Yeah this is pretty fucking blatant
Senators, governors, and mayors of “sanctuaries” are going to be close behind.
Once the non-loyal judges are imprisoned, everyone else who isn’t white and Republican will also be on the chopping block.
I wonder if militias need to grow because I believe Trump will use everything in his power to destroy the liberals and any opposing force. Military could soon fraction and people will take sides, as one party wants to protect the constitution while the others oppose. Remeber our country was born based on the constitution…We are on the right side of history cause it reflects core American values. You decide to errode that then your not a true American. They will always be traitors considering they are freely defying the constitution now…fuck them and I cant wait til their day comes.
America, this is your five alarm fire. If everything else wasn’t enough to get you moving, dear God please let this be it.
Get out and protest. Get talking to the other people at those protests. Build your network. You’re going to need it for what is coming.
This is not okay.
This is a coup
And thus, the Night of Long Knives begins.
The problem with the MAGA/Nazi comparison is not that MAGA isn’t as evil, it’s that they’re less competent.
it’s that they’re less competent
Not sure if that’s true actually, the Nazis were supremely incompetent as well. It just doesn’t take that much competence to smash a delicate balance like the separation of powers. You basically need control of one the three branches of government and you are good to try, Trump controls two and this news is about him smashing the third.
And why is that a problem? It sounds like a hindrance to them, which is a definite good thing.
Stupid is not the same as harmless. They routinely harm themselves gleefully. They can’t comprehend the full consequences of their own actions. That makes them dangerous.
There are many flavors of stupid, many of them are just plain evil.
I didn’t say they were harmless. I said their incompetence only helps their opposition.
The Nazis were more competent and still lost. How would being less competent than that help them in any way?
They are causing generational damage to the country. Just because their incompetence doesn’t help them doesn’t mean it isn’t still hurting us. That’s the opposite of helping.
Again, I never said they weren’t causing harm. You’re conflating the concepts of aid and beneficence.
Trump and his ilk being in power is not beneficial to the country, but their sheer stupidity in attempting to achieve their goals aids their opposition in stopping them.
And you’re not understanding the type of harm idiots do as opposed to smart evil people. Take immigration. A smart evil person might revoke visas and deport illegal aliens for small things not previously done. They could do this while shielding themselves legally by working within the constraints of the law. The opposition would be powerless because they stay within the law. These ass clowns are deporting legal aliens to countries they have been explicitly protected from being sent to, detaining US born citizens, threatening to deport people to countries they have no connection to, and myriad other completely illegal and unconstitutional things. In a perfect world the opposition could hold them accountable in court. But the opposition is still trying to fight “fair” and twiddling their fucking thumbs.
So this abso-fucking-lutely is not a good scenario because they are stupid. Way more harm is being done and the opposition isn’t doing a fucking thing.
Nah, this is more akin to the Gleichschaltung. The Night of the Long Knives was the Nazis purging their own.
I disagree- I think Gleichschaltung has been underway since day one. This is a much more heinous overstep of the executive branch, imo
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It doesn’t have to match. It just has to rhyme.
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Unarmed liberals need to think about arming themselves.
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We are a long way off from getting rid of capitalism. Best to deal with the liberals and work toward moving left from there. The US has a long way to go.
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If it’s true. These could be manufactured charges. I don’t trust Patel or the Trump administration to be honest about that.
Patel in his tweet wrote that the FBI believes Dugan “intentionally misdirected federal agents away” from Ruiz as agents were attempting to arrest him at her courthouse.
“Thankfully our agents chased down the perp on foot and he’s been in custody since, but the Judge’s obstruction created increased danger to the public,” Patel said in the post.
And they all clapped at the end.
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That’s if they give the judge due process, and don’t just immediately claim she’s guilty- kinda like they’re doing to people they’re deporting already. Not a stretch to just skip her due process at this point.
We can play what-if all day long, but that doesn’t make it true.
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That’s just the official language. They may not kill her, but they are going to remove anyone that gets in their way is what this says to me.
They’re going to use her as an example for the justification to arrest other judges as well. This is unprecedented and is going to lead to open violence in the streets.
Thee is not going to be a violent uprising people are to comfortable and lazy.
Fuck off with this rhetoric, please. While we aren’t going around torching ICE/cop vehicles and rioting, it doesn’t mean we aren’t doing anything at all. From protesting with millions across the country and world, to gun purchases and training, to local community outreach and support, things are not stationary.
The world news media is focused on the administration and pussyfooting around the lies and manipulation the administration keeps spewing, there’s no media clicks to be had for preparation stories. It’s not to the point of violence in the streets, yet, but that doesn’t mean we aren’t preparing for the possibility.
You wanna be shitty toward the American government as a Canadian, I’m all for it. But please don’t conflate this administration with the American population at large. We are not our government and despite no news coverage, we are not idle.
She asked the ICE agents to wait for the end of the hearing to arrest him.
So they arrested her.
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Archive.is link to CNN story to get around paywall
Kash Patel also took down the statement claiming she misdirected them.
