Some related links, which I should have included in the first place!!
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/zohran-mamdani-democratic-party-establishment/
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/26/democrats-zohran-mamdani-meltdown-new-york
Follow the money, perhaps? Cui bono
liberals, am I right? ☕
You are right.
It’s like how Disney makes a big deal about being progressive while making a movie about a space cop who uses her weapons to intimidate indigenous populations.
For some of us, the 2016 Democratic primary was quite illuminating. I’m glad to see people are catching up finally.
sO yOu ArE sAyInG “bOtH sIDeS eQuAlLy BaD”?!?!?!
cOnGrAtULaTiOnS oN gEtTiNg TrUmP eLeCtEd!! :(
It’s like the second you notice parallels in our two party system, they misrepresent you as saying they are EXACTLY the same in EVERY REGARD.
Meanwhile, we no longer question why we only have two parties to vote for in the first place. Hint: the two parties keep it that way.
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It didn’t happen overnight (and racist religious world views have been cultivated within this cohort over many years), but the fact that the poorest most easily manipulated people haven’t had anybody representing their interests for decades now opened the door to Trump.
The same process is happening in the UK. The UK ‘electorate’ don’t seem to have the wherewithal to see this.
the poorest most easily manipulated people
The people who would benefit the most from Democrat-championed social programs that they now label as “radical” and “socialist” you mean?*
*Which is not some blanket endorsement of Democrats. A lot of them are also out of touch, too conservative, and still trying to run the country like it’s 1952. I’m eagerly awaiting the rise of a viable 3rd party (but after all these decades I’m not really holding my breath) or the implosion of the Democrats. I was aghast that Trump somehow pulled them right instead of left, but maybe it will result in an implosion from which Bernie, AOC, Jasmine Crockett and such can bring a phoenix out of the ashes.
‘Radical’ and ‘socialist’ in US politics are not only nothing of the sort but are nowhere near, so no I do not mean that in any sense.
Don’t put words in my mouth my post was clear.
Don’t put words in my mouth my post was clear.
Well, I didn’t, but OK.
They weren’t putting words in your mouth. They said:
“The people who would benefit the most from Democrat-championed social programs that they now label as “radical” and “socialist” you mean?”
They were talking about the poor and working class people who have been convinced by “Conservatives” that those programs are somehow radical and socialist.
Once someone’s reading comprehension gate slams one direction in these conversations it’s hard to get it to flip the other way sometimes. I also tried, but I expect he’ll tell me to fuck off next or something.
Oh well. Thank you for also trying!
‘You mean’
No I didn’t mean that. Please don’t waste my time.
Say what? I thought I understood and supported your original statement, but now I’m not sure.
Who were you referring to when you said “the poorest most easily manipulated people”?
So you don’t think those people would benefit the most from those programs?
the Dems are in cahoots with the same elite that are in cahoots with the Reps. the dems and reps pretend to be on opposite ends of a spectrum, but they are both sucking up to capitalists and their corporations
It’s very simple. One of these people blindly supports Israel no matter what it does, up to and including genocide, and the other one doesn’t.
By definition that makes them all rightwing authoritarians aka fascists, which checks out.
What it actually makes them is zionist controlled opposition. You don’t get zionist occupied government without having zionist occupied parties. The US government does whatever is good for Israel even if it is bad for the American people, so yes, we have zionist occupied government.
So you shouldn’t be surprised that the current in power dems have more loyalty to that than any ideology / policy take. It’s a club and they have to maintain it by controlling who’s in it.
The guy, unfortunately for him, has a very human and natural position on Gazan genicide. And that’s just not permissible.
we shall destroy the democratic party and rebuild it in our image
And then we will get rid of the awful and outdated “First Past the Post” style of voting and the Electoral College. Maybe do some term limits for Supreme Court justices as well.
The Democratic Party are not friends to the people. They get rich being the opposition party and will only do the bare minimum necessary to get you to not vote the monsters back in, which is one of the reasons far-right parties are getting a draw world-wide when the alternative is neoliberalism.
We have to force radical change (the no brainer stuff like social safety nets, massive justice reform, and massive election reform).
The Sword of Damocles is twofold: the revolution of the people, and the wrath of rival dictators. And it’s not to be blunted, but to keep our officials serving the public rather than their own private interests.
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It is so pleasant to see that people in the US understand that.
This is the extreme example, but if you look at Russia, that separation between the public and the politics had happened a long time ago. Now it is impossible to even convince people that politics has to serve their interests, and not the rich. And we see with the invasion how these lofeviews eventually unfolds.
Wish Americans to be strong in their transformation into the real civil society. And wish you luck and to have required support for this transformation.
Its as if the oligarchs dont like it when a candidate that is not endorsed by them wins
Did the DNC say something about Mamdani?
Did hitler murder anybody?
An extreme example, sure, but if you control an apparatus, how much responsibility should you take for their actions?
I was just asking because I literally didn’t know what this was referring to.
It’s pretty much covered in these articles. There are more, but this should give you an overview.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/zohran-mamdani-democratic-party-establishment/
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/26/democrats-zohran-mamdani-meltdown-new-york
Well leading up to the election they surely had indicated their pick was Cuomo. I’m not sure if this is about policy as much as the leadership assumes brand recognition from a previously electable candidate is more important than anything else.
In the aftermath the only concrete information was the two representatives that said they still didn’t like him. There’s reports of some rich dudes thinking about throwing money behind Cuomo or even Adams, but I didn’t see concrete outcomes on that.
