The DNC cited a procedural concern, but Hogg said it is “impossible to ignore the broader context” of his criticisms.

The DNC cited a procedural concern, but Hogg said it is “impossible to ignore the broader context” of his criticisms.

  • conditional_soup@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    Jenkins, did you hear that young master Hogg expects us to actually help the Plebs?! Egads, didn’t anyone explain to him that that’s a bit? Jenkins, I need you to get in the private jet and pay Schumer a visit-- no, Jenkins, thirty minutes is much too far to drive-- and also pass along this stock tip. We need to catch this Hogg before the Plebs start getting ideas, like expecting us to work, ha ha.

  • btaf45@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    [Indeed, Hogg’s PAC, Leaders We Deserve, recently announced an initiative to fund young primary challengers in Democratic races.]

    Hey that is pretty cool. We need lots more people like Hogg and AOC and Sanders.

  • BrikoX@lemmy.zipOPEnglish
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    2 months ago

    This whole situation is best summed up by this. If they were putting this much effort into fighting for the actual working class issues they would have won the previous election… Make of that what you will.

  • Ileftreddit@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I admire Hogg for trying to change things from the inside, as it were, but the DNC is definitely complicit in our current slide into authoritarianism. Until they wake up and embrace the progressive movement championed by Bernie and AOC, I have little hope for the mainstream democratic party

  • FriendBesto@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    Clearer Reason as to the main issue:

    David Hogg Into the Spotlight

    Into these discussions has stormed the 25-year-old Hogg, who has positioned himself as the man capable of steering the Democrats back on course using lessons learned from their recent losses.

    Hogg has criticized his own party for what he views as an alienating stance toward men, and cited the perceived obsession with cultural issues as a major factor in the Republicans’ 2024 victories.

    “What I think happened last election is younger men—they would rather vote for somebody who they don’t completely agree with, they don’t feel judged by, than somebody who they do agree with, that they feel like they have to walk on eggshells around,” Hogg said during a recent appearance on Real Time with Bill Maher.

    Hogg was again thrust into the center of this internal debate after his election to vice chair was deemed to have violated DNC bylaws which encourage gender parity among the party leadership. DNC member Kalyn Free, who lost to Hogg in February and brought the challenge against his victory, said that the committee improperly tallied votes and failed “to distinguish between gender categories in a meaningful way.” In doing so, she argued, it “violated its own charter and bylaws, undermining both fairness and gender diversity.”

    To some, this seemed like irony—the party voiding Hogg’s election based on gender-based requirements, after he had criticized it for an overt focus on gender issues. To Hogg it also sniffed of retribution for his wider attempt to recalibrate the Democrats’ focus and party makeup.

    Source: https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-dnc-election-david-hogg-2072004

  • 7empest@beehaw.org
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    2 months ago

    Trump is on a mission to crash our economy, disappear people without due process, and participate in flagrant public corruption — and voters still trust him more than Democrats,” Hogg said in his statement. “That is a massive indictment of our party.”

    Thats a damning statement

    • conditional_soup@lemm.ee
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      2 months ago

      He’s right. There’s no two ways about it, and I think it’s nuts that you’ve got DNC enjoyers out here basically being like “okay, but you’re being stupid, I swear if we just ran Hillary/Biden ticket in '28 and campaigned on only some tax cuts for billionaires and only partial suspension of Habeus Corpus, we’d win”

  • I Cast Fist@programming.dev
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    2 months ago

    I guess the C in DNC stands for Corporation. The corporation doesn’t like when underlings call them out on their bullshit

  • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    As a result of a challenge from Kalyn Free, a losing candidate in the election, the committee decided that the election was not conducted properly and that it violated the DNC’s gender parity rules. If the full body of the DNC rules the same way, it will force Hogg and fellow Vice Chair Malcolm Kenyatta to run for election again later this year.

    Sounds fair to me. If he wanted people to support him unconditionally then he wouldn’t be running spoiler candidates against his own party.

    I understand a lot of people don’t think the DNC is good enough. But they don’t seem to know how good the DNC is in general or even how much better it is than the alternative.

    • MisanthropiCynic@lemm.eeEnglish
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      2 months ago

      The alternative would be to drop the DLC and parties altogether, which is what should happen.

      Partisan politics should not be allowed in the first place

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Sounds fair to me.

      Anything that keeps the conservative corporate pro-genocide gerontocracy running the party “sounds fair” to you.

      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        In the past decade we haven’t once given the DNC more than 50 seats. If we had given them 60 we would have public option expanded healthcare, we would be taxing the rich, citizens united wouldn’t still exist and all this talk of megarich donors would go away, and men and women would have full body autonomy and reproductive organ control as enshrined rights.

        Instead, the alternative is getting fucked by Republicans at every turn and complaining that none of the DNC platform has been achievable even though we gave them 44 fucking seats and a Bernie Sanders.

  • BigMacHole@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    If they KEEP Hogg then they MIGHT have to Try a New Plan BESIDES Letting Americans Suffer Under Trump with LITERALLY NO PUSHBACK WHATSOEVER!

    • TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee
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      2 months ago

      We can’t stand up to Trump, but we can stand up to this kid telling us to do our jobs.

      There needs to be an age and income bracket limit for people in government service, these rich geriatric fucks are going to get us all killed.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        We can’t stand up to Trump, but we can stand up to this kid telling us to do our jobs.

        Elder liberals telling younger voters/activists to STFU and get in line, then blaming them when turnout sags and conservative democrats lose purple seats, is the tragedy of the modern era.

      • conditional_soup@lemm.ee
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        2 months ago

        We can’t stand up to Trump, but we can stand up to this kid telling us to do our jobs.

        Holy shit, yes! I’d take it a step further and say “we can’t stand up to Trump, but we can stand up to anyone pushing us to be an actual opposition”. Ten democrats joined the republicans in voting to censure Al Green for having the absolute audacity to yell at the guy shredding the constitution instead of sitting quietly until leaving quietly while wearing a #resist shirt.

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Well, democrats can change the latter.

        I suppose they tried to change the former by trying to appeal to fascists.

    • I Cast Fist@programming.dev
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      2 months ago

      Certainly one of the reasons, but I don’t think it’s the primary one. 'Murica having so many places with a culture that can be summed up as “extremely individualistic and patriotic xenophobes” is what I’d blame first.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    They’re not “ousting” anyone, and the process was put into motion months ago before he made any comments about primary challenges.

    You can literally just ask the other guy effected by this.

    What had happened was the prior DNC didn’t follow its own election rules for the vice chair races. Imone of the candidates who lost challenged it, and a committee ruled that the fair way to handle it was redo the election, but this time follow the rules.

    The DNC chair is encouraging both the winners, and anyone else who wants to run, to run.

    Like, if you know what’s happening, there’s not a better way to clean up the mistakes of the last DNC chair.

    But the reason the media wants people to hate the DNC, is the people who own the media don’t own the DNC anymore

  • Bigfoot@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    Sure are a lot of no-avatar .world accounts in here advocating against uniting against Trump and the GOP 🤔

    • keegomatic@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      I suspect a lot of people don’t use avatars because they aren’t even visible on the app they use to access Lemmy. I don’t think Voyager has them on by default. Maybe I just turned them off a long time ago. Regardless, I don’t think a lack of avatar signals what you think it signals.

    • Crikeste@lemm.ee
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      2 months ago

      With all the zionists and people using the word ‘tankie’, I think it’s safe to say Reddit has fully compromised Lemmy

    • MisanthropiCynic@lemm.eeEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Because that supposes there are only two sides and there must be a winner and a loser. Partisanship is what separates it all and the DNC supporting Hillary is what got trump elected in the first place.

      Trump has been a Democrat my entire life. He is just an old rich white man which most associate with the GOP. Because all politicians are corrupt and part of the same evil system

    • Rivalarrival@lemmy.todayEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Hogg is just another of the shitbags.

      Yes, he wants to rid the party of useless incumbents, but he’s not trying to get rid of the architects of Democratic failure. He’s trying to replace a select few useless old incumbents with young corporate centrists. He wants us to conflate “young” with “progressive”, while he runs Baby Hillary and Nancy Junior.

      The entire DNC - including Hodd - needs to be flushed

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        If Hogg were attempting to further entrench centrist hegemony, party leadership wouldn’t be opposing him.

        • Rivalarrival@lemmy.todayEnglish
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          2 months ago

          The relationship of Hogg to the rest of the DNC is the relationship between Sprite and Starry, while the American public are asking for single malt scotch.

        • Rivalarrival@lemmy.todayEnglish
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          2 months ago

          He’s positioned as the oligarch’s choice for succession. He was groomed for politics by corporate centrists because he’s got a compelling backstory.

          The party leadership opposes him because they see he is going to replace them rather than support them. He’s just another part of the problem.

              • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                2 months ago

                This is a new discovery for people who don’t want to primary centrists. Imagine that. Insults aren’t an acceptable replacement for having actual arguments? Centrists didn’t seem to think so when they spent a whole ass year screaming abuse at anyone who didn’t love their fucking genocide.

              • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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                2 months ago

                I’m not just insulting them. I’m making it clear that the premise of their argument sounds legitimately bonkers to a person that considers themselves a staunch progressive.

                • njm1314@lemmy.world
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                  2 months ago

                  Then articulate that. Because frankly when someone makes a claim like that and all you can respond is with insults it makes me think maybe they’re right. So at this point you have less credibility than that guy does.

                  On a personal level I’m curious what your arguments would be because I don’t frankly know what to make of David Hogg. Other than his stance on gun control, which do not endear me to him, he seems a little bit vague to me.

          • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 months ago

            He’s positioned as the oligarch’s choice for succession. He was groomed for politics by corporate centrists because he’s got a compelling backstory.

            And now that he’s pulling a reverse Fetterman, you hate him. Centrists thought they were getting yet another corporate turd like they wanted, but he turned out to actually want to fix things they like broken.

                • Rivalarrival@lemmy.todayEnglish
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                  2 months ago

                  If everyone likes cola, why are the Pepsi fans trying to get rid of Coke?

