Lol you have to win first. Holding trials in absentia of a sovereign nation with no teeth is meaningless lip service. Fight back and win first, then you can pat yourselves on the back bringing justice.
Lol at Trump thinking he can treat the world however the fuck he wants all while keeping the good will and soft power we have spent the decades since WWII building. What a damn tool, we are not getting that soft power back for years now after his escapades, if EVER
You need one of those even more for Israel, but the British political elites are active and willing accomplices in that specific Genocide.
One rule for some, another for others…
Hypocrisy is very much the core trait of the British upper classes.
Whataboutism
Racist child murder supporting hypocrisy.
Nah, last I checked I thought Russians kidnapping of Ukrainian children was abhorrent which is the subject matter of this post. The constant Palestine supporter “but what about xyz” is nonsensical, all genocides are disgusting and the fact action is being taken even on just one of them is nothing but good news. Dont let perfect be the enemy of good.
Look mate
- “Russia bad and Israel bad” would be the Principled, Humanitarian stance.
- “Russia bad” whilst not only these people do not deem Israel bad, but they’re actually sending weapons used to murder civilians in Gaza, is just Propaganda. It’s not a principled stance, it’s like Greenwash but for Humanitarianism: using the words of Humanitarianism on the things were it happens to align with your goals whilst doing the very opposite when it doesn’t.
This kind of performative “Humanitarianism” and “International Rule Of Law” actions (hardly a monopoly of the Brits but, damn, they’re some of the biggest practitioners of the whole thing) heavy on the is what reinforces outside the West the impression that the words of Western leaders are bullshit and cannot be trusted.
This kind of haughty proclamations but only applying some not others, actually weakens the principle of International Rule Of Law and overall makes it less likely that Justice in such affairs actually happens.
Do you believe that your messaging helps the people of Palestine? is this the best way you can think of to gather international support for a cause that is dear to you?
I am positive. Your message is not accomplishing the goals that you want. Unless you wanted to further isolate the Palestinian people from the care of the rest of the world, maybe tone down the rhetoric a bit. It’s coming off quite psychotic like someone who would support kidnapping and torturing and raping and you know all the things that they do in Palestine to LGBT people
I believe that a real, strong and fair International Rule Of Law would help Palestine and that the two-weights-two-measures kind of Propaganda used of performative “International Rule Of Law” detracts from it Globally being real, strong and fair.
I don’t think a performative demand for “Justice except if the perps are our mates” from the most hypocrite country leadership around will advance the cause of International Rule Of Law even when it comes to the Russian invasion of Ukraine because it just reinforces the impression outside the West that the “Justice” of the West isn’t really Just or even honest - it’s a great way to (as is it’s only real objective) to get kudos from a certain crowd that abhors what Russia is doing whilst not having a tendency to look beyond the superficial in a skeptical way for even the words one agrees with, but comes with the secondary side effect that people in all those nations out there which are not aligned in this specific subject just become more suspicious of Western words and motivations and hence less likely to cooperate.
Such performative statements for local political gains neither advances the cause of Global Humanitarianism nor the cause of International Rule of Law, probably the opposite.
Such idea would much better be voiced by a different country (say, Spain), not one practicing the very opposite of what it preaches and with quite a long tradition of being double-faced.
If I am a country who have deal with Russia, and then UK comes and say “war crime, genocide … etc” and “you are not allowed to have deal with russia” while at the same time they are providing Israel with weapon and intel that make people fly 20m in the sky and kids walk inhaling cement if they survive looking for the parents, I would ignore the UK and say fuck off.
The funny bit is that I don’t at all disagree with the idea of an international independent special court for the crimes of Russia in Ukraine.
I just think the UK shouldn’t be involved in it in any way form or shape, because for anybody who hasn’t been living in the middle of the British Propaganda environment (or pro-Zionist propaganda like in the US) British Governments are painfully double-faced.
This idea coming from the Spaniards or the Irish would be great and far more likely to be taken seriously by stakeholders worldwide because at least those two can’t be accused of having different standards for different combinations of Genociders and victims.
By making this statement, likely for local political propaganda purposes (both to help shore-up support on their Left for what is a pretty Rightwing New Labour Government and for the usual “See, Britain is an important player in the world!” political performance so common there) the British Government might have just made such a thing less likely to happen rather than more.
See, now that was really well spoken. I can’t argue with any of that. You’re absolutely right. This a compelling arguement I can get behind. That is a much better way to point out the hypocrisy, and voice your frustration. This makes me want to support palestine. The former makes me want to support Isreal. I really hope that the pro-palestine crowd can learn to temper their anger and strengthen their arguments like you just did. Well done. This is one of those internet interactions that left me with a smile.
Thank you.
I confess I had a extra angry knee-jerk reaction since I lived over a decade in the UK and during that time the whole relentless abused of this kind of forked-tongue hypocrisy in local politics really climbed to be one of the things I most detest - it’s a sneaky slimy way of using discourse for personal gain that often indirectly harms those one loudly claims to be defending: a form of sociopathy but not of the violent kind.
