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    One could say that the group chat that shouldn’t be (absolutely everything should be over official channels) has a lot to do with why bombing the poorest countries on Earth is a constant.

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    Bush and Obama did it too. Historically, it’s been a targeted killing thing against Al-Qaeda (or so they have said), with whatever government they have, giving their blessing. If other sites are correct, Trump did it more, but it’s kinda hard to pick nits there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_strikes_in_Yemen

    That’s why a lot people are more upset over the lack of operational security than the action itself. They’re not conducting themselves in a way that keeps our country safe, They skirting monitoring and can’t even get that right.

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    I think anyone paying attention expects the US to sacrifice their public image to keep wasting taxpayer dollars helping the Zionists commit a genocide.

    The people in that group chat were hired by Russia to do as much damage as possible, so this is them doing their jobs.

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        If we told our vassal state to stop committing genocide, the Houthis wouldn’t be bombing ships. Please try to keep up.

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          Have you ever considered that the accusation of antisemitism might not carry so much weight if you didn’t openly align yourself with genocidal terrorist slavers?

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            The people of Yemen are the victims of genocide, perpetrated by Israel and Saudi Arabia, and supplied by America.

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              And you propose…what, specifically? We let the genocidal, slave-taking, rape happy terrorists that are the Houthis continue to attack us, because we deserve it?

              Is it really any wonder why nothing Internet leftists support ever succeeds?

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    One way to look at it: Yemen’s current conflict is a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Put it another way, it’s their Vietnam

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    Because it is controlled by the Houthis, Islamist terrorists threatening global trade, overthrowing a quasi-friendly government and REINSTITUTING SLAVERY.

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      The houthis aren’t exactly the best representatives of the movement but still, this issue would be better solved by stopping arms shipments to israel and pushing them to a ceasefire towards a permanent peace. The houthis have shown that they will stop there attacks when the bombs stop dropping on gaza with this last ceasefire.

      These strikes don’t do shit besides hardening the antagonism against the west in Yemen. Ask Saudi Arabia, you can’t take out the houthis with bombs. This is just a way for trump to flex his arms and act like a tough guy.

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        I do not trust murderous terrorist slavers to keep their word. And even if I did, the mere fact that there are attacking our people is more than justification enough to blow them to Hell.

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          That doesn’t solve the issue, you blow up one terrorist and five civilians then the brothers/fathers of those five civilians become terrorists. The only thing blowing them up does, besides making the leaders and the people of the u.s. feel tough, is enrich the weapons industry.

          We bombed Afghanistan for more then a decade and the taliban still control Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia bombed the houthis for years and they now control Yemen, Israel has leveled gaza and hamas is still in control.

          YOU CANT BOMB AWAY TERRORISTS.

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              No, I’m proposing that we push our client state Israel to stop bombing gaza so the attacks will stop. That’s the only way to stop them from attacking us, because again, bombing them won’t stop them, it’ll just fuel further conflict.

              Also we arent being attacked, no one in u.s. territory has been harmed, ships in a war zone are being attacked. Are you proposing that we blow the hell out of anyone that killed an american in a war zone? Because Israel has killed American citizens in its war on gaza, so has hamas, should we just carpet bomb the whole area to show we mean business?

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                First of all, that comparison is bullshit and you know it. The Houthis are purposefully attacking American citizens abroad.

                Second of all, I disagree that destroying their capabilities to attack would accomplish nothing and I have no sympathy for genocidal, rape happy slaver terrorists, so you aren’t tugging on my heartstrings by talking about carpet bombings.

                Thirdly, as I mentioned, they’re genocidal slaver terrorists. So I do not trust them.

                Fourth, this is why any politician supported by Lemmy is obviously going to fail. You have no conception of what normal people think is acceptable. For example: the average American does not hear about Americans being attacked abroad by terrorists who commit rape en mass, support genocide and have reintroduced slavery and think, “We should give these people what they want.”

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                  Explain to me how Israel blowing up a food aid convoy is different then the houthis attacking merchant ships.

                  oh but that was an accident, they didn’t know the truck with there logo that reported there location to the idf was an aid truck. That’s not there stated policy to blow up aid trucks.

                  Israel has implemented a full blockade of Gaza since the ceasefire ended. So if an American tried to drive an aid truck across the Gaza border, Israel would blow it up. That’s currently just a threat, and they haven’t done that, but the houthis haven’t attacked a ship since the ceasefire, they only threatened to which is what prompted this strike.

