Summary
A father whose unvaccinated six-year-old daughter became the first U.S. measles death in 10 years remains steadfast in his anti-vaccine beliefs.
The Mennonite man from Seminole, Texas told The Atlantic, “The vaccination has stuff we don’t trust,” maintaining that measles is normal despite its near-eradication through vaccination.
His stance echoes claims by HHS Secretary Robert Kennedy Jr., who initially downplayed the current North American outbreak before changing his position under scrutiny.
Despite his daughter’s death, the father stated, “Everybody has to die.”
Yeah… You totally can’t trust a vaccine with 97% efficacy and a negligible mortality rate that’s existed for over 80 years versus an extremely infectious virus with a 40% mortality rate and no effective treatment or cure… If only there were extensive scientific studies on these things that were easily and freely accessible to the public! Why do we have to live in such a dark and uninformed time!?
Because conservatives have been gutting education every chance they get throughout history. 🤷♂️
What better way to control the masses than have them all fat, exhausted, stupid, and sick?
Damn, I’m fat, exhausted, and sick right now because I’ve had bronchitis for the past 2 weeks.
Although I’m not a conservative and I’m arguably not stupid so I have that going for me at least lol
The stupid part is the biggest factor, the rest just wears you down until you’re like “Okay… Just do whatever so I can get out of this.”
Hope you get better soon!
One small correction. 20-25% require hospitalization, In the third world 1% to 3% mortality rate, in the first world typically 1-in-1000, but note that at least two have died of that initial group that was infected (125?).
Go get vaxxed, dammit.
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Hope he told his daughter she had to die to make liberals cry
Yeah, this fucker should be arrested, kids taken away and he should be housed in a care facility where he slowly can be weaned off the conspiracy theories until he’s normal again
Yes, I’m advocating for forced treatments of these fuckers. Hell, I’d deport and quarantine them in a remote island where they can slowly die of diseases and what not, I don’t care.
If in 2025 you still need to believe in dumb shit like unicorns, skydaddies, and conspiracy theories like a 5 year old then you don’t have the right to live liek any other healthy adult, you should be considered mentally deficient and treated as such. Sorry, you are not competent to raise children, these poor kids deserve better.
Lock em um
I’m sorry, but I’m not sorry. These people habe been ruining this world since forever and it has to stop. I’m out of are, I’m out of mercy, I’m out of patience
Once Cheeto-Christ is allowed to rampage his way down his list of enemies, I’m sure the Amish and Mennonites are hovering just after ‘gypsies’ (Romani) in the Purge Order.
Downvotes from people who don’t like this authoritarian stance.
Fuck em, this is one authoritarian stance I share. If your kid dies because you made the active decision to feed them nothing but fruit, you get arrested. If your kid dies because you made the active decision to leave them in a hot car, you get arrested. If your kid dies because you made the active decision to not get them vaccines, you should be arrested.
He should have died too
Actually no, instead of.
I bet he was given the measles vaccine.
He’s a Mennonite, so probably not
I would love to see this man beaten to death
You can only hope one day the asshole realizes he killed his kid and can’t live with his failure.
He will just rape his wife and make another hate -baby.
Problem solved.
Eh, deep down i think these fuckers know. McDonald’s only haf stuff inside i trust. I know everything that is in aspirin. It’s all bullshit.
His 5 steps of grief:
- Denial.
- Goto 1.
My favorite quote for situations like this is. “You’re never the enemy in your own story.”
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Good, people thrive when they can acknowledge their failures. I hope he gets pushed into mind breaking anguish I want him to be pushed to his emotional limits and either do mankind a favor and remove himself or reforge himself better.
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That requires self awareness.
I don’t think he will. I think he’s lying to himself to avoid the feeling of shame and he needs that protection. He can’t let himself ever admit what he did.
The conundrum here is that admitting his stance was wind would take a level of intelligence that would have had him vaccinate his child in the first place.
I know that’s oversimplifying it, but the point still stands.
