Summary

Despite Trump’s 2024 warnings of a market crash under Biden, the S&P 500 is experiencing its worst start to a presidential term in modern history under him, dropping ~15% since Inauguration Day.

This plunge, largely attributed to Trump’s aggressive tariff policies announced post-election (“Liberation Day”), is pushing the market toward bear territory faster than any predecessor since 1957.

The Nasdaq is already in a bear market, and economists increasingly warn the tariffs could trigger a recession impacting widespread stock ownership.

  • Lexam@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    I luurve how they cherry pick this. Yeah modern history sure, but what about ancient history!?

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    2 years ago

    I’d show conservatives statistical data proving beyond doubt that Republicans are historically bad for our economy, but all I’d get in return are blank stares and drooling. So what’s the point?

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      2 years ago

      “You’re so stupid, do you only look at charts? There’s a lot more to it than data, Trump is making decisions you can’t even comprehend. You don’t understand the greater plan, you can’t always be nice to other countries, we can’t bail out Canada and Ukraine if we want to be great.” Probably that from the “smarter” ones, blank stares and drooling from most.

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      2 years ago

      In this case, it’s so very stark, though. Donvict was handed maybe one of the best economies we’ve seen in a very long time, and he absolutely burned it down.

      It was 100% him. And there is no one else to blame and no other cause.

      And the Republicans LET HIM DO IT, too.

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      The time for dialogue is over. The party of ‘facts over feelings’ have proven to be incapable of proper reasoning.

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    Start? I though this was ending the market. If I could travel in time to 1882/1896, I would explain it to the founding slave owners like this: basically you tell people to invest, they give you all their money and as soon as they’re about to retire, just tell them the markets lost so you can keep the money! Yeah, they think they’re free and we do have personal flying vehicles now.

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    2 years ago

    Erdoğan did very similar things, went completely opposite to known economic theories all the while claiming he is an economist. he kept reassuring people that he was freeing Turkey from economic abuse of other countries and that things would be great in a couple years. Now go check the turkish lira to the dollar exchange rate for the last five years. Add on top of the fact that we virtually import everything (including seeds, manure, petrol etc) needed for production of basic essential goods, you can guess how bad the Turkish people are getting it.

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      2 years ago

      We have Peter Navarro, er “Ron Vara” and donvict playing America’s version of economic Lysenkoists…it will take longer for the likes of Bobby Brainworm’s Lysenkoism to start killing more Americans than donvict did during Covid.

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      What worries me most is that it - and other bullshit - didn’t result in his removal or overthrow. People are just taking it.

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      They are pretty conservative now though. It sounds liberal but they slip misinformation and doubt in to make everyone more moderate. Plus sensational claims that lend credibility to right wing critique. That shit works like a charm on my parents, they’ll say “we hate Trump. But you have to admit Joe Biden wasn’t fit for office, he had classic early dementia… Kamala just didn’t seem experienced enough”. They voted Democrat but there’s more doubt and misinformation now, they’re smart people too ☹️

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    2 years ago

    By design, bubble would pop at some point, no all the money from his grifts, meme coin, djt, gold card… etc will be used to by larger parts of public companies ensuring his power and wealth will last.

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        2 years ago

        Ugh, yeah, that’s true. I’m optimistic that it’ll die with him because I figure no one else could possibly be this shitty, but he’s probably just opening the door for someone who will do more damage.

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          The only way we don’t end up with worse is if it ends so badly for him that all the other scumbags-in-waiting decide to pick a different career path.

          That seems incredibly unlikely. The only chance to stop it without massive, era-defining pain, suffering, and bloodshed would be a stunning and complete mid-term rout that guaranteed successful impeachment for Trump and Vance as well as the Supreme Court.

    • JohnnyFlapHoleSeed@lemmy.worldBanned
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      People trust their account balances. You’re about to see how quickly retardlicans can turn on their owner. Unless of course they’re all dickless cowards…

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          What scares me is if/when everyone is furious at these motherfuckers - they are going to need a distraction, and they are going to use every fascist trick in the book to do that. Get ready for more scary B reel of scary dark immigrants in caravans, tales of scary “antifa” attacking upright citizens and cops, “burning cities to the ground”, and so we will be told there is no choice but to declare martial law.

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    2 years ago

    “Bear” and “Bull” as terms are so cringe and I can’t put my finger on why.

    I think I just associate them with grifters and idiots.