                  Are all Yemeni rape happy slavery terrorists? Because these bombings are pretty indiscriminate, a majority of the people are civilians. This latest strike was on an apartment building, not some secret houthi military base. They killed a couple terrorist leaders that will be easily replaced, while killing substantially more civilians.

                  the average American does not hear about Americans being attacked abroad by terrorists who commit rape en mass, support genocide and have reintroduced slavery and think “we should give these people what they want”

                  All of those descriptors except for the slavery one apply to israel and half of Americans give them unequivocal support.

                  This isn’t just giving them what they want, the large majority of the world wants a ceasefire in gaza, look at the UN votes. If everyone in the world supports reducing pollution you don’t turn that around and say north Korea and the taliban want to reduce pollution, and we can’t let them get anything they want so we should pollute more. That’s the height of reactionary, oppositional politics that destroys any progress and solidarity.

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      Houthis did not reinstate slavery. The “legitimate” Yemeni government that the Houthis are rebelling against reinstituted slavery

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              Why do you assume that the US gov is more trustworthy than the Houthis? After all the horrible shit the US gov has done what will it take for you to stop believing it when it tells you that it’s the good guy and the people it’s fighting are the bad guys.

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                First of all, the State Department document is just one of a variety of reports detailing the Houthi reintroduction of slavery.

                Second of all, the fact you can’t actually attack the contents of the report and solely argue I shouldn’t believe it because you, personally, hate America undermines your argument.

                Third, rape and slavery are not pasttimes in America, as they are in Houthi controlled Yemen.

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                  It’s not because I personally hate America, the US has been helping israel commit a genocide for over a year, apparently that isn’t enough for you to question their statements but it is more than enough for me

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          From the US State Department report:

          Media reports referencing muhamasheen activists noted that while social castes and slavery were abolished in the 1960s, tribal justice systems reinforced historical patterns of discrimination. The most recent estimated number of victims of modern slavery in country remained the 2018 report by Walk Free, an NGO focused on ending modern slavery. Walk Free estimated there were 85,000 victims of modern slavery in the country, or 3.1 percent of the population, but that due to the impossibility of conducting surveys under conflict, data likely underestimated the problem. This broad category included forced labor and debt bondage, human trafficking, and forced and early marriage.

          This is the Walk Free report mentioned, it’s referencing modern-day slavery and how vulnerable the population of Yemen is, the main being political instability. That same article shows Saudi Arabia as having over 4 times per capita more modern day slaves.

          The only other article that mentions Slavery under the Houthis is Al-Awsat which is a state propaganda newspaper working at the behest of the Saudi Royal Family.

          There is no mention of slavery in the 2024 HRW Report Or 2023 Amnesty Report

          The Saudi puppet government that did institute slavery are what the Houthis fought and won against, and continue to face a US-Saudi genocide because of it. It’d certainly help to reduce modern day slavery if the entire population of Yemen wasn’t facing a genocide.

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          Guterres put the crisis in stark perspective, emphasizing the near complete lack of security for the Yemeni people. More than 22 million people out of a total population of 28 million are in need of humanitarian aid and protection. Eighteen million people lack reliable access to food; 8.4 million people “do not know how they will obtain their next meal.”

          Besides Saudi Arabia, the coalition attacking Yemen includes the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Sudan, Kuwait and Bahrain. Qatar was part of the coalition but is no longer.

          Based on the information available to it using open sources, YDP reports that two-thirds of the coalition’s bombing attacks have been against non-military and unknown targets. The coalition isn’t accidentally attacking civilians and civilian infrastructure – it’s doing it deliberately.

          The air and naval blockade, in effect since March 2015, “is essentially using the threat of starvation as a bargaining tool and an instrument of war,” according to the UN panel of experts on Yemen.

          The coalition’s genocide in Yemen would not be possible without the complicity of the U.S. This has been a bipartisan presidential effort, covering both the Obama and Trump administrations.

          U.S. arms are being used to kill Yemenis and destroy their country. In 2016, well after the coalition began its genocidal assault on Yemen, four of the top five recipients of U.S. arms sales were members of the coalition.

          The U.S. has also provided the coalition with logistical support, including mid-air refueling, targeting advice and support, intelligence, expedited munitions resupply and maintenance.

          As of February 2018, according to the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, the coalition had killed 6,000 people in airstrikes and wounded nearly 10,000 more.

