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Luigi, bro, you on Lemmy? Lmk
I mean, he might not be able to log in right now…
Yeah. 40+. Blind, mostly. Lower back problems. But definitely a different last name.
Mr Mangione worked as a data engineer for TrueCar
Looks like TrueCar had a decent Aetna plan in his state.
I was sure this shooter was on United Healthcare.
I had the same thought. Perhaps a close family member has/had UHC?
Doesn’t look like the guy in the photos. That guy had a coat on. Not guilty.
He honestly doesn’t look like the same guy to me. Idk.
The article spelled Hero wrong…
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Fixarixis? Do they mean Firaxis?
It was actually Fixarixinixynoxinaxis
Yes, Firaxis, he worked as an intern fixing UI issues in Civ VI based off of a screenshot I saw of his LinkedIn page
Well now I love him even more!
The Revolution will not be televised.
Came to mind.
He also had a three-page handwritten manifesto that included grievances with the US healthcare system, a document that spoke to the suspect’s “motivation and mindset”, officials said.
Publish it then.
Hey you got your account back!!
Are you referring to the 2FA problem I had? I brute-forced it with a simple Bash script utilizing Lemmy API. Our instance doesn’t seem to have rate-limiting.
that is configurable by your admin. while it was useful for you, you should probably raise that problem to your admin.
Yea, Oh Cool.
They need dozens of psy PhD types to review it to asses risks and prep narratives to discredit him.
Get fucked, dude is a hero.
He was carrying it around for absolutely no reason and for long enough to get caught with it? Bullshit, it’s manufactured evidence.
Well, a YouTube account with the shooters name posted a video today titled “truth” which was basically saying that there were videos scheduled to be made public in the near future (presumably on the same account), which would speak to his motivations and mind set or something of the sort.
Instead of telling you about it, I would prefer to just link the video, but according to YouTube, the account associated with the YouTube channel has been removed, so you can believe me or not on this. the video was only up for about 4 hours and when I saw it, maybe 30 minutes before it was removed from YouTube, it had 10’s of thousands of views. I know those counters aren’t exactly real time, so it’s not unreasonable to think that upwards of 100k people saw it, maybe more, and unless one of them saved it, it’s likely that nobody else will see it.
Well well well,
Once, not if, but once it leaks, who ordered this, and who executed said order of this information being suppressed, you’ll have more heads in line for the guillotine.
¡Congrats!
It’s still here for now
This is fabricated
Lol, Twitter?! Seriously? I’m not even going to click that shit. I know it’s not real.
Pretty sure that YT account was faked, or mis-related to Mangione
Ikr
First thought that came to mind as well, it sounds very implausible for him to be carrying a manifesto.
Unless he planned on not surviving
A week after?
I’m totally speculating, but if he’s been on the run, he may not have changed his plans on certain… conclusions.
Perhaps, yes
Another thought I had is what if he was still writing it?
Not surviving what, the bus ride?
The arrest
Or he consider himself a crusader for a cause more than a vigilante and was carrying it to get more attention to his beliefs.
And yet instead of waiting around to get lots of attention and people *quoting things he said before cops arrived he quietly got on a bus. Doesn’t track.
*fucking worthless autocorrect
My tin foil hat theory is that he was planning out another shooting and got interrupted.
This thing about a guy at Macdonald’s recognizing his eyes also sounds bit strange tbh
We wouldn’t want to arouse ill-will toward health insurers /s
Deny that you know or even saw them. Defend them if they do get caught, through protest, fundraising, bail, etc. Depose those who put them in jail if they are sentenced.
Give them time to write it up! They police are having problems with the shared Google Doc permissions.
and the reading, don’t forget the reading
Historically speaking, pigs can’t read.
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Is he repped yet? If not and anyone knows how to get in touch with his people please contact me. I have a line on a few free attorneys that take cases of this magnitude.
Nice nothing better than a free lawyer off the internet to defend you in a murder case. I can’t imagine that ever going wrong.
Hey genius… Ben Crump is a free lawyer off the internet. Maybe instead of shooting down offers to help you take your head out of your ass.
Any paid Manhattan attorney has more in common with the CEO. This guy needs a real street fighter. Not some prissy bitch.
He comes from money, he won’t be needing free legal help.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp9nxee2r0do
"He attended a private, all-boys high school in Baltimore, called the Gilman School, according to school officials. Mr Mangione was named as the valedictorian, which is usually the student with the highest academic achievements in a class.
He comes from a prominent family in the Baltimore area whose businesses include a country club and nursing homes, according to local media.
