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Is this a tariff thing? Like is it suddenly more expensive to license Windows, hence pushing OEMs to offer discount options?
Lenovo is at least partially Chinese.
No, Lenovo has offered Ubuntu and at times other distributions preinstalled, for many years. It’s only on a small number of models.
I don’t think they did it at a $200 discount before.
There is no discount, you are simply not paying for a windows license.
But before if you didn’t want Windows, I think Lenovo just pocketed the change.
And OEMs don’t pay anywhere reat retail for a Windows key.
This. $200 is what raised my eyebrows, Windows should not cost them that much when it’s usually “standard”
200 off is incredible
Aint no way people pay 211$ for that adware, spyware piece of shit operating system. Thats wild.
It’s even more wild because a few years ago, buying the OS on its own was half that price.
Some time ago i checked some polish stores to compare W11 vs Linux / no OS prices and i found out that the difference isn’t flat and it’s actually about ~10% of product price (so the more expensive the notebook is - the higher the price of W11 is)
That’s absolutely fucked.
When I was getting my PC they tried to upsell me for a 250€ windows license even if I insisted I didn’t need one x3
When https://massgrave.dev/ exists it’s even worse.
I think this tax on tech illiterate people is getting too high.
Should I start selling USB drives for $5? I don’t wanna encourage Windows. But I feel bad for the normies. $211 is insane.
MS literally allows massgrav on GitHub. They have for years. They do not give a fuck.
Paying for windows at this point is a normie tax. And it’s gotten too damn high!
I hope more OEMs start showing the price like this during configuration. People would probably think A LOT harder about using Windows if they were offered a $200 discount for trying something else…
It’s 60€ in my region.
The German store doesn’t offer Fedora, but also gives 60 Euro off if you order no OS. I tried X1 Gen 10 and 13.
“By Grabthar’s hammer… what a savings”
He fit so much disgust and defeat into the delivery of that line. Absolute perfection.
Wait, I had to do a double take. I thought they were charging $200 extra for Fedora and Ubuntu. They could consider sending some money to those distros for development which would still be cheaper than buying windows.
Where?
Woah! Never seen this in France, ever. You can even get it os-free!
“Système d’exploitation” feels like an apt description of Windows 11 😆
How much for a society without an exploitation system?
Priceless, but out of stock.
Wait, “operating system” in French is “système d’exploitation”? That’s particularly funny next to Windows 11 offers.
Oh nice, and down $200? Yes please
They’d have to discount at least twice that amount for me to get the Ubuntu install, though.
*use
Both, really.
I thought they’d done this for years (on certain Thinkpads anyway)? Still I’d rather install my own than trust Lenovo to install it for me.
Yes they have. They are a bit inconsistent on what’s available, sometimes no linux version at all. The x1 gen 13 doesn’t offer it last I checked.
Oh those price tags make me happy
Can’t wait to see how they manage to fill fedora with bloatware too
You’d still be able to just reinstall Linux, and save money in the process. And simply having the option available will probably help get Linux to some users that aren’t overly tech savvy
Now if only Asus did that as wel, then we’d be balling
Awesome, I wish more computer manufacturers did this and actually gave you the ability to choose the OS to ship your PC with, especially with how much cheaper it is to not include Windows with activation. Wow.
It’s -$140 in my area. Additionally, the 2 other models I picked first didn’t have that option at all.
you save 200$ by not having window$ in it?
Depends on the country the computer is being sold in. Microsoft has different pricing structures per country and the OEM selling the computer pays down the line based on sales numbers. That’s the main way MS Windows makes money. The price of Windows has always been part of the computer’s price. It’s a tiny minority of users who pay directly to MS for a windows license. Even businesses prefer the computer comes preinstalled with the OS.
No, you don’t get a cheaper computer if windows is cheaper in your country, final numbers are decided at the accounting level, not the point of sale. But, if they don’t have to pay MS anything, they can offer a cheaper laptop to the you, the end user.
That’s still money saved, the less money to M$ the better
Shipping it with Linux is the easiest way to convince a consumer that it does run Linux. :)
Fedora is better than Ubuntu?
Ubuntu fucking sucks, every distro is better than Ubuntu
I’m using Linux mint, I think it’s build on Ubuntu. It’s all i know, but I hear arch is awful for beginners.
Ubuntu is based on Debian so regular Mint is actually 2 levels down from upstream. But Mint has started offering a Debian base recently called LMDE if you want to check it out.
As for whether Arch is bad for beginners. Kinda. It’s a DIY distro, assuming you can follow tutorials and guides it’s pretty straight forward, especially with the archinstall script. But if you’re uncomfortable with a terminal install, you can try out EndeavourOS which features a full gui install and a few tweaks to make it easier on beginners.
I’m not unhappy.
Mint attempts to reverse questionable changes made in Ubuntu, which makes it good again
I currently main Fedora. It is reasonably stable and reasonably cutting-edge. I’m happy about it.
Yes
- It has more up to date packages (while being reasonably stable), their implementation of gnome is essentially vanilla so its easier to build off of as a base (unless you like Ubuntus extensions and fonts but tbh you can always add those yourself)
- Their KDE edition (starting from the recently released version 42) is no longer a spin so it should get as much attention as Workstation (Gnome)
- DNF is arguably much better than APT and especially with the new improvements its seen
- Fedora handles snapshots much better (btrfs)
- There are more extensive third party repos on fedora
- They dont shove snaps down your throat
I switched a while go and haven’t regretted it.
It depends. In my experience it’s less stable but has newer packages.
Generally yes
I’m sure there are opinions both ways. I think the reason Fedora is the headline is because it is the more recent addition. Lenovo has had an Ubuntu option on some machines for a few years now. Fedora is a fairly recent addition.
Wow. $211 is a steep discount. People are going to buy with Linux just to save money, some will try it (because it is there), and some may like it and stay.
At the very least, people may learn that Windows is no easier to install (or even harder).
They always refused to reimburse the cost of Windows licences before this even if it was illegal in the country you lived in. I’m very surprised.
The market is shifting…
For at least half a decade I’ve been seeing computers - both brand-name laptops as well as custom built desktops - sold with FreeDOS as default, and you have to pay extra for Windows.
The most important part is that you wouldn’t get a pc with an instant desktop experience that would just let you just boot up and go to Facebook or whatever, so it had little chance of actually harming Microsoft.
This may actually change things!
This may help them absorb the tarrifs by advertising it at current rates while raising the price by 200 bucks.
I paid about $100 less to have my workstation shipped with Ubuntu instead of Windows 10 Pro 3 years ago. United States.
