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The Trump administration is preparing to cancel a large swath of federal funding for California, an effort that could begin as soon as Friday, according to multiple sources.
Agencies are being told to start identifying grants the administration can withhold from California. Sources said the administration is specifically considering a full termination of federal grant funding for the University of California and California State University systems.
Singling out one state for massive cuts would be an unusual move, but Donald Trump has long made Democratic-led California a target.
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No taxation without representation.
Oh they still get representation, they just get told no.
Then California should cancel sending money to the federal government.
California should secede
secession is a necessity.
these stupid fucks love pissing in the wind for all of us to see
go on then ya citrus scrotum, show us once more how brilliant and clever you are
Next: California will not pay Federal taxes?
If the federal government isn’t going to give California back the federal taxes paid by its citizens then it should stop paying federal taxes.
its a good thing i stopped paying federal taxes.
You will lose against the IRS. The only way this works is if everyone acts together. You cannot beat Uncle Sam alone.
Good though they cut finding to that, too, then.
i’m gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there. its been easy as hell to cheat on your taxes for a long time. extremely easy to invent stuff and end up owing 0. not as easy for them to actually check. especially not now.
First pretty dumb to say this publicly if true… But second: you do realize that the rules about paying taxes literally, only apply to people like you and I? They 100% will continue to go after low hanging fruit, and that means people who can’t afford a team of attorneys on retainer.
I wonder how one could do this.
Taxes are collected through the private for-profit banking system in a manner that’s completely disjointed from the state of residency. Payroll taxes are incredibly efficient, with north of a 98% collections rate, for this reason. The private banks need the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve needs the US Treasury. So when the US Treasury says it’s taking a vig on your employer’s deposit at Bank of America or Citigroup or even your local Credit Union, compliance is instant and unquestioning.
Going Unbanked is one way to get around this. But without an employer who is operating on the same wavelength and willing to play ball, unbanking yourself is difficult and expensive and fraught with criminal liabilities.
So, the short answer is that there’s no (practical) way for a State Government to intervene on Federal income tax collection. Not when all the transactions are taking place in a server farm hosted in a NYC boiler room, anyway.
There are other comments that already give practical ways to accomplish what you say is impossible.
Link?
The state of California could implement say, an 80% state income tax. This would be deductable from federal tax per IRS tax code. The state could then create an instant tax credit to credit back a gross 69% income, leaving 11% to the state to match their current tax rate.
The Feds would only get tax on 20% of wages, unlike the 89% they do now
It would only delay things. When you get a state tax refund, the next year it’s counted as federal wages.
Then you get something like the current SALT cap that cancels that out
Simply don’t do the thing.
Individuals don’t typically pay taxes themselves. They get deducted from paychecks. Employers do this before we even get paid. So companies would need to support this. But then you have some like my employer who has hundreds of people in California but is based in another state. How is that going to work? This just isn’t as easy as residents just deciding not to.
Is that functionally just seceeding?
I have NO clue what the legal ramifications are here. If it’s not, that would seem like a next step.
Please do, California. I want to visit again and I’m not looking to get sent to El Salvador on arrival lol
Taco Don doesn’t understand how anything works.
I’m going to be fucking shook if Gavin actually does it. So far, the only people I’ve seen him meaningfully stand up to are bay area NIMBYs and homeless people.
I don’t see how he could since individuals pay tax directly to the federal government during tax season. It would take all of them working in unison to do it. Unless there’s some other tax payment directly from CA state that I don’t know about.
millbrae made a fuss like a year-2 ago about some housing/location being built for the poor. guess who the nimbys are, all rich white people. Poc dont make a fuss with others around, i ever only seen caucasian people do it. remember the white flight in the bay, now its regentrifying.
Yeah. I’m out here fighting the NIMBYs in my city, they’re almost all older white dudes, not even that wealthy by California standards. It was super cool to see Newsom twist their arm like that, way less cool to see him bulldoze the homeless afterward.
I hope California secedes, for California’s sake
California should confiscate Trump National golf course.
And spend 30 years building high speed rail through it, just to flex.
Wind turbines
And another big ass canal, for good measure.
Finally a good use of eminent domain
Turn it into a homeless shelter.
The federal government has irrevocably been compromised, US states need to be able to leave it. Preferably like the UK left the EU, without a civil war. It’s only going to get worse, and reform is no longer possible, as too many branches have been compromised and midterms are likely to be compromised by Agent Kraskov and friends. As much as the Trump-Musk sideshow feud keeps going, it’s not doing much and is not likely to do much to stop Trump.
This is a test of the Union that formed after the Civil War. We should have scrubbed the Electoral College then and we should have forced the redistribution of land to the slaves. With federal forces providing local police protection. So the palm colored people couldn’t hurt them.
Unfortunately, Lincoln was murdered soon after the South surrendered, and Andrew Johnson, a drunken Confederate sympathizer took over as president, and led the post-war Reconstruction.
This is known. It’s just sad.
This is no longer a test, it is a reality. Too many branches of the federal government are corrupt, with legal exceptions to back them up. If a bridge is no longer just in need of severe maintenance but is in the process of crumbling, do you still call it and use it as a bridge? That’s the actual state of your Union right now. I don’t think seceding is realistically an option right now because it requires opposition that just isn’t there, but I don’t see any other realistic alternative. Look at LA, that’s falling directly into Trump’s hands by giving him emergency powers and control of the national guard, the only difference if a state attempts to secede is that it has more of a chance to use its institutions to resist. The excuse under a dictatorship is always doomed to be manufactured if not forced.