He is reportedly the cousin of Republican state lawmaker Nino Mangione."
And you’re the
“Lemmy Jordanlund”
“COMMUNITY MODERATOR”
"COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT "So what, who cares? The guy will need help regardless of if he’s guilty or not.
He needs help, he doesn’t need crowdsourcing to pay for it. :)
If you want to crowdfund someone, donate to somebody who got denied by the insurance company.
Go for it. Who have you donated to that’s gotten denied by an insurance company?
My wife… She got an infection which required a toe amputation before the the infection could turn septic, enter her bloodstream, and kill her.
First Aetna tried to claim the surgery was not medically necessary (really? Where’s your medical degree?) then they tried to claim our in-network hospital wasn’t covered because they used an out of network surgeon.
Sound familiar?
Paid the bill then continued to fight with Aetna for a full calendar year before they went “Oh, hey, you’re right…” and refunded me.
Maybe he’ll get the “boys being boys” case dismissal
I’m curious why he still carry all those things after he is done with it.
In other threads, people have suggested that he might be carrying the manifesto in case he was shot and killed if/when arrested.
Possibly, yes. I’m amazed he still had the gun though.
Well I’d say… could it also be plausible he was going for another CEO.
Actually, that wouldn’t surprise me at all.
Check out parallel construction concept…
He didn’t… They found where he dispose of it and gave to police to plant on him so we have to accept he is the perp…
You can get creative with who “they” are here btw
BC if you got murdered they would never do this.
Also he left a dead man switch for YouTube upload.
Proof of YouTube upload?
There’s no proof. Yet.
Maybe plotting how to dispose of it, perhaps extra paranoid with how much he blew up. Unfortunately all the memes of him probably helped spread the search for him. Not everyone who saw a meme agreed with his actions.
Sad reality and a lessons on you didn’t see shit.
It was a ghost gun, he could have thrown it into any ditch and not have it traced back to him.
He’d probably be ditching more than just that. He could be caught on a security camera disposing of it which could give further clues. He may also had no intention of disposal and intended to keep the firearm.
There are not security cameras all the way.
He may also had no intention of disposal
The whole point of a ghost gun is to be able to throw it away and have it not traced back to you.
Private security footage could have caught him disposing, someone could have witnessess and grabbed another photo of him using his their cell phone. He could be worried about finger prints on the gun or other biological clues. And if a ghost gun is so untraceable, keeping it after a crime shouldn’t be proof, because how do you prove it was this ghost gun used in the crime? He could claim he just keeps it for self defense or was interested in how far 3D printed tech has come
He could be planning another assassination or desire to keep the weapon for self defense purposes. I think you are downplaying the parannoia that would come with such a large scale manhunt accompanied with becoming an internet meme spreading your photo and awareness of your act over night. Paranoia makes you constantly think “but what if?” And that paranoia is even stronger in an extreme circumstance like this.
The fact is, we may never know why he kept it.
Even without serial number, a ghost gun will leave rifling marks on the bullets which can be compared by firing the gun into ballistic gel
Problem solving. Maybe we shouldn’t have pushed STEM so hard to the underpaid, unemployed, underinsured masses.
-Somebody with the wherewithal probably
There’s a picture of him holding a McD happy meal?? He had the gun and manifesto just laying there in his backpack? You f’ing kidding??
Some elite fucks used an advanced AI search algorithm to search a bunch of people who vaguely looked like him. Input term search for social media and ‘reviews’ to further narrow down until you find someone who has a few tweets and posts that the media can point to say “yup hey look, he liked Kzynski’s manifesto on goodreads…got the guy!”. Plant evidence, and you got your scapegoat.
This poor kids’ life is ruined. And he will probably be threatened if he doesn’t plead guilty and waive jury trial. He’ll get a visit from the MIB threatening to skin his family alive in front of him if he doesn’t play along.
You can’t convince me this is the real shooter, this guy looks more like Skeet from Jimmy Neutron than the “Grin Reaper” in the now famous pic
I said this to many folks IRL, the guy the NYPD charges will not be the shooter. just some poor sap that gets sent to prison for life because he had a dissenting opinion.
it’s the high price we pay to keep them in power.
What would “the elites” stand to gain from framing this dude, while the actual killer is still on the loose?
This is pretty unhinged, to be honest.
Yeah, I get that. However, the optics of having a successful “martyr” symbol is very, very dangerous. A wide scope of narrative means difficult to control. Difficult to control introduces “motivator to action” symbols among a, I think, specific (and quite populous) demographic (think of all the young males with zero purpose, waiting to seize on an opportunity for a real life Mr Robot, for example)… “well if he could do it, get away with it, AND become a ’hero’, what’s stopping me from doing the same?”
