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Personally I think the traffic on the GWB has gotten a lot worse, which makes going to LaGuardia for instance quite a bit more difficult but I can’t deny everything else has gotten better. Wish public transport was better too but I’m hoping that’ll come with time.
Everything being better is incredible. Shame the idea took so long to cross the Atlantic BUT maybe it’ll work its way across the states for big cities.
Not only is everything better it happened so fast. Hopefully it starts spreading elsewhere
It’s ridiculous how it has improved literally everything.
Like I’m a hardcore fuck cars person. I mean I used to mod that subreddit until the blackouts, I helped popularise the fuck cars movement, and even I didn’t expect this to be such a success.
I mean I used to mod that subreddit until the blackouts, I helped popularise the fuck cars movement
Neat! Got any tips?
14% fewer injuries in the zone and 45% fewer noise complaints is kinda wild
Noise complains?
Like I get that people call in to complain about a neighbor who is playing loud music. Do people call in to complain about someone honking as they pass your apartment too? Why? How could that do any good?
Dunno about NYC but I complain about traffic noise in the surveys that my city sends on occasion.
Ah, surveys make more sense than calling the cops to report noise. Thanks.
Maybe of they get enough complaints, they’ll improve the streets?
Like sound dampening asphalt (for tyre noise).
Pretty much everything is better except public opinion.
Makes sense! Lol
It seems popular among the people I know. The only people complaining are rich folk coming in from NJ or the Hamptons
I had heard it was popular outside of car commuters from outside the city, have you seen reports otherwise?
It’s extremely popular with literally every person except for the ones actually paying the toll.
And even half of those can recognize the net positives.
The article that we’re commenting under said:
Public opinion: Not great, but improving
Yeah, most people in NYC dont have cars.
The problem isnt the majority opinion. The problem is that rich powerful people have more say in decisions than the majority
Trams (aka Streetcars) are still better longterm solutions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNTg9EX7MLw
I really don’t like how, whenever there is an article on something that works, people feel the need to post whatever solution they prefer and say it’s better.
This project had 2 goals - reduce pollution and raise revenue for transit upgrades. It succeeded. Better than a tram would have on it’s own, I might add.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good, if you want to share that video so much, just post it, instead of linking it with that downer of a comment.
Also, this is new york city. They famously have a major subway. I hear it could use expanded, but trams are going to have to explain why it’s better to have a third public transit option rather than just busses and subway expansion
You don’t have to wait 30 minutes underground without signal in a train car with a BO problem, for one
I really don’t like how, whenever there is an article on something that works, people feel the need to post whatever solution they prefer and say it’s better.
Agreed. What a silly reply.
This is a wildly successful change in a city that really, really needs solutions to several problems related to cars. The peanut gallery needs to shut their pie hole and absorb the article.
Indeed! One of the things this could even do is provide funding for trams if the transit authority funds that to be the correct use of the money.
- I think the congestion pricing zone is a step towards making the core of manhattan a car-free zone.
- Jason (NJB) already says in that video that some trams are often a precursor for larger-capacity metros. Ridership volumes across the city are beyond what trams can effectively provide. Much of Manhattan already is crisscrossed with metros galore, but need funding to keep it in a good state-of-repair and maximize service capacity and uptime.
He also says that trams serve a different role than metros, and treating trams as immature subways is a bad thing. Trams can have incredibly high throughput if run frequently.
Everything needs funding, but as roads are incredibly expensive to maintain. Replacing cars with transit is less expensive for the city in the longterm.
Why would trams have higher throughput than subways?
They have significantly higher throughput than a car lane of the same size. That’s the comparison that really matters.
Subways and trams fill different niches. That’s kind of a core point of this. Trams compete with cars for space at street level, while subways do not.
What? Subways definitely compete with cars.
Surface roads should all just be converted to pedestrian paths or bicycle-only roads
I see no need for trams
Options are good. Your vision lacks wisdom.
Please read full sentences before responding.
Also watch the not just bikes video we were discussing. It explains all of this pretty well.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. The goal of congestion pricing is to get money flowing back into transit and at the same time allow transit to become more efficient (ie. stuck less behind cars)
With the increase in revenue this allows upgrades of existing infrastructure and transit routes, and with left over money for future expansion.
Ultimately like you said, maybe leading to potentially above ground streetcars at somepoint.
We need both tbh. Congestion pricing directly leads to increased funding for the transit authority to build out new infrastructure like trams
