The brand is forever damaged. Sell while you can.
I feel bad for Nikola Tesla having his name associated with all this nonsense. Not even death let him escape from rich assholes taking credit for the work of others.
if Nikola Tesla weren’t a eugenicist i’d agree with you
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Imagine disregarding the entire domain of Tesla’s work - changing the entire world as we know it with his research and innovations - and the comment they need to make for online points is some virtue-oriented pat-me-on-the-back-im-ethical blorp about random social norms of the time. lol but cry.
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I think he was just intuitively good at seeing what exactly is the portrayal of electricity and magnetism. A unique genius with a certain insight.
I sometimes feel that there were many businesses concerns that grew around his early research and they were so successful that his newer research must have been a threat to that.
Through all the mystery, half-truths, and frankly magical thinking people have with this man, it’s really hard to know what he was up to in his final days of work, before he became a homeless bag-man. I somehow feel, without making any kind of declarative statement, that he was working on transmission of energy with longitudinal (vs transverse) waves, and discovering methods of conveying and extracting electrical potential from and through Earth.
Inline Edit: To expand on the above paragraph: The Earth doesn’t really “absorb” electrons like a pillow absorbing a ping pong ball. The energy in the negative charges that the Earth grounds must move in waves, therefore they’re grounded but now the waves are bouncing around in the Earth; that energy still exists and may sum with other waves in an additive way. I believe, again without making a declarative statement, that Tesla recognized this and was pioneering research on how to transmit energy via, and gather momentum from those waves. There were successes transmitting energy and encoded information through Earth which can be repeated today with garbage dump salvage electronics. I believe he was discovering a few dangerous things as well: Harmonic discharges of electrical devices to ground could be captured (think telecommunications and military); and he was conducting novel elemental research on tapping Earth to harmonize and extract force(s) - what these things portended led to his complete scientific alienation.
The word “free energy” always obliterates any form of rational discourse. But there was something to it in a way, but to clarify, not in a literal way. Not in the sense of violating fundamental laws of conservation, rather seeing the “other side of the coin” that if the Earth is effectively infinite Ground then it’s also effectively an “infinite” source of power if harvested.
I’ve never really “researched” the man directly but what I do know comes from quite a bit of my casual STEM self-study over decades.
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The year 2100 will see eugenics universally established. In past ages, the law governing the survival of the fittest roughly weeded out the less desirable strains. Then man’s new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. As a result, we continue to keep alive and to breed the unfit. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct. Several European countries and a number of states of the American Union sterilize the criminal and the insane. This is not sufficient. The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal.
Oof, that’s a tough read.
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Eh, I don’t buy this. There were always dissenters and weirdos and people knew differently. There were trans pioneers. There were vegans. There were abolitionists. Not everyone was like that.
Tesla wasn’t a biologist, let’s leave it at that. Humanity’s greatest biological strength is their adaptability, which requires variety. Eugenicism is inherently disadvantageous to humanity because it reduces their ability to adapt and respond to environmental threats. A counter to that would be E.O. Wilson, see Half Earth, a short read that emphasizes biodiversity.
Eugenics only makes sense to cowardly people who are afraid of being treated how they would treat others. It’s a bad idea to Cavendish Banana Hapsberg people (oh and btw eugenics is deeply tied to incest kinks, see Elon and Trump).
Again, this is thinking that is pretty intuitive if you aren’t bloodthirsty and pathetic
I have read a number of comments from people with illnesses or other issues that are genetic, saying they don’t want to pass their problems onto the next generation.
So, bizarrely enough, there is a certain amount of eugenics happening, it’s just purely voluntary.
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No sympathy.
Fuck every Tesla owner. Unironically, they knew what they bought.
Downvotes coming from Telsa owners who have buyer’s remose for giving a Nazi money, i assume.
Only now the chickens are coming home to roost and they wanna get out, not before though. When Elons stock was up they were happy to have the car.
This is why we see vandalism as well on these
“The working class folk who can easily afford luxury cars, you’re just mad they got a Tesla and not a Lambo.”