At this point, I can’t say I would blame him for still refusing to accept it on an emotional level despite all evidence otherwise. As stupid as it is, how might you cope with knowing you are the sole reason that your daughter is dead? That if it weren’t for your arrogance, you would still have a child?
I don’t agree with it, but I understand. I don’t think I could live with myself if I accepted reality if I were in his situation. Shutting down might be his method of coping. It is a sad situation that was easily preventable.
“I don’t trust science so I will choose death instead”
Fucking brilliant people. No doubt they are Trump supporters.
… he’s a Mennonite, lot of them won’t even use the internal combustion engine. It’s one of those low-tech sects of Christianity like Amish.
That sounds worse. Good god.
Actually avoiding the internal combustion engine seems pretty environmentally friendly to me
Ehh, mennonites just want to keep to themselves and their communities. Obviously they’ve got some problematic beliefs, but they would never force them upon anyone or go out and try to be missionaries. Typically they don’t vote or participate in local government.
Found this interesting article about OH and PA mennonites and their opinions on the 2016 presidential election
Ya they all sound like selfish assholes who don’t want to contribute to society.
I say fuck em.
They’re anything but selfish lol. Firstly, there are sects of Mennonites that are integrated into modern society. Secondly, the communities they live in are founded on the idea of everyone helping each other. The extreme sects are allowed to waive their right to social security since their church already provides them a safety net. They don’t take gov benefits. Also, all of them have jobs, they’re not sealed off from the world. I live in Ohio and the Mennonites and Amish are frequently working on home repairs, building garages or barns, and sell a lot of goods from their little towns. These are honestly some of the nicest and hardest working people around.
American society is founded on the idea of religious freedom. If anything they’re contributing in a more positive way since they don’t seek to combine their religion and the wider world (as compared to a MAGA “Christian”)
You are religious aren’t you
Why does that matter 😭 you just instantly went to assuming my beliefs instead of saying something constructive.
All I’m trying to say is that the Mennonites aren’t as evil as you think. Please research them to form an actual opinion instead of reading one measles article and then attempting to debate me.
If you’re trying to go after religions for being a blight on society, Mennonites are the last and least influential place to look
Ah yes, the “everybody dies so who gives a shit” defense…
He says he doesn’t trust it, but he’s lying. If he actually cared about what’s in the vaccines, he would get educated on the ingredients, the process of manufacture, the data and studies that have been done, etc.
But he won’t do that, because he is a religious fundamentalist. He doesn’t care about being logical, or reasonable, or understanding anything. He heard a certain viewpoint that he vibes with and stubbornly and fanatically holds to it.
Same as radical Islamists, or the Crusaders, or conspiracy theory nuts. They didn’t reason themselves into their worldview. It wasn’t carefully and methodically researched, it isn’t something they are willing to change or adapt or be wrong on.
Crusaders
Wasn’t that more of a “make money fast” scheme though?
Sure, but for many of the participants, the actual ground troops, they were Christian fanatics that genuinely believed God was behind their cause.
Same story as today really, smart people at the top use religious fundies as useful idiots to help their cause.
I grew up in a Christian fundamentalist community. Most of the people in it genuinely believed all the propaganda and rhetoric. But the right-wing powers at the top usually don’t actually give a shit, a bunch of them don’t even believe in any of the fundie stuff like the imminent rapture, Revelation, Prophesy, etc. But they know they can use that fanaticism to their advantage to push their agenda forward.
Stuff, you say. I’d wager this fool knows nothing at all about this supposed stuff.
He’s a Mennonite. He’s intentionally ignorant of the modern world and murdered his daughter.
If you can accept the will of God that your child dies without vaccination, you can accept the will of God that your child survived vaccination, even it it caused something unexpected.
Or accept that God sent the scientists that developed the vaccine. The whole “will of God” argument is always so full of holes - logic doesn’t come into it.
There are multiple books in the Bible praising knowledge, intelligence, and wisdom as gifts sent from God.
Which ones? I know people who I’d love to pass this info along to
1 Corinthians 7-12 is a good start. From the ESV.
7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.