Having someone, anyone, buys time to craft the narrative and gauge public sentiment and, most importantly, dampen the probability of a revolutionary ’spark’ if you will.
Obviously we don’t have enough information here. It very well could be the dude they have in custody. I am only sharing one possible theory based off my experience and observations. And there are a number of very suspect observations here that are in line with narrative management.
The killer is not as dangerous as the approval for his act. The government wants to prevent copycat vigilantes by making an example out of him. Regardless whether this guy is guilty or not, they’ll drag him through the deepest mud and then string him up with the harshest possible sentence, to discourage others from gunning down CEOs.
to make an example of someone to try to dissuade others from following in his footsteps
I’m not adopting the conspiracy here, but if they can’t find the shooter with the whole country getting behind him, then they would want the optics of finding the shooter. Which could backfire, of course. It would be very telling, for example, if the cops got real confident about it and then the real shooter made some kind of public display with the false shooter in custody.
Yeah, thats part of the reason I don’t buy it. If the actual killer acts again, it will be very embarrassing for the police.
This was my thought process, too. If they got a framed guy here, the actual CEO killer would likely or hopefully do something else to let the public know that they were still out there.
They gain by preventing copycat killers. If other poors think that he got away with it, they might think they can, too.
On the upside, some people were pointing out he comes from a rich family
Not rich, but reasonably well off.
He was an ivy league grad, vacations in Bali, and his family owns a country club and a chain of nursing homes. He almost certainly has more money than the guy he shot.
You think that a lone assailant had more money than the CEO of one of two branches of the 9th largest company in the world by revenue and largest health insurance company in the US? And if so, why wouldn’t he have hired a hitman with all that money instead? Or just paid for medical bills out of pocket? Or just had his own doctor that only served him and prescribed whatever he wanted?
He was CEO, not founder. The dude was only worth around $50 million. The shooters family owns a country club and an entire chain of nursing homes. They almost certainly have more money, probably a lot more money.
I can’t answer your other questions. Perhaps the answers will be in his manifesto.
No way that he personally had more money than the CEO, from just looking at his work history. Maybe his whole family has more money than the CEO, but if we compared whole families against each other, the CEOs family would still come out on top.
Reading these fantasy takes is exhausting. It’s hard to want to be a part of a community that supports this guy by gaslighting everyone, saying things like “it’s not the same guy in the four photos!” Just hundreds of people all convinced they can secure this guys freedom by acting dumb and face blind- you’ve created a whole fictional scenario here that’s just unbelievable and unrealistic.
If he didn’t want to get caught he shouldn’t have left DNA all over, shouldn’t have taken off his mask, shouldn’t be carrying the murder weapon days later… He could have helped himself but instead there’s an army of idiots who are probably just creating this fan fiction to impress their peers. It’s very childish though. This guy tried to do something which is commendable, or maybe he’s just mentally ill, but I’m just tired of reading all this nonsense. Who are you signalling to?
To be fair, people were posting actors who look like the very shitty pictures we have of the guy too, and I buy some of them. Honestly, the picture we have looks more like Timothée Chalamet than this guy. I’m not saying it isn’t this guy, or it is Chalamet, but there’s a shit ton of people in this world, and a lot look like the shooter.
Edit to add: I’ll never trust the word of the authorities. They have to prove that this is the man. It’s their duty, not ours.
If you look at a photo of the guy taken from above him, so a similar angle to the surveillance camera, he looks very similar. I do think it’s him.
If you will not trust authorities how do you expect them to prove it to you?
They’re going to have to take it to court and provide evidence. Trust is what you give to someone without the need for evidence. If they can prove it, then sure I’ll believe it. I’m not just going to trust that they’re correct without that though.
Is there a reason to think there will be no trial and this guy by some reason will end up in some CIA black site without trial?
I just find it interesting that someone who has absolutely no trust in authorities does not have a theory that court can be influenced by the same authorities.
end up in some CIA black site without trial?
No, he’d end up Epsteined. If the evidence were a plant, he’d be of no use to them alive.
Even if they proved it was him it doesn’t matter. When OJ was acquitted, Jurors admitted they did it as a fuck you to the LAPD and justice system.
Trusting the authorities is absofuckinglutely the dumbest motherfucking take anyone can have in this capitalistic hellscape.
It reminds me of people in the UFO community.