Viva Cascadia.
Is California secession still a thing?
I’m pretty sure Texas is the only “legal” state allowed to secede, but I’m not a lawyer and my info may be woefully out of date
No, Texas (nor any other state) can not secede from the Union.
https://www.sll.texas.gov/faqs/can-texas-secede
Can Texas secede? I heard it is one of the only states that can secede from the United States.
It is a common misunderstanding that Texas has the right to leave the United States. The Texas State Library and Archives Commission (TSLAC) addresses this on their page about Texas’s annexation:
It is said of Texas (and, occasionally, Vermont) that it received a letter or document of permission to withdraw from the Federal Union if it so chose. […] In fact, Texas received no special terms in its admission to the Union. Once Texas had agreed to join the Union, she never had the legal option of leaving, either before or after the Civil War.
I stand corrected
Texas can split itself up into 5 states, but not secede.
No state is allowed to. Read the 14th amendment.
The colonies weren’t “allowed” to leave England either, yet here we are.
Would it cause a civil war? Yea. Would California win? Of course not.
I don’t think it would be at least that simple… Would it be bloody and awful most likely but California holds a lot of military how many would stay loyal is dependent but I could also see some other world power interfering maybe… For better trade or special treatment.
And there is an emoluments clause. And dozens of others already violated.
That’s irrelevant to whether or not a state has an established legal right to do a thing.
There’s an ongoing political effort to get it on the ballot called “CalExit”
Sounds like is sure could be. Also sounds like the basis for a court case.
So Americans need to switch it off and on again. Gather up new founding fathers and mothers, write up a new constitution and declaration of independence - write up documents for a new federation between states…
Create a back up United States. Declare the old one null and void. Stop interacting with the old one. Start interacting with the new one.
Call all this something benign sounding. Try not to go to war about it. But yeah, you all need to switch this shit off and on again.
I agree. Time for a good old constitutional convention.
Except that’s exactly what the Heritage Foundation has been wanting for decades so they can turn the US into an official Christofascist nation.
I can’t wait to be the United Coca-Cola States of Unilever America.
Yup, by excluding the south east (Texas to Florida) they could easily reboot it in a much more progressive manner.
Texas and Florida? You mean North Mexico and Cuba Libre?
Woah woah woah. Texas seceded from Mexico to preserve slavery until they joined the US so they could secede to preserve slavery. And a cuba libre is delicious, not nearly as watered down (underwater) as Florida is.
I hope this convinces Californians to sign the CalExit petition, so that California can start researching the option to secede. The way things are looking, the dissolution of the union seems likely. It would be better if California and the other blue states got prepared for that.
Have a think about how Brexit went and get back to me.
Considering that Trump has killed all sorts of diplomatic relationships, I think it would be better for California and the other blue states to form their own arrangements with other powers, alongside internal ones.
Trump killed NOAA. The weather service that helped all of the states to prepare their crops and disaster management, is now torn to pieces. Our schools are being barred from having students from abroad, which weakens America’s abilities to have the best and brightest to join our nation. Tariffs are destroying our supply chains. The courts have become legitimized, used to entrap people who dared to believe in the justice of law. The wall of flesh in Panama is failing.
…I had plenty of think, thank you very much.
Our enemies have burrowed inside our flesh. If we don’t remove them, we are truly screwed.
To be fair I did say Trump was Americas brexit. So I take it back, you’re right. This is scary times for the USA, and the rest of the world will suffer too.
Honestly, it is a situation that has no clear answer. It is very frustrating!
It has no near term answer. Will there be free elections? Will the constitution be restored? Will law and order mean something again? Will sanity be restored?
If there’s any hope left for my fellow Americans, it’s just another year and a half before the nazis and sycophants get voted out. Then two years of non-functioning infighting …. I can dream that sanity happens. Eventually everyone of these thugs acting above the law should be brought to justice. Every one of those cops and ice agents: you know what constitutional rights are, including habeas corpus; you are responsible for obeying illegal orders
Have a think how brake up of Yugoslavia went for Slovenia (the richest YU republic).
That’s ok, we can broker trade deals with Appalachistan for cheap third world labor. They get the hellhole they seem to want and we have a nearby banana republic to exploit. Win-win
How are the situations similar? Because of the name?
Leaving your nearest trading partner doesn’t seem like a good thing.
California’s nearest trading partner is China.
But is that organised through a USA trade deal or not?
Despite it. Our governor actually shows up to trade negotiations and sticks to the agreed terms.
With the current Trump tariffs the existing US trade deal is a dysfunction at best.
More like Indyref.
Not sure what that is? Scotland leaving the union?
Thanks. Just wasn’t sure.
It makes me laugh that the same Brexit morons are against that.
Indyref was broadly supported by the left but brexit was a right wing project. And indyref was pro-EU, which was reflected a few years later when the same voters who wanted to leave UK voted remain in EU.
The concept of leaving a union of nations has no inherent other political implications.
For me it all comes down to whether the Scots can get themselves in to the EU or not. Casting yourself adrift, Brexit style, is foolish.
Looks like a class action lawsuit involving the people of California and the Feds.
How about California cancelling paying federal taxes in turn? This would probably lead to a big loss for the federal budget, wouldn’t it?