Proverbs I’m sure as I read recently. Others I need to read again. Ecclesiastes likely also has something like this.
Job, Psalms, and Song of Songs are also part of the “Wisdom” block, but their focus is different.
Obviously his god didn’t want him to procreate.
He must have been a sinner, in that case. Mennonites tend to have enough children to tend to a farm, then they have enough children to attend to those children.
It’s not so bad if one is taken by disease, you just make another one and hope it’s less weak.
Women love bearing children, so it is they who are blessed in the end.
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The fuck
He’s Mennonite. They don’t believe in any English medicine/science. If someone dies, it’s God’s will.
Unpopular opinion: I actually respect this. It’s a personal decision not put upon anyone else, has nothing to do with political mis/disinformation, and is entirely consistent with the rest of their beliefs.
I don’t have to agree with them to respect how they choose to live their lives. Especially if they will keep their kids in seclusion if displaying symptoms and wear masks themselves when coming into town.
Maybe they’ll die, but that’s not my call to make, nor can I force them to live my way (nor do I want to).
Except herd immunity is actually important.
It’s a personal decision not put upon anyone else
Except the dead kid
Yes there is that. It’s a tricky one too bc likely if you were to ask the kid, they would consent to whatever the family says to do. On the other hand, it’s definitely not “informed consent”.
Then again, I choose not to become thought police, so long as the parents themselves give informed consent. The alternative would be to take the child away from their parents, which is also a bad outcome.
Like I said, it’s “tricky”.
what do you mean “not put on anyone else”? you think if it’s a personal decision the disease they catch becomes respectful and tries not to infect vulnerable people around them? yes it is put upon everyone else.
and that’s for adults. in this case the decision was put upon the poor little girl who needed them to shield her from the most basic preventable ailments. what other personal decision would you respect? “yeah she ran around with that kitchen knife but we decided not to interfere with god’s will.” wow parents, at least she only hurt herself with that knife, good job on not stabbing other children with it.
I’m not into being supportive of people that want to live in the 1500s for dumb reasons.
1500’s? The measles vaccine was first developed in 1963. The MMR vaccine came out in 1971.
I’m sorry your struggling with my statement. Do you need help figuring out how >before< works?
Your premise is faulty. The dead child had their personal decision made for them. Its one thing to deny yourself medical care, its another thing entirely to deny a child medical care.
yeah the kid 100% had their dumbass parent’s decision ‘put upon’ them…how this is anything other than child abuse/manslaughter is beyond me - whether they’re in a fringe religious group or not, they are still killing people that didn’t have a real say in that outcome.
Do, ingest or smoke whatever the hell you want. Bring a kid into it and that’s a whole different ballgame. PD tends to get involved, for better or worse
There are many kinds of Mennonites. Most that I know are pretty scientific and well-educated.
big difference between Mennonites and the Amish I’m pretty sure you’re thinking of
I’ll never understand the position. If a deadly disease is God’s will, then so is the vaccine which prevents it.
Mennonites have no problem using blades to cut their hair, wearing glasses when their vision is faulty, or using soap after wiping their ass. Why are they against medicine?
Because they don’t like it, and like all religious groups… if They don’t like it, then its against gods will. And if they like it, then it is gods will.
Which is why god hates vaccines, but loves child rape and wife beating, at least for these Amish-type religious communities. (and probably most of the republican party…)
It’s because you can’t control doctors.
The leaders of their community can control everything, except doctors who follow their own rules.
Rather have children die than anyone who could defy them.
You know what else has stuff I don’t trust? The fucking measles.
This is just so horrifying. Don’t trust? Holy shit, his child is dead!
And what is this “stuff” that he’s talking about? Midi-chlorians?
If they’re injecting people with Midi-chlorians, I volunteer as tribute!
Of course he’s not changing his stance. Doing so would be admitting that his child died as a direct consequence of his own actions. He will forever be anti-vax from now on, even if his life depends on it.
