• PenguinMage@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    And I hate them for that… but funny enough I hate them less than the other idiots who want to dismantle my livelihood

      • gramathy@lemmy.ml
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        2 years ago

        Much like everyone else who shares that opinion, a viable third option that doesn’t throw the election to the right wing when you vote for it

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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          2 years ago

          So, nothing. You may not like the status quo, but you’ll continue to let genocide happen because you can’t vote it out, got it.

          Plus, the Democrats are also right-wing, just not as right-wing.

          • gramathy@lemmy.ml
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            2 years ago

            I don’t want genocide to happen. What the fuck makes you think I’m ok with what Israel is doing? You’ve got a terrorist organization and a right wing colonialist government using that terrorism as an excuse for ethnic cleansing

              • MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml
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                2 years ago

                I feel like folks like you practically get off to making bad faith arguments about how regular ass voters are "letting genocide happen" and imply that by not voting, you’re doing something effective to stop it.

                I have to ask, hypothetically if the Palestinian death toll increased to 60,000 under a Harris presidency, and it increased to 150,000 under a Trump presidency, would you have any preference for one administration over the other if you could go back in time, or do you believe the 90,000+ death difference is meaningless? I’d genuinely like to know your answer to this question because to me it’s like telling someone there’s no difference between having one leg chopped off and both legs chopped off, and then hearing from some smug person in the back saying "how about we don’t chop any legs off?" like it’s the idea of the century that nobody has ever thought of before.

                • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
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                  2 years ago

                  I feel like folks like you practically get off to making bad faith arguments

                  BAD FAITH ARGUMENTS LIKE SAYING YOU DON’T WANT A GENOCIDE TO HAPPEN AND THEN VALIDATING THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT GENOCIDE???

                • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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                  2 years ago

                  I feel like folks like you practically get off to making bad faith arguments about how regular ass voters are "letting genocide happen" and imply that by not voting, you’re doing something effective to stop it.

                  Try listening to what I am actually saying then, instead of imagining it and going with your feelings. I haven’t once said “not voting will stop genocide.” I said “voting will not stop genocide.”

                  I have to ask, hypothetically if the Palestinian death toll increased to 60,000 under a Harris presidency, and it increased to 150,000 under a Trump presidency, would you have any preference for one administration over the other if you could go back in time, or do you believe the 90,000+ death difference is meaningless? I’d genuinely like to know your answer to this question because to me it’s like telling someone there’s no difference between having one leg chopped off and both legs chopped off, and then hearing from some smug person in the back saying "how about we don’t chop any legs off?" like it’s the idea of the century that nobody has ever thought of before.

                  Neither option is acceptable and the genocidal US Empire needs to be torn down.

                  Secondly, please explain how there is a provable material difference in the ongoing genocide, beyond mere words. Congress is sending bombs and Israel is using them, and the DNC has affirmed their support for Israel.

                  Thirdly, the current death toll is already estimated to surpass 150,000 either way.

            • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
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              2 years ago

              What the fuck makes you think I’m ok with what Israel is doing?

              Your. Actions.

              You’ve got a terrorist organization

              E.G. Calling the Palestinians ‘terrorists’

              You ACTIVELY support their genocide. Cynical piece of shit.

          • urandom@lemmy.worldAfrikaans
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            2 years ago

            You won’t be able to stop the genocide regardless of who you vote for. And, from what I understand, you propose people vote for some third party that will never win, but leech votes from democrats so the republicans can win, right?

            Yeah, that’s a really smart choice right there

            • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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              2 years ago

              You won’t be able to stop the genocide regardless of who you vote for. And, from what I understand, you propose people vote for some third party that will never win, but leech votes from democrats so the republicans can win, right?

              Wrong on both counts, sorry. We can stop genocide, voting won’t do it though.

                • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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                  2 years ago

                  Organizing and directly contesting. Build up dual power and risk upsetting the current system. The Black Panthers did it, John Brown did it, MLK Jr. did it.