Doesn’t most of the world already work like this? I have to identify myself to vote in my country, it’s the obvious way to prevent people from voting more than one time.
The key is what id would be acceptable.
They’ll raise the bar until only ids most people (they don’t like) don’t have and they have already destroyed the public service so getting one will ve very very hard and/or expensive
Interestingly, it may backfire on them. For example they cite Real Id or passport.
So passport only people who travel internationally bother to get. The rural MAGAs are less likely to get this.
For Real Id, it’s more likely since that can be done with your license, however most people I know who do not fly have not bothered, because it’s a hassle, they have to find DMV acceptable materials for a feature they don’t even need (if you aren’t flying, you still won’t need real id for much of anything).
I can 100% guarantee that implementation will be left up to the states, and there will be a discretionary level of federal oversight. Rural Louisiana officials will be given leeway to allow votes for people who seem genuine. Meanwhile every single signature will be audited in New Orleans, and a computer glitch will accidentally purge a lot of people. Every town of 350 people will have 4 registration offices, and every large college town will have one office open 10am to 1pm with a 2 hour break for lunch. Registered Republicans will get mail, emails and calls reminding them to register to vote. Democratic party members will get one flyer that gets lost in the mail.
If you think these rules will be applied fairly to all, you’re a sucker.
I live in a country where every citizen automatically receives a government id at the age of 12. We have to bring that id when we go to vote, but even if I were to lose the card at the worst possible time, there are contingency measures to allow me to still cast my vote. The idea is to get as many people as possible to vote, the id card greatly facilitates this process, but it’s not used as a tool to keep people from voting.
In the usa (and the uk, and maybe other countries as well), citizens are not automatically granted an id card. Instead they have to acquire + maintain some accepted means of identifying themselves if they want to vote. And there some Americans saw a great opportunity: what if they made it so that certain minority groups would have a statistically harder time acquiring and maintaining identification that was deemed acceptable? And what if the state government could arbitrarily purge voter lists based on data mined information? The voter id requirements are used not only for facilitating the voting process, but also for suppressing undesired votes.
If you want some examples of usa voter suppression: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States
Yeah I don’t get it either. Every election I voted in I’ve had to have id. It’s been like this for a long time and it hasn’t shifted so that we need proof of ethnicity or some other bs people here are suggesting will happen next.
Are people really not aware of the issues with voter ID laws? Do we really need to go over this basic shit again?
What are these issues? Every other country in the world ids voters.
I’m not Trump fan by any means but it’s hard to argue against voter ID. Americans in general seem to live in 3rd world when it comes to IDs with your social security number shit etc.
We had a whole civil rights movement about it. Jim Crow. MLK Jr. The laws are specifically intended to apply selective enforcement. That is their entire purpose. Why do you think these laws are always proposed by Republicans?
I’m sorry but not implementing ID cards is literally the dumbest way to address this 🙄
And y’all say Americans are dumb. Clearly stupidity is universal.
@drmoose @prole The UK only just brought it in a few years ago, against the advice of the Elec Commission as we don’t really have any fraud and we don’t have universal ID cards so it’s complicated to know what you’d need to bring. Mostly it’s passports or driving licences which relies on people having the cash to drive or travel, and their name matching the voter roll. If someone is turned away for not having ID they might not come back.
Maybe its time to join the 21st century and issue citizen ids?
No wonder identity theft and scams are so rampant in the US.
@drmoose it was discussed in the 00s (in the UK!) but was massively polarising and got dropped. People didn’t like the idea of having to carry something that proved who they are.
That’s just crazy to me. How can society function when people are afraid to identify themselves to officials they should be trusting and relying on.
We have citizen IDs. If you really don’t understand the issue. Open a history book. I’ll even give you a starting point. Read about Jim Crow laws.
Nah that’s not a justification. Just fix your country instead of running away from your problems. Seriously americans are spineless as fuck.
In person voter fraud is so statistically inconsequential that it might as well not exist. The idea that this is meant to prevent voter fraud is preposterous. It’s just pretense.
All this does is create more hurdles for people who already have difficulty voting from decades of disenfranchisement. It’s the goal of these laws, and Republican politicians have literally admitted it.
How do you get an ID if you don’t have an address? They can’t win with policy, and high voter turnout always means the results skew left, so they focus on stopping people of certain demographics from voting altogether.
It’s not about voting fraud but your entire culture being so crippled by fear that you avoid basic societal structures that are accepted as a net positive literally everywhere else. Maybe it’s time to stand up for yourself?
Every election I voted in I’ve had to have id.
I’m currently trying to get my newborn son a passport, as the offices that handle this - SSA, Post Office, etc - are rapidly being dismantled by DOGE. I have no idea how we’ll be able to maintain or renew our documentation in coming years, given that there’s simply not going to be anyone to stamp the forms and mail me renewed papers at this rate.
it hasn’t shifted so that we need proof of ethnicity or some other bs
It specifically has for transgender people. We’ve seen both state and national rules changes that no longer recognize change of gender identity on forms. So a person who shows up to vote with a form that shows “Man” when presenting as a Woman is prime target for disenfranchisement.