I posted this elsewhere, but this is one of the few times I buy the conspiracy theory, not the official story.
Dude pulls off a targeted assassination, gets away clean, trolls the cops with a bag of monopoly money, gets out of the state, stays essentially hidden for almost a week… And then gets clocked by some poor maccas employee and gets taken in with a manifesto AND a gun on his person?
It’s the nazi flag and 3 copies of The Sims all over again, except this time the folks doing it are slightly more competent and actually pulled it off.
This case is so important, so high profile, that they just need to arrest someone ASAP. Anyone. And that person is not in for a good time.
There’s a simple explanation: He wanted to keep on the move, and he wanted to be able to take down other targets.
His face jas been plastered everywhere for the past week. My YouTube home page literally had 3-4 thumbnails of his face on every reload. Lemmy…X…news sites…massive exposure.
So yah…some random worker notices his face looks kind of similar while he’s dining at his favorite spot and bam. Don’t forget there was a $10k bounty, plenty of fast food workers might be itching to collect on something like that.
He probably figured once he was questioned about anything that they’d eventually get him so he prepared for that scenario. Or maybe this wasn’t even his last stop on his triple-D tour so he was still geared up.
We’ll see him in court. If he’s innocent then he make a pretty good argument and then we can decide whether to raise eyebrows but this all just seems Q-anon levels of silly right now.
there was a $10k bounty,
$60k. $10k from NYPD and $50k from the FBI.
I think he knew he was going to get caught. Words on bullets, monopoly money… It’s trying to make the story larger and larger. Pretty sure he will make a show in front of the jury.
I don’t know if that will work, but I respect that more than he killed the pig without making clear why.
Have to admit I’m surprised. I really expected this to be a romantic triangle or business rivalry thing.
Somebody better nullify that jury.
Lol … I thought you were asking to nudify the jury
I’m fairly certain they’ll just find a new jury
Fortunately in criminal trials if the Jury can return a not guilty verdict, that’s game over for the states case. Double jeopardy they can’t retry.
Now if one guy on the Jury opposes a guilty verdict, and no verdict is reached, then the state can retry.
Sure sounds like justice.
I mean… it does seem pretty fair? If the jury is hung it’s up to the state to retry. If the jury comes back not guilty then that’s the end of it.
we gonna keep trying until we win…
tbh that is the ruling class MO tho
It only takes of working man to get on it to make it flop
And here’s your 12 jury members…
Oh, it’s Mark Cuban, Mark Zuckerburg, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch,
…I could keep this joke going if I used google, but is it sad that I could name 6 people by memory just by using the parameters “Rich asshole who would have no empathy for the general public, and would absolutely convict”?
it would have to be 12 CEOs but they deff aint got to be proper owner oligarch… just scrape some middling f500 roaster with some “nonames”
but yes valid point… but defense can generally strike some of these.
this guy going to need proper counsel, I am assuming fun raising won’t be an issue. he deserves the best.
coupled with proper PR campaign on socials since TV will try to destroy him.
this jury must not convict because the glove don’t fit hehe
Plenty of lawyers, at least some of them talented, will offer to defend him for free.
It could make their career.
defense of this scale will require several million dollars, nobody will do that for free.
also, defending this guy will make you enemy of the owner class. top talent will opt out.
I could name 6 people by memory just by using the parameters "Rich asshole who would have no empathy for the general pub
You should find more about gates than the name
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation
I am not going to watch 70 minutes movie, but according to brief skimming through the discussion it’s about business practice of the Microsoft from times of windows 3.11
I am talking about his today’s undeniable philantropic work and the fact is he is really far from the rest of the people on your list.
People are allowed to evolve and if every billionaire in the world would evolve I’m the same direction he did, world would be better place.
It’s a podcast and you can listen while doing other things. 70 minutes isn’t very long.
You can deny his recent philanthropic work because his libertarian mentality corrupts it. He helped fund covid 19 vaccine research, but also demanded that the patents not be released, so profit could be made. This is in direct contrast to the lead scientist of the poli vaccine opening it up for anyone to make, comparing the ownership of a vaccine to trying to own sunlight.
While there’s evidence that Gates did not participate in Epstein’s parties, he did know about and choose to stay silent.
Gates is a full blown elite larping as a humanitarian when the role of his foundation should be occupied by a tax funded gov org.
No, Mr Mangione! A Fortune 500 executive is a living, enterprising creature!
I don’t care…heheheh <ebike swerves onto sidewalk>
Why do I keep reading his name as “Luigi’s Mansion”
Lucky the police got him before he got nintendo’ed.