If I had the money for a Tesla I’d be better off in general.
Boo hoo, don’t care. Hope they all lose their asses.
especially the assholes that slap “I bought it before we knew Elon was an ass” style stickers on their cars.
Musk has always been a miserable piece of shit. You just turned a blind eye to it because you wanted to hero worship a emotionally stunted perpetually 13 year old troglodyte, until you couldnt anymore.
So you’ve never done business with a company who’s CEO is an asshole? Never bought gas, used Windows, googled something, gotten on Facebook?
I knew full well this guy was an asshole. So is pretty much every CEO in America. You can’t opt out, you can only choose which asshole you want to do business with. The holier-than-thou bullshit because Musk is the asshole of the day helps no one. If you buy oil at all, you’re funding an industry that has lobbied governments around the world to buy more oil for literal generations, all while knowing the harm it was causing and the people it was killing and would kill.
It’s cool that you’ve picked the Nazi you hate over the ones that had the good sense to stay home, but it’s childish at best to think that makes you a better person.
Thats some serious “you say we should improve society? yet you participate in society, Curious!” energy in that post right there.
It really is, I suspect the people replying to you own Teslas and are trying to go “N-no I gave money to him and I never knew he was an asshole for 30 years!”
look at the other reply from psi, trying to paint tesla owners as part of us poor workin class folk.
Its fuckin nuttier than squirrel turds.
And they claim we’re the idiots when we can see the history and facts and have memories longer than a gold fish.
its infuriating being a person who remembers history in the world of social media where people make up history on the spot to justify and protect themselves.
Nah, quite the opposite. My point is that we have to live in the society we’re in. You want to label one billionaire asshole as worse than the others just so you can feel smugly superior to people who are, for the most part, more leftist than the average and in the same working class bucket you presumably are. It doesn’t help anyone.
Shit on Musk, shit on Tesla. They deserve it. Don’t shit on the people who should be your allies. It’s counter productive.
Teslas are for the poor blue collar workin class folk, huh?
Is that what you want to think of yourself as?
The best selling car in America last I checked was the Ford F-150, which costs slightly more than a Tesla Model 3. By your math, people who can afford a car payment are rich?
What I’m trying to get you to understand is that the people you started this thread wishing harm to are mostly not millionaires, they’re people who are one layoff or one medical bill away from the abyss, just like most people in America. Your hate for Musk makes perfect sense, and he HAS been obviously an asshole for a long time, and the hero worship he got early on IS and always was stupid as hell. But people catching strays in this fight just because they bought a car doesn’t make any sense.
If you’re going to run everyone through a purity test based on who gets their money, it only makes sense that you should hate on every truck owner too for buying more gas than they need, hate on every Facebook user for making Zuckerberg rich, hate on every person who shops at Walmart for helping destroy retail. Basically, if your test of a good person is “have they ever spent money that went to a billionaire who’s destroying the world” then you haven’t got an ally in the world.
I also remember the hero worship in 2015-20ish, even when projects like Hyperloop and countless others were a well known scam. I worked in top tech and their product team worshipped him, they hated me after I tried expressing skepticism. These people probably think he’s nuts in 2025, but also say “that wasn’t a Nazi salute, stop overreacting”.
He has always been a con artist, I don’t know why people act like “Oh how did you know Musk was a bad guy in 2015? Impossible!”
Yep.
Even going all the way back to paypal, Musk has been a piece of shit. a very obvious, public piece of shit.
Fanboys are in a panic and trying to change history and their blind support of him thanks to the nazism coming out full bore in a way that cant be dismissed/handwaved/excused
What if everyone would transfer their PayPal credit to a regular bank account on the same day? Would that bring Paypal value down?
hard to estimate, but probably not. I think what makes such companies go down is when the investors fear their money might be lost. that is, when the company is not worth much compared to their invested money.
So only, when the user count is dropping, that would be the case for paypal.
Everytime I see our local cyber truck I hope someone vandalizes it.