          Yet, according to the OHCHR report, these counts are conservative. Tens of thousands of Yemenis have also died from causes related to the war. According to Save the Children, an estimated 85,000 children under five may have died since 2015, with more than 50,000 child deaths in 2017 alone from hunger and related causes.

          US complicity in the Saudi-led genocide in Yemen spans Obama, Trump administrations

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      They overthrew Gaddafi when he was the only thing preventing slavery from returning, and the allies of the West now have open slave markets in Libya.

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      They’re not threatening global trade, they’re fulfilling their obligation under international law to prevent genocide by blocking ships of countries that are aiding genocide.

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      The United States government just sold over 200 people, without trial, into slavery in El Salvador. And the US explicitly allows slavery as part of its own prison system. The US has a large number of legal slaves.

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        Yes, and how does that justify anything? I don’t understand this logic at all, the US being bad doesn’t make the Houthi slavers good. Slavery is wrong regardless of who does it.

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          It doesn’t justify anything. What it does do is point out the absurdity of arguing that the Huthis deserved to be bombed due to slavery. If they deserve to be bombed, so do we.

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        I don’t think people understand just how fucking MASSIVE that bullshit is. Any credibility that the US had in human rights is long gone.

        What turn is doing is what the original filibusters did prior to the civil war. Basically considering chattel slavery such an important part of their ‘liberty’ ideal that they wanted to spread it to places where slavery had been abolished. Like the carribbean and Central America.

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      What lead them to be on position to be able to do such a thing?

      Who helped to stabilise the previous gov & infrastructure (hospitals) … and stopped overnight destabilising the country early pre-covid?

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        That is a different topic not relevant for the current discission.

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        I don’t know, but I presume the answer is us.

        But that doesn’t mean it is at all reasonable to just let them shoot at our boats and, I reiterate, REINSTITUTE SLAVERY.

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            Not everyone’s boats, just the ones of countries facilitating genocide, as they are obligated to under international law. They’re not touching Chinese boats, Iranian boats, Turkish boats, etc.

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              They are targeting indiscriminately. You might hear otherwise from their statements, but the reality is they don’t seem to have capacity to distinguish

              Edit: this has happened numerous times and there is plenty of evidence. Sorry it’s your heroes commiting atrocities

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              Boats marked with a specific country are not strictly captained, crewed, or even owned by individuals from that country.

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                They aren’t targeting boats based on their flags, nor their captain, nor their crew, nor their ownership, but based on their connection to Israel.

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    Because zionist central bankers own our politicians through Aipac snd CUFI donations. The houthi are waging against the zionist state of israel to free the Palestinian people under oppressive occupation and genocide funded by our tax dollars

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      The houthi are waging against the zionist state of israel to free the Palestinian people under oppressive occupation and genocide funded by our tax dollars

      You got a source on those goals? Because the Houthis are pretty bad ngl. Seriously, read up on who they are and how they want to deal with LGBTQ+ people, women, and other religions.

      Not saying our administration would be correct if it said in a public statement that the sky is blue, but forceful response to their piracy is pretty much globally condoned and one of those “someone has to do it” chores that come with being a powerful nation. The houthis didn’t give a shit about palestine before Israel started this latest genocide, they’re just desperate for the support of naive progressives around the world. They want to build an old-school islamist state and all the trappings that come with it.

      edit: The situation with the Houthis is more about Iran and US than it is about Gaza/israel, PLEASE I beg of you to read up on the timeline and history before trying to argue with me and understand that the world is more nuanced than you want it to be, and in fact I challenge you to read up on this story and its history and NOT be disappointed on some level. There is no “good guy” in this, everyone is shit. Also I am turning off inbox replies so I don’t have to argue with reactionaries. Save your energy.

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        https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/houthi-leader-condemns-us-israeli-aggression-vows-support-gaza

        US “journalism” since the Reagan and bush sr. administrations both vetoed attempts to legislate the fairness in media doctrine have become blatant capitalist propaganda. Of course the west is going to condemn any rebel group that aims to re appropriate resources stolen from the people by repressive oligarchs like the saudi’s and other nations complicit in the western exploitation of looted third world resources for pennies on the dollar in the name of maximizing corporate profits. Im pretty sure the british said some nasty things after the boston tea party too. Rebels are always looked at as terrorists to those in power who commit war crimes with impunity. Those with the money who own the media dictate the narrative.