                  Coke is, indeed, better than Pepsi, but we’re asking for Johnny Black.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      People will never learn if they can’t make it to the second paragraph:

      As a result of a challenge from Kalyn Free, a losing candidate in the election, the committee decided that the election was not conducted properly and that it violated the DNC’s gender parity rules. If the full body of the DNC rules the same way, it will force Hogg and fellow Vice Chair Malcolm Kenyatta to run for election again later this year.

      The old DNC ran a ahitty vice election that broke its own rules.

      The current DNC decided via comitte the best way to handle it was to redo the vote. Which is not a big deal for the DNC.

      Like, what would you prefer the current DNC do in this scenario?

      • njm1314@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        I mean it’s clearly just a pretext. We don’t have to pretend to believe their bullshit reasoning.

        • Mister_Hangman@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          Bro the Dallas Mavs had a 1.8% chance to win the draft last night.

          1.8%.

          I’d cut my own dick off if it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the draft wasn’t fixed in some way.

          Same smell of bullshit here.

      • Tinidril@midwest.socialEnglish
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        2 months ago

        It’s a matter of interpretation as to whether any rules were actually broken. The DNC has four VPs, two are women and two are men. Given the current controversy and the current crisis of confidence in Democratic leadership, the damage this will do to both the party and public opinion of DEI policies should be weighed against whatever “damage” this procedural issue allegedly did.

        The fact that this issue started moving months ago is irrelevant. The decision is being made now, and nobody with a brain is going to believe that this isn’t being done, at least in part, to protect useless incumbents that don’t belong in the Democratic party.

      • Raltoid@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        It might be technically valid, but it’s literally just an excuse to get rid of him.

        Ken Martin(DNC chair) has been whining about Hogg for a while. Being real upset that he’s trying to oust incumbents who refuse to do anything.

        https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2026-election/david-hogg-disrupts-democratic-party-rcna202202

        And he doubled down a few days ago: Giving Hogg an ultimatum to take a “neutrality pledge” or step down.

        https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/10/hogg-dnc-chair-ultimatum-00340272

        Hogg refused, so now they’re pulling this one out.

        • btaf45@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Being real upset that he’s trying to oust incumbents who refuse to do anything.

          What you are saying sounds bad. But when I read your actual link, it does not sound bad at all.

          https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2026-election/david-hogg-disrupts-democratic-party-rcna202202

          [“Let me be unequivocal: No DNC officer should ever attempt to influence the outcome of a primary election, whether on behalf of an incumbent or a challenger,” DNC Chair Ken Martin said on a media call. "Voters should decide who our primary nominees are, not DNC leadership.]

          I don’t like Ken Martin and I think Hogg is great, but what Martin is saying here are the precise words that every DNC chairman should be saying. I would not want Martin to change one single word of that statement.

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          It might be technically valid,

          It’s literally valid…

          The old DNC was outright corrupt if we’re being honest. Completely inept if we’re giving them the best plausible view.

          The vice chair election didn’t follow DNC rules, it’s like 450 people, redoing it isn’t a big deal.

          but it’s literally just an excuse to get rid of him

          This process was started almost immediately after the vice chair election, before Hogg had made any public comments as vice chair.

          What result would you prefer though?

          Do you want the results to stand even though it was a flawed primary ran by the same people who saved Hillary/Biden/Kamala down our throats the last 3 elections?

          The same people that abandoned Obama when he beat Hillary?

          You think that now that they’re finally out of power, we should get mad at the new leadership who literally hadn’t even won their elections yet when this shit was going on?

          Just please, tell me the better path than what the DNC is taking right now I’d love to hear it.

          • Tinidril@midwest.socialEnglish
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            2 months ago

            They can redo their little procedural vote. But, if Hogg doesn’t win, we will have our list of every member that thinks the DNC exists to serve it’s members and not the public. Every one of them should be tarred and feathered, and I’m not sure I mean that as a metaphor.

            • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
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              2 months ago

              Every one of them should be tarred and feathered, and I’m not sure I mean that as a metaphor.

              I’m personally going to be throwing a little party in my head every time one of them is arrested, thrown into concentration camps or executed by God King Trump.

          • Raltoid@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 months ago
            It might be technically valid,

            It’s literally valid…

            Based on your lack of reading comprehension from that alone, I’m literally not going to bother reading the rest of your comment. Since it’s either intentional and you’re a troll, or you do not understand basic english. There is no point try to argue the political game with either type in a written context without getting into essay territory.

            • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 months ago

              So …

              Rather than stick your fingers in your ears, you had to announce to everyone that you’re refusing to listen so we knew?

              If that’s not enough for you, you don’t like democracy.

              you want a trump party that you agree with

              Looks like I was right,

      • btaf45@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        democrats are controlled opposition

        So the people in control want to raise taxes on billionaires and/or corporations like the last 3 Dem presidents did? I don’t think so.

        • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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          2 months ago

          you have the numbers on it? i really doubt they really disturbed profits in a significant manner.

          and when they do they grant some government money to them. elon musk is a prime example but there are more.