I have sticker paper and a printer. Idk how I have resisted the urge…
What are your thoughts on doing a Nazi salute when seeing a cybertruck? Is it okay because we are mocking them? Or is it just never okay to do a Nazi salute?
don’t do a nazi salute, you’ll just end up making it socially acceptable. Middle finger instead.
🖕🛞📐🛞
Definitely do not. Might be a show of support.
While it’s nice to protest outside of the Tesla dealership, people should be protesting outside of US embassies, and while they are at it, protest outside of the Chinese and Russian embassies too. Block them in.
Trump and musk couldn’t care less about protests outside embassies.
The Tesla protests are hurting musk.
People are doing. But embassies tend to be in capital cities but Tesla dealerships are everywhere.
spacex and starlink need to be the next to go.
Carvana bought mine at a decent price. I imagine the coming glut will have them refusing to buy Teslas outright. Other enraged Tesla owners should unload theirs asap.
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Not everyone is the position to sell their car, especially at huge finacial loss. So they buy the stupid sticker to make them selves feel a little better.
Many bought the thing 5+ years ago when Tesla was basically the only electric with a real charging network and in a time before Musk went from eccentric billionaire to an out-of-the-closet Nazi.
Now anyone buying one new today, that’s a different story (Which makes it harder to sell the damn thing).
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In 2012 a Ford Focus full Electric was almost $40,000 MSRP with a probable markup at just about any dealer in the country. The only thing that makes that kind of investment affordable is the tax break. The Tesla model 3 (in comparison) was around $25,000 MSRP in 2019. With a 3 year auto loan at 5-6% interest that cost is $31,760.50. The electric focus would have cost $49,305.44 for the same loan term and interest rate.
And they can’t even sell these vehicles for bluebook value (assuming that the vehicle is paid off and they aren’t upside down on the loan for say a loan term of 5 or 7 years).
A Mach e? Almost $39,000 MSRP. Chevy Bolt? $27,500 MSRP. Hyundai Ioniq? Almost $40,000 MSRP. Nissan Leaf is just over $29,000.
There aren’t that many cars that are good financial decisions to be made in a market with so few options where range and ability to charge are majorly important to what you buy.
Toyota’s Mirai isn’t even top rated and it starts at $52,000. So yes. Huge financial loss, and Tesla’s aren’t that expensive when compared to other brands (the cybercuck not included).
Why the fuck are you defending this shit?
Also I am tired of hearing about how Musk only recently went insane, dude has been off the rails for as long as I can remember.
Eccentric billionaire? My ass dude, he was an asshole and insane always for anyone paying at least a little bit of attention.
It just finally caught up to him and now everyone wants to cry wolf that has been supporting him? Fuck off.
I didn’t think they were defending it. The reality is some people live in a bubble and don’t pay close attention to the media, and switching cars is not exactly an easy thing to do without getting fucked over.
Many people are upside down on their car note, and when you trade in with negative equity on a car loan, that negative equity gets added to the new loan balance. It’s kind of a big deal for the average person.
Switching cars isnt easy but buying an expensive one made by a madman is?
Many bought the thing 5+ years ago when Tesla was basically the only electric with a real charging network…
Until relatively recently, if you were an American who wanted to buy an electric car and wanted to guarantee you wouldn’t be stranded somewhere with a dead battery, Tesla was literally the only option.
I had all of those things and didnt buy one as many others. Crazy that when you buy a car from a nazi lunatic things dont work out
With as strong and emotional you seem to feel about this topic, I sincerely hope you have never used an iPhone, used Facebook, bought a product off Amazon, taken an Uber ride, or consumed any Nestle products.
If you’ve eaten a single hot pocket, you have no ground to stand on here.
I love that comic, but it’s unfortunately not applicable to this conversation. If anything, it’s more applicable in response to @MellowYellow13.
This person is clearly being overly reactive to the situation and isn’t listening to reason. By all means, don’t buy a Tesla in the year of our lord 2025, but if you bought one in like 2019, that’s kind of irrelevant. Those people shouldn’t be punished for what they saw as an innocuous purchase at the time. To tell people they just straight up need to sell their car is asinine.