Oh I know, we live in a world full of Nazi double-speak. I want to verbally headbutt people too. Not enough time in the day to sort through everyones words and intentions, so it’s easy to make quick judgements. I’ve been pro-palestine and vocal about the conflict for 20 years. I can relate to all the kids who are passionate about it now, because it reminds me of me 20 years ago. I can also see the cause being high-jacked by bad actors. You are clearly not one, but you have to set a good example for the younger kids. Having followed the changing dialogues for over 20 years between all the involved nations, there are good ways to talk about this and bad ways. If we want change we need to change the messaging and focus the energy on meaningful realistic changes.
I don’t know if I can ever forgive the “genocide Joe” crowd who seem to be okay with genocide if trump does it for a hotel.
Google what an unhelpful walrus is and do not return here
No because Brits are involved in Israels genocide and can be held accountable.
Britain is not involved in Russia’s invasion nor supporting their war crimes.
Why not just throw Britain in your imaginary tribunal as well. Didn’t they place Israel in their territory and start the war 80 fucking years ago. Are you going to try Hamas and Iran for the crimes against humanity too or is that just fine in imagination land?
Two countries didn’t sign that agreement. Who cares what the US and israel think about it. However just like a low functioning sovereign citizen I hope both current leaders are subject to that court despite their disbelief in it validity.
Let’s go UK.
Can we add Israel?
“Despite?” Should be “in light of”
Britain is a fucking joke.
Wonder why they are holding trials for the war crimes which their own politicians are not involved in, and not for the genocide which their own politicians are involved in.
How about Nuremberg style trials for the Trump administration?
How about Nuremberg style trials for
the Trump administrationall USA administrations in the last 50 years?OK but the current one is shaping up to be way, way, way worse.
As an American, I support both.
Now this is the galaxy brain response right here 😉
as Russian assets, they would qualify
Ya know…
When it’s comes out in the wash and these fuckers have cuffs on in the mean time, their Russian ties will put them in prison alone. Wild thought, hope it happens.
Por que los dos?
Agreed, do Trump next! Although, we should do Russia first, as I think what will turn up during that investigation is going to be… very relevant.
It’s more likely he’ll get assassinated even though it won’t save democracy in the US.
It’s more likely he’ll get assassinated Of course. He caused a lot of very rich and powerful people to lose a lot of money and power. Putin, may even decide to eliminate Krasnov.
Why would he do that?
Putin is getting everything he wants from Trump.
- Diplomatic support against Ukraine.
- Captured & subverted Russia’s historical enemy, the GOP
- Wrecked the trust of all of the USA’s allies (except Israel, go figure).
- Devalued the dollar in a week.
- Upended the global trade system that was “rigged” against Russia.
- Attacking the same outgroups (LGBTQ, minorities) that Russia attacks.
- Causing the upcoming food shortage in the USA via deportation & ending subsidies.
- Quiet quitting NATO.
Just watch, by this time next year, Trump will have replaced timber from Canada with timber from Russia.
Entire gov top to bottom. We’ve needed to clean house and obviously we the people’s voice isn’t being heard. I’m all for a 3rd part to intervene.
Yep, we clearly can’t get the job done ourselves. It’s time for the grown-ups to intervene.
How about for the American government in general?
100%!!!
I’m guessing Trump would be against that as well.
YES!
Who gives a shit if Trump is in opposition when they (we, I’m American) are purposely fucking up global trade?
FUCK 47, HE BELONGS AT THOSE TRIALS TOO, IN SHACKLES, AND WITH A GUY WITH A NOOSE MEAN MUGGING HIM
The fastest way to tell if something is the right thing to do is to ask whether or not Orange Julius Caesar opposes it.
Perhaps Britain should look in the mirror.
The tin-foil hat person inside me is screaming that Putin directed Trump to destroy the economy and all our alliances. If he manages to fire Powell, I think he’s accomplished his goals in less than 100 days.
It looks so obvious that this is what is happening it’s crazy.
It’s completely insane that so many people are in denial about this. It’s clear as fucking day that that’s what’s happening right now.
I just want to see who profits most off any rebound. Follow the money because that is all they value. Number must go up.
Its not tin-foil hat, it’s Putin. Its always Putin, using Skum and HitlerPig as his muscle.
When will people truly internalize that the two biggest foreign Sociopathic Oligarchs, have partnered up with the most prolific traitor in American history? None of them have any loyalty or patriotism toward America, and only see us as a big, rich, fat, lazy target to be ruthlessly exploited and looted, and it’s happening in real time before our eyes.
All they care about is money, and either Putin is paying them directly out of the Russian Treasury (HitlerPig would rape and murder his own mother for far less than a billion bucks, and Putin could order a lot more than that), or they’ve cut a deal to split the booty like the pirates they are.
“It’s not paranoia, if they really are out to get you.”
Why, what have you heard?
Occam’s Razor says the same thing.
This is far, far past incompetence.
