I know we generally hate AI and I do for creativity or cutting jobs but chatgpt is really handy for searches like “family attractions near me”. Where I live these events are sporadic and not generally visible on the likes of ticketmaster - even if they were the website is terrible for browsing events.
That’s just a web search, we already have had that for decades and it didn’t require nuclear-powered datacenters
now replace chatgpt with these terms, one by one:
- the internet
- tiktok
- lemmy
- their cell phone
- news media
- television
- radio
- podcasts
- junk food
- money
You go down a list of inventions pretty progressively, skimming the best of the last decade or two, then TV and radio… at a century or at most two.
Then you skip to currency, which is several millenia old.
They’re clearly under the control of Big Train, Loom Lobbyists and the Global Gutenberg Printing Press Conspiracy.
Hell, the written word destroyed untold generations of oral history.
It all went wrong when we switched to bronze. Should have kept to flint.
TIL becoming dependent on a tool you frequently use is “something bizarre” - not the ordinary, unsurprising result you would expect with common sense.
If you actually read the article Im 0retty sure the bizzarre thing is really these people using a ‘tool’ forming a roxic parasocial relationship with it, becoming addicted and beginning to see it as a ‘friend’.
You never viewed a tool as a friend? Pretty sure there are some guys that like their cars more than most friends. Bonding with objects isn’t that weird, especially one that can talk to you like it’s human.
No, I basically get the same read as OP. Idk I like to think I’m rational enough & don’t take things too far, but I like my car. I like my tools, people just get attached to things we like.
Give it an almost human, almost friend type interaction & yes I’m not surprised at all some people, particularly power users, are developing parasocial attachments or addiction to this non-human tool. I don’t call my friends. I text. ¯\(°_o)/¯
I loved my car. Just had to scrap it recently. I got sad. I didnt go through withdrawal symptoms or feel like i was mourning a friend. You can appreciate something without building an emotional dependence on it. Im not particularly surprised this is happening to some people either, wspecially with the amount of brainrot out there surrounding these LLMs, so maybe bizarre is the wrong word , but it is a little disturbing that people are getting so attached to so.ething that is so fundamentally flawed.
Sorry about your car! I hate that.
In an age where people are prone to feeling isolated & alone, for various reasons…this, unfortunately, is filling the void(s) in their life. I agree, it’s not healthy or best.
What the Hell was the name of the movie with Tom Cruise where the protagonist’s friend was dating a fucking hologram?
We’re a hair’s-breadth from that bullshit, and TBH I think that if falling in love with a computer program becomes the new defacto normal, I’m going to completely alienate myself by making fun of those wretched chodes non-stop.
Yes, it says the neediest people are doing that, not simply “people who who use ChatGTP a lot”. This article is like “Scientists warn civilization-killer asteroid could hit Earth” and the article clarifies that there’s a 0.3% chance of impact.
Plumbers too reliant on pipes
I knew a guy I went to rehab with. Talked to him a while back and he invited me to his discord server. It was him, and like three self trained LLMs and a bunch of inactive people who he had invited like me. He would hold conversations with the LLMs like they had anything interesting or human to say, which they didn’t. Honestly a very disgusting image, I left because I figured he was on the shit again and had lost it and didn’t want to get dragged into anything.
Jesus that’s sad
Yeah. I tried talking to him about his AI use but I realized there was no point. He also mentioned he had tried RCs again and I was like alright you know you can’t handle that but fine… I know from experience you can’t convince addicts they are addicted to anything. People need to realize that themselves.
Not all RCs are created equal. Maybe his use has the same underlying issue as the AI friends: problems in his real life and now he seeks simple solutions
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Neat
You can tell by the way that it is!
It’s not often you get all this neatness in one place
people tend to become dependent upon AI chatbots when their personal lives are lacking. In other words, the neediest people are developing the deepest parasocial relationship with AI
Preying on the vulnerable is a feature, not a bug.
These same people would be dating a body pillow or trying to marry a video game character.
The issue here isn’t AI, it’s losers using it to replace human contact that they can’t get themselves.
More ways to be an addict means more hooks means more addicts.
Me and Serana are not just in love, we’re involved!
Even if she’ s an ancient vampire.
You labeling all lonely people losers is part of the problem
If you are dating a body pillow, I think that’s a pretty good sign that you have taken a wrong turn in life.
??? Have you met my blahaj?? How DARE yo u
What if it’s either that, or suicide? I imagine that people who make that choice don’t have a lot of choice. Due to monetary, physical, or mental issues that they cannot make another choice.
I’m confused. If someone is in a place where they are choosing between dating a body pillow and suicide, then they have DEFINITELY made a wrong turn somewhere. They need some kind of assistance, and I hope they can get what they need, no matter what they choose.
I think my statement about “a wrong turn in life” is being interpreted too strongly; it wasn’t intended to be such a strong and absolute statement of failure. Someone who’s taken a wrong turn has simply made a mistake. It could be minor, it could be serious. I’m not saying their life is worthless. I’ve made a TON of wrong turns myself.