I’m not saying “omg you participate in society, you’re just as bad”, moreso pointing out how absolutely ridiculous @MellowYellow13 's platform here is. Things that have already been done are irrelevant, let’s look to the future to improve things, no? If you’ve bought a Tesla in the past, it does not matter, just as if you’ve bought an iPhone, used Facebook, etc.
You completely missed my message.
What are you talking about? Most Tesla owners are progressives. This whole thing is a gut punch to Tesla owners.
I do not have a problem with people owning Teslas sold before 2020 or so. Even buying an older one used is no big deal in my opinion. If you buy a 2021 Tesla today, none of that money goes to Musk. You are not agreeing with him. You are not propping him up.
For its part, Tesla has been trying to boost its image with the help of President Trump. On Monday, the president took to the South Lawn of the White House to promote Tesla’s cars, apparently buying one despite having campaigned on an explicitly anti-electric vehicle platform.
Somehow, I don’t think MAGA cult will buy electric vehicles in quantities needed to offset even a fraction of people who used to buy Tesla.
Imagine the CEO of Browning or American Rifles helping Joe Biden pick out a new gun from a display in the state dining room.
The difference is Biden is a gun owner. So at least it would be buying a product he actually has. There has been incidents referencing him and his wife having at least a shotgun (so 2+ guns)
With Trump hating on electric cars like he had for so long, and not knowing how to drive, it’s a bit different.
everything’s computer
Old rich guy like Biden probably has loads of nice, quality, antique guns.
Many families don’t throw away guns, they pass them down. So antiques are a plenty as well. Being that his dad was born in 1915, it’s very likely they have guns from before WW1 around.
Half of them are broke as fuck and the other half are heavily invested in oil company stocks. Elon made a poor choice of allegiance.
A portion also associate EVs and their ilk with environmentalists, and would probably not buy one even if their very lives depended on it.
They’re trying the “buy EVs to own the libs” angle. It’s a bold strategy, Cotton….
That would be good for the EV conversion market. Since they use a lot of Tesla motors and battery packs.
I shamefully admit I almost pulled the trigger on a Tesla Model S Plaid back in 2021 or 2022. Flush with a shit ton of cash, but fortunately I was reading reports of production build quality issues, many recalls, and ultimately pulled back my deposit.
Looking back at it. The one decision I have no regrets on.
That’s the part I never understood. Even if you weren’t a Musk fan boy and before Musk showed his true colors, Telsa has always, ALWAYS been shit quality. I remember back in 2015, or so, there was a video of someone finally getting their Telsa and it had a massive crack running the length of the driver side A-pillar, yet they just ignored it.
I’ll have to be honest and admit back when I was in high school or so, I was enthusiastic about electric cars and his seemed like some of the best. He was also opening up the charging standards so that there could be a mixed playing field. Back then, I was likely ready to dismiss small critiques as the retaliation of the fossil fuel industry.
God I hate old me.
Tesla was a long way ahead of the competition for a very long time, to the point where they were the only option for a vehicle that was genuinely a replacement for a combustion vehicle.
Without them, I very much doubt EV market share would be anywhere near what it is today.
Don’t know about that. Leaf has been pretty important as well.
Even now, the Leaf only goes 200 miles. Less than a 2018 Model 3. Not good enough.
I agree, Tesla was the viable option fora long time. The charging network is part of that even still.
The NACS connector is a big deal.
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Who will service those when Tesla goes out of business? Where will you get parts? Yeah, it’s time to jump ship
You can still get aftermarket parts for Pontiac vehicles. Then again Pontiac didn’t go around suing everyone who even thought about making aftermarket parts for their vehicles.
There are already aftermarket batteries. The biggest problem would be autobody panels.
That said, while I hope Tesla stock continues to crash, not much chance of them going out of business.
For its part, Tesla has been trying to boost its image with the help of President Trump.
Yeah, that’s part of the problem, Elon.
Elon out here thinking Twitter bots are real people. Too much ketamine.