We’re also increasingly seeing Hispanic and Arab people targeted for arrest and imprisonment, purely on an individual not currently carrying ID (and - in many cases - despite this fact). It isn’t hard to imagine this persecution continuing into the next election cycle, with DHS agents grabbing people at polling stations.
Thank you for your insight. I hadn’t realized how obtaining an id could be an issue. We just use our driver’s licence (issued by the police) which most of us have already at hand. Wish you and the family all the best.
If this isn’t your line for outright riots America then I struggle to think of what is.
Tik tok ban
Problem is, when the riots do eventually start, there will be no going back. One way or another this will be a completely different country in probably less than a year.
good. let’s get this shit over with.
The bigger problem is when the riots start so does martial law. That is the final step according to project 2025.
When we riot, they will crack down. At BEST it will be a civil war. This isn’t Europe. The US government can, will, and previously has mass-killed protesters. In the US, we can only riot when we are no longer afraid to die. And that’s a big ask of anyone at any time.
This isn’t for control of the presidency but Congress. Unless Congress goes along and rejects the electorates sent by the states, the electoral college works the same. It sets us up for another constitutional crisis where the president gets to say certain Congress people are illegitimate.
then comes proof of ethnicity or something
Land ownership
wouldn’t put it past them to do that. a big hurdle that keeps getting taller.
I think if we get through this, we’ll look back at this in horror… for about 60 years, and then we’ll have a crop of neo-trumpists because no one ever seems to learn anything.
Here’s my general summary of why this is an issue: the US has been denying people the right to vote since day 1. You had to own land to vote in 1788. Half the country seceded and started a civil war that killed more of our citizens than any war since, over the right to own people. The 15th amendment was passed in 1870 to make it so you can’t deny Black people the right to vote, but places made it happen anyway. They made it so you had to pass a “literacy test” with intentionally ambiguous instructions, or pay a poll tax, or one of your grandparents had to have the ability to vote (afaik, the origin of the phrase “grandfathered in”).
These were all legal until the 1960s. Lots of people here have parents who were alive before legislation was passed to end Jim Crow. Without that, the racists that be turned to the War on Drugs, because lots of places take away your right to vote if you’ve been convicted of a felony. They started passing voter ID laws and closing down DMVs in areas with lots of black people and reducing their hours. A politician in Wisconsin bragged after the 2016 election that these laws here threw the state to Trump. They’ve also started banning giving food and water to people in line to vote and throwing out mail-in votes that show up after election day.
This isn’t about election security and it never has been; voter fraud has never changed an election in the country’s history. The real election fraud is in suppressing people’s votes and fucking with voting machines (2004) and having allies in positions of power to throw the election your way (2000). There’s more than that too, but it’s a tangent.
I mean I would argue the whole system of having to show up in person to a place to vote on a non-holiday day and wait in a long line is in of itself a way to stop poorer people from voting. I’ve lived in a state with only mail in voting for my whole life and as result we have some of the highest voter turn out. It makes sense the Republicans want to do everything they can to to alter that as the harder they make it for poorer people to vote the better their odds of winning are.
100% agreed
This will get shot down faster than there can even be controversy. Founding fathers would be rolling in their graves, and there‘s no way the Supreme Court can squeeze that kind of interpretation out of the Constitution.
That being said, it may give some state legislators cover to go with it.
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Founding fathers would be pissed that [slur removed] are voting. The constitution was written to oppress these people.
I wish that were true
Less of an overhaul, more of a keelhaul
Gonna be proof of Republican Party soon
What are elections for if not selecting your favorite republican ^/s^
If you want to go full dystopian…
Party assigned at birth (PAAB) based on family, ethnicity, economic background, and other social factors present when the child is born. PAAB designation must be present on ID, birth certificate, and citizenship at all times. Any attempt to hide or misrepresent PAAB will be considered felony fraud pending investigations into any extremist relations contributing to the offense. PAAB may only be changed by government application via relocation and re-education facilities. Following the abolition of the US voting system, government representatives will be automatically chosen based on majority PAAB demographic.
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Shall we sow stars on our clothes as well?
Pink triangles for the queer folk
Only if you want them to sprout.
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
The Constitution leaves the matter of election of electors to the states.
The voter stealer wants fix elections to prevent further vote thefts. Irony.
Hear we go guys. Hold the line!
Huh? We are presented with a choice between doing something and the end of democracy. Way I see it, its the system’s fault for putting bad choices in front of me, and the choices are, uh… equivalent, according to my internet sources. Maybe I’ll sit it out again.
/s for the gifted triggered ones
But what about that president from Kenya?
Elections are STATE things, right? Is he nationalizing elections?