Trouble is your statement was in answer to @morrowind@lemmy.ml’s comment that labeling lonely people as losers is problematic.
Also it still looks like you think people can only be lonely as a consequence of their own mistakes? Serious illness, neurodivergence, trauma, refugee status etc can all produce similar effects of loneliness in people who did nothing to “cause” it.
That’s an excellent point that I wasn’t considering. Thank you for explaining what I was missing.
I kind of see it more as a sign of utter desperation on the human’s part. They lack connection with others at such a high degree that anything similar can serve as a replacement. Kind of reminiscent of Harlow’s experiment with baby monkeys. The videos are interesting from that study but make me feel pretty bad about what we do to nature. Anywho, there you have it.
a sign of utter desperation on the human’s part.
Yes it seems to be the same underlying issue that leads some people to throw money at only fans streamers and such like. A complete starvation of personal contact that leads people to willingly live in a fantasy world.
And the amount of connections and friends the average person has has been in free fall for decades…
I dunno. I connected with more people on reddit and Twitter than irl tbh.
Different connection but real and valid nonetheless.
I’m thinking places like r/stopdrinking, petioles, bipolar, shits been therapy for me tbh.
At least you’re not using chatgpt to figure out the best way to talk to people, like my brother in finance tech does now.
That utter-desparation is engineered into our civilization.
What happens when you prevent the “inferiors” from having living-wage, while you pour wallowing-wealth on the executives?
They have to overwork, to make ends meet, is what, which breaks parenting.
Then, when you’ve broken parenting for a few generatios, the manufactured ocean-of-attachment-disorder manufactures a plethora of narcissism, which itself produces mass-shootings.
2024 was down 200 mass-shootings, in the US of A, from the peak of 700/year, to only 500.
You are seeing engineered eradication of human-worth, for moneyarchy.
Isn’t ruling-over-the-destruction-of-the-Earth the “greatest thrill-ride there is”?
We NEED to do objective calibration of the harm that policies & political-forces, & put force against what is actually harming our world’s human-viability.
Not what the marketing-programs-for-the-special-interest-groups want us acting against, the red herrings…
They’re getting more vicious, we need to get TF up & begin fighting for our species’ life.
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And it’s beyond obvious in the way LLMs are conditioned, especially if you’re used them long enough to notice trends. Where early on their responses were straight to the point (inaccurate as hell, yes, but that’s not what we’re talking about in this case) today instead they are meandering and full of straight engagement bait - programmed to feign some level of curiosity and ask stupid and needless follow-up questions to “keep the conversation going.” I suspect this is just a way to increase token usage to further exploit and drain the whales who tend to pay for these kinds of services, personally.
There is no shortage of ethical quandaries brought into the world with the rise of LLMs, but in my opinion the locked-down nature of these systems is one of the most problematic; if LLMs are going to be the commonality it seems the tech sector is insistent on making happen, then we really need to push back on these companies being able to control and guide them in their own monetary interests.
That was clear from GPT-3, day 1.
I read a Reddit post about a woman who used GPT-3 to effectively replace her husband, who had passed on not too long before that. She used it as a way to grief, I suppose? She ended up noticing that she was getting too attach to it, and had to leave him behind a second time…
Ugh, that hit me hard. Poor lady. I hope it helped in some way.
Its too bad that some people seem to not comprehend all chatgpt is doing is word prediction. All it knows is which next word fits best based on the words before it. To call it AI is an insult to AI… we used to call OCR AI, now we know better.
I plugged this into gpt and it couldn’t give me a coherent summary.
Anyone got a tldr?Based on the votes it seems like nobody is getting the joke here, but I liked it at least
Power Bot 'Em was a gem, I will say
For those genuinely curious, I made this comment before reading only as a joke–had no idea it would be funnier after reading
It’s short and worth the read, however:
tl;dr you may be the target demographic of this study
Lol, now I’m not sure if the comment was satire. If so, bravo.
Probably being sarcastic, but you can’t be certain unfortunately.
I know a few people who are genuinely smart but got so deep into the AI fad that they are now using it almost exclusively.
They seem to be performing well, which is kind of scary, but sometimes they feel like MLM people with how pushy they are about using AI.
Most people don’t seem to understand how “dumb” ai is. And it’s scary when i read shit like that they use ai for advice.
People also don’t realize how incredibly stupid humans can be. I don’t mean that in a judgemental or moral kind of way, I mean that the educational system has failed a lot of people.
There’s some % of people that could use AI for every decision in their lives and the outcome would be the same or better.
That’s even more terrifying IMO.
I was convinced about 20 years ago that at least 30% of humanity would struggle to pass a basic sentience test.
And it gets worse as they get older.
I have friends and relatives that used to be people. They used to have thoughts and feelings. They had convictions and reasons for those convictions.
Now, I have conversations with some of these people I’ve known for 20 and 30 years and they seem exasperated at the idea of even trying to think about something.
It’s not just complex topics, either. You can ask him what they saw on a recent trip, what they are reading, or how they feel about some show and they look at you like the hospital intake lady from Idiocracy.