It’s clear they wanted a different outcome, but I’m not so sure I’m seeing this “party melting down” people are declaring. I’ll agree when significant Democrats continue to undermine and go so far as to try to make Cuomo happen despite the results, but for now I’ll reserve judgement.
It’s fun watching you kids realize that the Democratic party isn’t the place to go for real change. I was there after Kucinich lost the primary in 2000 and then when Gore gave up fighting for his votes.
Also: You have to vote for them no matter how much you hate them. If Fetterman wins his primary next time I MUST vote for him or I am letting Republicans win.
As opposed to Chuck Schumer who also lets Republicans win.
Helping a Fetterman win means not only does another republican win, but a republican now has power within the democratic party. Every Pelosi will have to lose an election, primary or general if we are to get a party that even desires to stop the Republicans.
Republicans have had power in the Democratic Party for decades. Lieberman, Manchin, Sinema, and probably more I don’t remember.
And everyone makes excuses for them rather than kicking them out.
I was there after Kucinich lost the primary in 2000 and then when Gore gave up fighting for his votes.
Me too grandpa.🙂
You kids and your Gores and Kuciniches. Pepperidge Farm remembers Mondale/Ferraro. Shit, we remember McGovern.
You got me on McGovern!
Im working on it.
Trump barely beat Harris.
Cuomo got crushed in this primary.
Trump by no means barely beat Harris, she and Clinton were both around 220 votes and Trump has an easy 300.
The electrical college will always look different ways because winner takes all voting. It’s all that matters at the end, but a 1.5% change in the votes would have flipoed most of the battleground states. It was closer than many make it out to be
…60 goddamn percent of the country either voted for Trump, or didn’t vote at all, meaning they voted for Trump. Explain to me how she barely lost.
The fact that “closer” can be so diametrically opposed indicates a failure in the system.
If it was close we’d have gotten, I don’t know, Mitt Romney or somebody.
But the winner-take-all aspect means we get the dumbest, ugliest fascists ever. Just for a 1.5% difference.
This is what a broken system looks like.
bro trump cheated the second time lmao.
Donald Trump is useful to the real power.
getting pretty close to time to just start referring to the DNC as fascist adjacent. playing lame duck to this particular psychopath is way too old and fucking irresponsible a decade later.
especially when they pull this crap at the same time
Nationalism ✔️ imperialism ✔️ mixed economy for the benefit of the bourgeoisie ✔️ labor suppression ✔️ caters to middle class&petty bourgeois ✔️
I hope you never thought these people were there for you. At least after the age of about 22, 23?
you’re right, it was exactly 23 for me. how did you know? did we get the same radicalization update from the Clinton family trying to make the Whitehouse a family home like the Bush’s did?
DNC=Divide N Conquer
this reads like someone who is more mad at Democrats than they are at Republicans, and also didn’t vote last year
I can’t speak for the creator of the meme, but you have not described me.
What a bad faith comment.
Two things can be true.
Democrats have let me down way more than Republicans. At least Republicans will do what they say they’re gonna do.
Hi. I voted for Harris last year. I am also more mad at the Democrats than the Republicans. The Republicans are doing project 2025 and everything they ran on. The Democrats can’t do shit. They suck at being opposition. They broke the filibuster record for NO REASON. Not to prevent a trump appointment. Just because they want theatre politics. They are still voting for them, so yeah I’m more mad at the controlled opposition because I thought they would be actual opposition.
NOW the DNC wants to form some unified front? NOW? Really after all of these people VOTED for him. They are clowns and need to be replaced. Making a third party might not be viable but taking over the DNC like trump did the rnc is.
“You must have not voted” is a liberal’s equivalent of a Zionist’s “you’re an anti-Semite!”
So, an ML Leftist? Sounds about right. If we can’t have the PERFECT candidate, it’s best to just burn everything down in a fit of rage. Forward progress be damned, it’s their way or it’s a vinegary piss fit.
This bullshit take is old enough to drink. I know, I was there in the year 2000 when it was born.
So, an ML Leftist?
That position isn’t specific to ML tendencies. I personally see more anti-electoralism rhetoric from anarchists, for obvious ideological reasons.
I bring it up here on Lemmy, because it was primarily the ML leftists (on Lemmy) that pushed the idea to skip voting as a way to protest Kamala as a choice…that it was better to permit an authoritarian to take office than allow a centrist democrat. I would 100% would have liked someone like Bernie taking office, but when I’m presented with ‘kick in the nuts’ vs being castrated as my only options, I’ll take the ‘kick in the nuts’ everytime.
“I don’t think we should bomb children”, “I think medial-debt shouldn’t be the largest cause of bankruptcy in our country”, “People should be able to oppose genocide”, “cops shouldn’t be able to assault innocent people without consequence”
“PERFECT candidate”
I think your definition of “perfect” might be a little off, as I think those are all fairly reasonable to ask for.
Observation: Democratic leaders are openly abandoning the “vote blue no matter who” standard when a leftist manages to win a major primary.
Your response: "when a centrist wins, remember to vote blue no matter who!’
In an ideal world, I would pick a progressive 10/10 times.
However we don’t live in an ideal world. If your options are warm, stale beer or a steaming cup of shit, I’m going to pick the better option, every time. I’ll push for more ideal options the next go around, but I won’t sink the ship and damn me and everyone to having to deal with shit the next 4 years because I didn’t get what I want.
Yes. A lost of people didn’t vote in the US elections last year. The ones who don’t live there make up the largest contingent. They’re unlikely to blame themselves.