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          I am speaking from my experience in logistics and the perspectives that come with it. Everyone in here has a massive “US-centered” perspective of the world’s systems. The issue with Houthis isn’t just a US issue and it’s not just about “Western goods.” I highly encourage reading up more about the region, shipping and logistics, and what goods and services are used by who and for what, it’s a much more complicated picture than anyone in this post understands, myself included, so everyone here who is looking for a group’s cock to bounce on needs to back up and take a beat.

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            The us were not the first to start colonizing and pillaging the third world to rape and pillage resources to feed markets. Sure it will harm a third world country if the goods they are producing are destroyed or appropriated by a rebel group but it will harm the multinational conglomerates who aim to profit off the use of these resources for whatever goods they are going to make or repackage and sell.

            Its not so much the US as it is western hegemonic influence and multibillion dollar military industry profiteers pillaging the third world for rare earth minerals, raw metal ore, petroleum, textiles and whatever valuables they can get their hands on.

            Are you saying the US iran conflict isn’t directly connected to the zionist regime of israel and all the history of the colonization of Palestine since the signing of the Balfour declaration? Because there was no such thing as islamic extremism before zionist terror groups irgun haganah palmach and lehi waged a 3 decades long campaign of assassinations, bombings, riots and other attacks killing approximately between 5000-8000 Palestinian jews, Christians and muslims as well as american and British expats and british troops occupying british mandate palestine. I mean we can trace this all the way back to the crusades and find WASP ideology as the root and then before then we can go to ancient babylon and egypt to see where the tensions in the fertile crescent came from. But today no other nation state breeds more validated contempt than a fascist ethnostate commiting genocide against a race of humans it deems inferior. This is why the mujahadein funded by the reagan administration to fight the ussr ended up taking their training and money and aiming their ire at the us after the saudis refused to break their ties to the us state whos unholy alliance with israel made them an enemy to arabs since 1948 radicalization and extremism didnt blossom till the conflict with Egypt and it was a result of certain islamic groups reading marxist ideas of resistance and implementing them in their fight against the western world’s domination and support of a criminal zionist state. This is the reality. Youre trying to make this grayer than it is. Its not fully black and white but zionist influence and the unwavering support of zionism by the western banking military profiteering elite sows seeds of discontent and extremism while validating these sentiments. One person has been very concise in their expression of this reality and it was michael scheuyer who was the head of the osama bin laden fbi task force under the bush administration. Islamic extremism(which really is just localized solidarity and resistance towards an evil genocidal ethnostate) would not exist if the us and other western allies didnt give Israel Carte blanche to commit war crimes and genocide in that part of the world. A lot of money has been spent propagandizing americans to believe anything other than the truth. But the reality is that islamic empires have always been able to thrice and accept multiculturalism look at the moors and how their empire across the Iberian peninsula thrived for centuries before the crusades. Most people just believe what American corporatist influence tells them while they have never read the quran or taken time to understand islam/ arab culture. Which is no more violent or misogynistic than judaism. There is very little difference between the two in reality beaides the quran says allah/god created multiple worlds with civilizations on them.

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      You’re putting the horse before the cart here. US politicians fund Israel because they feel Israel is useful for their geopolitical goals in the region. When they want to bomb Iran, they don’t do it themselves and risk retaliations to their ships, they have Israel do it. Also Israel is great for the US military industrial complex. Korea can’t put “tested in Gaza” on their weapons like Lockheed can.

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        You may believe this is the case but it really is not. Look at the uss liberty incident. The us allowed Israel to attack a us naval vessel with impunity. Our entire political system in the us is owned and controlled by transnational multi billion dollar military and prison industry profiteers. they don’t have any allegiance to the population of the usa besides their own class who all seem to vehemently support the same cause of the zionist ethno state of israel and the perpetuation of an obvious genocide against the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine. This all goes back to the rothschild family, the balfour declaration Theodore Herzl and the several Zionist terrorist paramilitary Groups that waged terror across the levant from the earliest moments of the 20th century until 1948 when the British occupation of palestine ended and the british empire gave control of Palestine to zionist leaders who then condemned the terrorists groups who carried out violent bombings, attacks assassinations and instigated riots that were responsible for the deaths of several thousand Palestinian jews, Christians Muslims as well as American expats, British citizens and British troops stationed in Palestine. But despite condemning these criminals the ranks of their terrorist groups (hagannah, irgun, palmach and lehi) were welcomed into the newly formed govenrment as well as the IDF and mossad and many of the current zionist politicians in the likud party and other Zionist political factions have direct familial ties to members of these terrorist groups. These wealthy individuals who had the power connections and means to form these paramilitary organizations still have family members directly involved in central banking institutions such as the IMF world bank wall street and other connected institutions. These are people who consider themselves far beyond reproach and above governments. The rothschild family has spent a lot on PR to cleverly deflect any criticism of their wealth and how they use it as anti semitism but the Zionist movement would not be what it is today without the blood money of this central banking family of genocidal war mongers