No, no- not being judgemental and moral is how we got to this point in the first place. Telling someone who is doing something foolish, when they are acting foolishly used to be pretty normal. But after a couple decades of internet white-knighting, correcting or even voicing opposition to obvious stupidity is just too exhausting.
Dunning-Kruger is winning.
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I remember when the Internet was a thing people went on and/or visited/surfed, but not something you’d imagine having 247.
I was there from the start, you must of never BBS’d or IRC’d - shit was amazing in the early days.
I mean honestly nothing has really changed - we are still at our terminals looking at text. Only real innovation has been inline pics, videos and audio. 30+ years ago one had to click a link to see that stuff
“must of”
"Must have", not “must of”
Quakenet is still going strong.
30 years ago you couldn’t share video with just a few min and a link. YouTube was not a thing. It took until early 00’s to have shitty webcam connections.
Now you can livestream 8k
Oh brother the Grammar nerds are here, as if that really takes away from what I’m saying.
In the mid and late 90’s people knew how to make videos, they didn’t link a YouTube URL but did post links to where one could find a video online, and IRC has bots that did file transfers, as well as people would use public ftp’s as file dumping grounds.
I’m starting to wonder if you even where there.
Yeah, people had home videos. But no-one was recording themselves talking to a camcorder to then digitise the video and upload it to an ftp server. That would’ve taken literally days.
What you might have is some beyond shitty webcam (after 94 that is, but you said late and mid 90’s) and you might take an image of yourself and send that somewhere.
It’s how I got my first nudes.
What it sounds like to me is that you weren’t actually there but are nostalgic for the period.
Flash animations were popular, actual videos only became commonplace with YouTube, which was founded in 2005.
And even back in 2005, you couldn’t stream something to watch, the connections were so shit. You might be able to download something to watch, but not stream it.
It’s beyond ridiculous to say things haven’t changed in 30 years. 30 years ago personal computers were a novelty, now they’re a necessity.
We had gifs. Video was rare though.
My guy, wtf were you doing in the 90’s on a computer? of course we didn’t have streaming or just stupid useless videos that litter YouTube now, but there were video files all over the place to download and watch. For whatever reason, people were making the time and effort to digitize videos. Mpeg codecs came out in the early 90’s - I specifically remember efnet irc members posting urls to mpegs of Weird Japanese vomit porn. Amiga scene was strong too, (video toaster came out in 1990…). Not really sure why you even feel the need to doubt any of this
My guy, wtf were you doing in the 90’s on a computer?
Playing games.
there were video files all over the place to download and watch.
The amount of some 3 second quicktime clips doesn’t even begin to compare with today’s videos. And you’re pretending like downloading videos on a 56k modem isn’t complete garbage.
Sometimes it would take minutes for a regular html site to load. People were not browsing videos, lol. Maybe in 99 you’d have some sites for the people who had ADSL but a few clips here and there is barely comparable to 30,000 hours of material uploaded to YouTube every hour
Not really sure why you even feel the need to doubt any of this
Because you’re pretending like an incredibly niche experience you had with a thing that doesn’t even begin to compare with today is “exactly the same as it was”. No it’s not. Literally a majority of the world, ~5 billion have a smartphone. Instant access to HD videos, in their pocket, 247.
Back in 1995 there were about 16 million users, now it’s more than 5.5billion. 23,500 websites back in June 95. Now it’s more than 1.1 billion.
I’m not doubting anything. I’m calling bullshit on you pretending like there hasn’t been absolutely massive global change just because you still live in the same garage and have the same keyboard and screen.
Remember when people used to say and believe “Don’t believe everything you read on the internet?”
I miss those days.
I remember when internet was a place
I’m trying to get back to that. Actually close to it now than I was 5 years ago, so that’s cool
I have a desktop and a cheap tablet. The tablet is Wi-Fi only so it’s used a bit like a laptop would be for internet access. I think this is a reasonable amount of usage. Do wish it had slightly better hardware though, struggled with web browsing because modern websites are fucking awful. Lemmy usually doesn’t crash at least. I don’t want a smartphone though. Would rather a Linux tablet but you won’t really find those cheap second hand while you can with Android.
The digital Wilson.
Wake me up when you find something people will not abuse and get addicted to.
The modern era is dopamine machines
Fren that is nature of humanity
Negative IQ points?
chatbots and ai are just dumber 1990s search engines.
I remember 90s search engines. AltaVista was pretty ok a t searching the small web that existed, but I’m pretty sure I can get better answers from the LLMs tied to Kagi search.
AltaVista also got blown out of the water by google(back when it was just a search engine), and that was in the 00s not the 90s. 25 to 35 years ago is a long time, search is so so much better these days(or worse if you use a “search” engine like Google now).
Don’t be the product.
Depending on what I needed I remember using AltaVista, AskJeeves, Dogpile, and I feel like later on MetaCrawler or something like that (would search multiple search engines for you and ordered them scored based on platform and relevancy iirc?)
And sunshine hurts.
