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    I still want to get into coding the OG manual way (because I enjoy pain and disappointment apparently) but now it seems like a waste of time since vibe coders and 13 year olds already are lightyears ahead of me. Also I have no reason to learn it, all apps are already built xD

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      all apps are already built

      Couldn’t be further from the truth. You also have to consider competition.

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        Can’t think of anything that could serve a major need right now, but I absolutely identified things in my life where I could use a preexisting tool to accomplish my goal, but it’s much less hassle for me to use the one I made for myself. You don’t have to transform the world, sometimes you can help yourself with a minor inconvenience and then put it out there for anyone who might find themselves with the same inconvenience.

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      I’m in the same boat. I used to be an amateur front and back end web developer. Almost made a text based RPG in middle school. I had to stop when shit got crazy in high school and college, but I don’t feel like any programming is worth my time right now. I’m focusing on gardening and maybe some cooking. You know, human activities that we can still enjoy.

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        Yeahh exactly. AI has pretty much ruined computer based fun now. Which in some ways is good, we should all learn physical hobbies again and not be reliant on tech. I still enjoy my hobby desktop computers though, I just enjoy learning how it really works under the surface.

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    I can’t remember some syntax unless I do it at least 100 times. I often look up stuff that I have already done before and know because of my goldfish memory.

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      The majority of “programmers in the past” should be women actually, but our meme formats are still too patriarchal to express that in 2025.

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        The moon landing by hand wouldn’t have been as funny without the over the top body builders first.

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        Depends how far you go back. The top half is pretty representative of the professional dev team I was in in 1992.

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        We need to bring back 2010-2012 rage comic memes. All we needed was a badly cut-out blonde wig to trans Derp’s gender.

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        “Creates a whole game in assembly” is probably referring to roller coaster tycoon, which was written by a man. (lots of other games were written in asm, like many NES games, but I’d wager RCT was what they were alluding to)

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          That was my immediate thought. There were many that came before RCT, but it has the distinction of being (possibly) one of the last in an industry that had already moved on to higher-level languages to do merely half as much.

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        No, I don’t think so. It’s true that many of the earliest programmers were female, but there were very few of them, and that was a long time ago.

        In a way, Ada Lovelace was the first programmer, but she never even touched a computer. The first programmers who did anything similar to today’s programming were from Grace Hopper’s era in the 1950s.

        In the late 1960s there were a lot of women working in computer programming relative to the size of the field, but the field was still tiny, only tens of thousands globally. By the 1970s it was already a majority male profession so the number of women was already down to only about 22.5%.

        That means that for 50 years, a time when the number of programmers increased by orders of magnitude, the programmers were mostly male.

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        “too patriarchal” no one was thinking of “furthering the goals of the patriarchy” or whatever your delusions tell you.

        It’s just people making memes, and most people who make memes who are guys will make memes with guys in them, because they identify with them the most.

        Your brain dead take is pure cancer.

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          I agree with you: I never intended to imply explicit anti-diversity intentions or even awareness of the biases embedded in our culture.

          Implicit bias refers to the attitudes or stereotypes that affect our understanding, actions, and decisions in an unconscious manner. Implicit biases are activated involuntarily, unconsciously, and without one’s awareness or intentional control (see, e.g., Greenwald & Krieger, 2006; Kang, et al., 2012; Nier, 2005; Rudman, 2004a)

          Source

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            The large initial percentage of female coders was due to computer having been a female job, because secretary was. Their role within companies didn’t change, what changed is that they were using machines to do the computing instead of doing it by hand.

            We’re kinda lucky to have the woke trifecta (Ada, Grace, Alan) (first programmer (woman), inventor of compilers (woman), absolute unit (gay)) to keep the chuds at bay. Even if we weren’t all socially inept nerds (or pretending to be so to bosses) there’s only so much you can do, culturally, if the population is growing exponentially. Uncle Bob (yes I know he’s a chud) did the maths at some point IIRC it was something like the number of programmers doubling every two years. Which also means that at any one point in time roughly 2/3rds of programmers have no idea what they’re doing, which explains the javascript ecosystem.

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                At first I thought this was the Wicked Witch of the West’s actress and thought she must have been multitalented. Then I looked it up to verify. Nope, same name, different women.

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                  If you want famous actresses who contributed to technology, you want Hedy Lamarr:

                  At the beginning of World War II, along with George Antheil, Lamarr co-invented a radio guidance system for Allied torpedoes that used spread spectrum and frequency hopping technology to defeat the threat of radio jamming by the Axis powers.

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          Dude. Chill. Ain’t nobody giving a shit about your take on someone else’s take.

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    Hey now. Searching stack overflow circia 2011 to 2018 was an Art. You had to know enough to find the correct question that wasn’t deleted because a mod thought it was a duplicate of another question

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      After a while you got know which stack overflow questions were a waste of time, and you used that knowledge for years.

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      Also to find the actual correct answer three comments down because the one that was voted highest worked, but was actually a really shit way to do the thing being asked

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      Before that you had to hang out on flipside or other gamedev sites and show your worthiness before begging for information.

      I was so proud when they shared the DS hack (basically a homebrew SDK made by trial and error by some people) so that I could make small games on it.

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      I swore up & down that I’d learn at least two ways of exiting VIM. I even went through basic training to learn all the shortcuts, but it interfered with my regular workflow, so I dropped it “for a bit”. It’s been a year and I can’t remember a damn thing.

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    Hey buddy, if I fix one bug and cause three more, it’s called job security. Where’s my medal?

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    Honestly, CSS is a fucking joke and it’s solely to blame for why centering something isn’t always straightforward.

    By the way, this picture is a crock of shit for people who aren’t programmers. Anyone who is a programmer will not take it seriously because programming is so much more about helping others instead of shaming them.

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      Stackoverflow: exists solely from the urge of developers to help developers, and since ExpertsExchange was paid dogshit.
      This meme: pisses on its whole purpose.

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        Everybody complaining about css like “but it doesn’t do what I want if to do without me investing a minute into why”.

        Ironically, it’s oh so often the RTFM crowd.

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    I once had an intern attempt to install sudo using NPM and when that didn’t work he asked ChatGPT “Why can’t I install sudo from NPM?” while I’m trying to explain it to him.

    He was smart, but somehow knew very little about commercial computers despite being on the verge of getting his master’s in computer science.

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    I know someone that still uses ed for all their code editing.