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Conditional approvals - it’s a bribe scheme. Companies can ask for exceptions. Sure they wouldn’t Grease any palms…
They bulit the bribe into the law: “Producers of consumer-grade routers that receive Conditional Approval from DoW or DHS can continue to receive FCC equipment authorizations. Interested applicants are encouraged to submit applications to conditional-approvals@fcc.gov.”
So the application process is “drop us an email and we’ll tell you where to deposit the money.”
Gold colored Trump Router incoming
Dude don’t give them ideas, I live here
TBF the more stupid ideas we give them, the less time they have to do really bad things
like they actually spend time scamming people… they have people for that.
A promise of it not the actual router.
WHAT
I am really fucking glad I recently bought a high-end router, holy shit
FUUUUUUUUCK
Awesome. So what used to be a $50 router is about to be a $150 router. Great.
$150 will get you a mini PC that you can run OPNsense on. Hopefully they don’t ban WiFi access points next.
there is not much wifi access points that are not routers at the same time and i doubt that said regulation would make such a minor a distinction.
also keep in mind that the news articles are specifically talking about tp-link products.
unfortunately we can only guess, because only official document i have found is as vague as the news reports.
https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist
Routers^ produced in a foreign country, except routers which have been granted a Conditional Approval by DoW or DHS.
There are. Just need to shop in the business side of the store and not consumer. At worst pro-sumer.
there are some but they are definitely in the minority. also this regulation is focused on home and soho devices, it specifically mentiones tp-link, which is really not enterprise brand.
also the regulation from what i found is so vague, that i suspect that for the author router equals to “that white box with antenna sitting on my table” and is very likely they have no clue about difference between l2 and l3 layer and what router actually is.
You’re being pretty stubborn about your positions but you’re misinformed/ignorant.
There are SO many Wi-Fi access points that aren’t routers, but a combo router is what most home users buy or get from their ISP. So that’s what you think is “most” when in reality the consumer market is dwarfed by commercial.
TP-Link has Omada which is not as enterprise as CISCO but it definitely supports small and medium sized businesses, which are at the greatest risk to vulnerabilities due to low IT department skills.
Access points and routers are usually separate once you get away from the consumer grade stuff. The people that run OPNsense at home often use MikroTik or Ubiquiti access points.
i don’t think there is single mikrotik that can’t function as a router. the fact you can configure them as software bridge does not change that.
the rest answered here:
there are some but they are definitely in the minority. also this regulation is focused on home and soho devices, it specifically mentiones tp-link, which is really not enterprise brand.
also the regulation from what i found is so vague, that i suspect that for the author router equals to “that white box with antenna sitting on my table” and is very likely they have no clue about difference between l2 and l3 layer and what router actually is.
There are many access points that are not routers.
And it’s going to suck BALLS
If foreign made routers pose a severe cybersecurity risk then why would you let the current ones on the market stay? If they were truly a problem you’d remove them from the market, not grandfather them.
But like everything with this capricious administration the real reason they’re doing this is probably because someone greased their palms.
Honestly it feels like they get their Intel from memes.
doesn’t cover ISP or commercial equipment
The foreign backdoors will stay for critical infrastructure
Landom of free!
Thus assuring the American public of using shitty American made junk filled with who knows what spyware, and paying two or three times what the piece of junk is worth.
So… who’s getting the kickbacks out of this deal? Let me guess… does it wear a lot of orange makeup?
… does America even manufacture routers?
Do they know what a router is ?
We don’t lol
Electronics manufacture of any kind has been heavily outsourced since at least 1995.
That only means we’re going to take over a country that makes routers.
China? Yeah fat chace
Greenfield makes routers right? Or is it Iceland? My hands are Huuuuuge!
It depends on their version the fcc is considering “manufactured”. If they mean it in a literal sense, there’s pretty much just starlink. If they mean it can be an American company but put together overseas then there’s plenty, like Netgear and Linksys.
linksys is owned by foxconn since 2018, the times when they were cheap brand of cisco are long gone.
I think the last time that was the case, they were called modems and made by US Robotics.
Shortly after the chips and components started coming from Japan and eventually Taiwan.
Time to dust off the old US Robotics 14.4k sportster.
Even more isolationism. Knowing how the usa works, they discovered the equipment was set up for spying on their people and they want all of that “spying on their own people” power for themselves.
Yup. That’s basically what happened with TikTok.
they want all of that “spying on their own people” power for themselves.
My assumption as well, after after the video release in the Guthrie case, we know objectively that every device with a microphone or camera and a wireless connection is spying on us and feeding the data to the US government without a warrant too.
Can you link to the evidence from the Guthrie case?
I’ve always figured it was theoretically possible. Interested in any cases of it in the wild.
Here’s one source: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/investigators-wrangled-video-nancy-guthries-google-nest-camera-backend-rcna258460
I’m 100% sure it was Kash’s call, and he was just too stupid to realize what the FBI was inadvertently admitting to by releasing this footage.
Thank you, that’s fascinating. Not exactly aa egregious as a smart phone constantly sending out mic and cam data. But it’s nonetheless interesting Kash is being so open about it. Comes across to me as marketing the idea to the public that “if you let us and corporate America spy on you, we will keep you safe”.
Yup, they followed up with a Super Bowl ad to that effect, and the negative response was so strong that Ring/Amazon immediately walked it back.
This is just their way of saying they want state sponsored backdoors into all private home networks.
Or, guess what, the next thing will be that all new domestically produced routers will require ID verification before they’ll connect.
every 6 hours.
Honestly would’ve fit perfectly in that movie, but the verification can doesn’t have electrolytes.
It’s got what plants crave.
With screenshots of your systems sent and analyzed by ai
They don’t want to, they already have it and just don’t want people to be able to avoid it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act
requiring that telecommunications carriers and manufacturers of telecommunications equipment modify and design their equipment, facilities, and services to ensure that they have built-in capabilities for targeted surveillance
Does the US really make their own routers pretty much all electronics come from the China.
I suspect what’s going to happen is that the components will come from China and then some white label manufacturer will just put them together in the US, therefore they were “made” in the US so are okay. But it’ll be literally the same chips and circuit board and firmware as before.
Won’t even assemble them… they’ll just buy, slap a made in USA and branding sticker, rebox, and sell at a 150% markup
TrumpiFi Gold incoming in 3… 2… 1…
It’ll feature the B, G, N, E, P S T E and I bandwidths.
You can always get your own non-router hardware of significantly higher quality and run PFSense or similar for an end result that blows any consumer grade router out of the water. Unless they start banning all PCs this is the better way to go anyway.
Yes. I run OPNsense and it’s very good, and all you need is a machine with two or more Ethernet ports. But this option is becoming more expensive with the crazy prices of RAM and storage.
You can run pfsense on a gig of memory if you arent using Snort or pfblocker. I had this on a vps for an email gateway, worked fine. Adding block lists or services gooses memory usage though
Consumer grade.
Because if they try and ban cisco they’ll collapse
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But in fact USA and Israel are the countries that spy on anyone. I am more concern about USA and Israel spying than from India and China. In this point in history USA and Israel are the enemy of the world.
All countries spy on each other.
I definitely agree about being more worried about the US spying than China though.
The only reasonable stance in 2026 is any government entity is just as much of a threat to an individual’s well-being and livelihood as a criminal organization.
No one should be spying on you. Not the CCP. Not the US NSA/CIA, not Mossad, not anyone.
I have done a couple similar setups. Fun facts: cell towers have asymmetrical signal and if you are too close, your signal is bad. Those are hard ones to explain to farmers that have towers installed on their properties.