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            I am writing a comment on an internet forum community. not a research essay or thesis. Do you want me to quote sources at the bottom too professor frosty sauce?🧐

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          You’re just doing antisemitic conspiracy but writing “zionist” instead of Jew.

          The British handed the occupation to the Zionists because it was cheaper to have someone else do the colonization and a convenient way to remove Jewish people from Britain. Lord Balfor was wildly antisemitic.

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            Lmao. Balfour was a puppey for lord rothschild. The balfour declaration pretty much stated they intended to give palestine to the zionists way before 1948.

            Theodore herzl went to Rothschild and asked for 15 million pounds (over 2 billion in today’s money) to buy Palestine from the ottomans but rothschild refused because why would they pay for it when he already owned the British empire through financial dominance. So he pressured the british to take it from the ottomans and then clandestinely funded all these Zionist terrorist groups to make it prohibitively expensive for the British to maintain their occupation and subsequently hasten the transfer of the land to the Zionists

            Not all people of the jewish faith are Zionists. Many Palestinian jews were slaughtered by Zionists during their terrorism spree before 1948. And there was no such thing as islamic extremism before the 1960’s so zionism created modern islamic extremist terrorism.

            You just seem to choose to believe that history books are factual and unbiased when this is far from the truth. Remember ghislane maxwell’s father who was a Mossad asset was involved in the publishing of school textbooks and maxwell herself was even a moderator on many reddit groups pertaining to world events and current news.

            And today mossad is funding massive social media troll farms to sway public perception and manipulate the narrative when it suits them. Zionism is evil and to say the rothschild family has not been directly involved with zionism since the late 19th century is just ignorant of reality. The Rothschild family has a long history of funding and arming both sides of military conflicts to profit regardless who wins or loses. They definitely have the wealth to use PR to manipulate their public image to their advantage. The whole “anyone who talks bad about the Rothschild family is an antisemitic nazi” is such clever redirecting propaganda. How can someone who is an anti fascist leftist critical of israel Be anti semitic? There are many jewish people who are also critical of israel. Israel is definitely a fascist regime committing genocide and ethnic cleansing and the history of who funded and empowered those responsible for israel’s current crimes against humanity is important to dissect snd investigate regardless who it makes angry. hasbarah is a real tactic used by zionists to attack their critics and the whole “anyone who says this and this or this about israel and or the Rothschild family” is just hasbarah misdirection.

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      Within two years this same plot will play out with Israel backed Morocco in the berm vs Algerian fighters defending the native Western Saharan Sahrawi.

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    That kind of opsec violation makes being a US soldier so dangerous it’s stupid to every person with a brain who could possibly serve here.

    The bad karma for bombing people who attacked one of our warships is nothing (because it’s fair if not brutal) compared to putting every single service member here in danger.

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        It’s not like there hasn’t been (and there isn’t currently) reporting that’s critical of US foreign policy but this kind of foreign policy has been going on continually for our entire lifetimes (and before) There have been protests and complaints. But in the end the vast majority of us care more about our daily lives than some kid in Yemen being bombed, especially when it feels like we can’t do anything about it. So we move on.

        Obviously it’s not right but as a society we’ve all decided we just don’t care enough to do anything about it.

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      Launching a $2 million dollar missile and crushing a few children to death should also be sensational.

      Unfortunately here in America that’s just another Saturday.

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    This is why the leak because people are talking about it which can be covered up and denied by the shitlords and not the actual attack, which is unjustifiable.

    And people continue to think these people are “idiots” and “incompetent” for all these things that they do. All of this is carefully orchestrated and planned to fool the average person. Don’t fall for it. We’re dealing with serious, horribly evil people with a dangerous agenda to rule the world.

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      Yeah, you expect me to believe these groups, that have been collaboratingto seize control of local and federal seats, dismantling rights and chipping away at our freedoms for decades are just some incompetent fools? Pfft, sure.

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      No, my friend, you are wrong. They are idiots. And they are also evil.