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It’s like a program and it concerns me.
Do you mean pogrom?
Loading my firearms as we speak
Mine stay loaded. 6 mags for the rifle. It seems like overdoing it to my wife but I will not go to a camp. The shit RFK has proposed puts people like me in danger, even though I’m a cis straight white male. Even if I wasn’t on the list so to speak, I would be armed and ready because the people they have targeted are my countrymen. Citizen or not.
Fucking idiot racists can’t get it through their heads that they’re not going to stop with brown and trans people.
Hey guys, it’s a really good sign when judges are getting arrested, right? Very normal and functioning country? 😬
Increased danger to the public?
If dude was already out and about and minding his business, dude continuing to be out and about keeps the amount of danger just about the same.
He was also not out and about and minding his business, he was already in the courthouse in front of the judge. There was no danger to the public because he was at the courthouse. If anything, ICE created the danger by chasing him out of the courthouse and escalating the situation.
This is a clear authoritarian signal and power grab, but trying to think practically since I’m getting exhausted with my own powerless exasperation with nothing to show for it:
To get an arrest warrant, you typically would need a judge to sign off on it. So either (a) another judge signed the warrant to arrest this judge, or (b) they falsely arrested the judge without a proper warrant.
I think (b) is possible with how slipshod Trump officials are, but more likely they followed the letter if not the spirit of the law, so (a). That suggests that there may be a pocket judge signing spurious warrants for Patel. This also makes more sense, since they likely need cover when assisting ICE, so they’d want someone in that role.
So in a healthy system, first would be Congress forcibly removing Patel. Probably every GOP congressperson’s response here will be “I haven’t heard about that, now I’ll walk away down this hall casual-like because frankly nobody is going to hold me accountable.” The other less direct approach would be to identify this judge then there may be a removal process. What other things can be done here short of revolution?
The article doesn’t mention anything about a warrant. If there is a warrant, there is a record of the judge that signed it.
And that judge would have to have jurisdiction I think. So in either case, the answer is be prepared for shit
Edit: She was released on bond, meaning a judge validated the warrant, meaning there’s a warrant, and a judge who signed it. This is bad.
This is how civil war starts. If the judiciary starts issuing arrest warrants over this unlawful kidnapping, they may need to deputize officers that are not under the control of the trump admin which could pit our armed forces against each other. Best case scenario is the judiciary finds the arrest unlawful and the FBI backs down because they’re being threatened with contempt.
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You’re not wrong, but this has nothing to do with the armed forces. I went down a rabbit hole at one point regarding what a “duly sworn” officer is. My conclusion was that if a judge needed to have someone arrested, they can reach out to any public police officer who has sworn an oath to the Constitution. Each state has its own groups of duly sworn law enforcement officers, and if a Federal judge doesn’t trust the US Marshals (who are part of the DoJ) they can likely reach our to State or local police to enforce their orders.
That’s the problem. If a deputized officer that is part of a local police force or national guard ends up having to arrest members of the DoJ, it could result in a standoff and give an excuse to our Cheeto in chief to declare martial law. I really fucking hope that doesn’t happen or that our generals force him to back down but I very much see that as a possibility.
I mean, you do understand that the Judiciary being the ones to push back is the only legal & constitutional route we can get out of this, right?
I hate to say it, but while Trump himself is pretty weak and just in it to save himself & for money, many of the people around him want nothing but power. And they are using Trump for that since he somehow continues to enthrall the populous.
Besides hoping the administration willingly decides to stop & undo the things it’s doing, I personally think the judiciary pushing back is the only thing you should hope for. In my eyes, it is the only path left with any chance of nonviolence, besides again, a willing change.
Do you have an alternative for me?
At what point did I say we need to capitulate to these motherfuckers? The only way we’re going to end this is fighting back. I mean EVERYONE including the judiciary.
I fear the majority of trigger-pullers are pro-trump and pro-deportation, no matter where they live. I fear that “revolution” will entail the United States’ progressives getting absolutely brutalized until the regime seizes total control.
Valhalla before El Salvador.
They may be able to defend the farmland but they won’t be able to hang when it gets to urban combat.
Learn how to use the tools at your disposal y’all.
you might be surprised. there are those who are very open about owning weapons, but there are just as many who do not flaunt what they’re equipped with. there are still lots of reasons left-leaning people might own guns, like hunting, self defense, pure hobby shooting, etc. i think progressive people have been stereotyped as anti-gun because they tend to be anti-kids-getting-shot-in-school, but they’re not quite the same thing.
it’s possible progressive might be out-gunned, but it’s by no means a guarantee.
I’m talking about the police, the federal agents, national guardsmen and regular army. The people who are ostensibly trained to shoot people. I don’t know if there is enough sympathy in the establishment to mount a meaningful resistance. I don’t like our odds if they mount a united front against a disparate population of scared but armed civilians, banal arguments about drone strikes and such aside.
good point and not something to be trivialized. it would be devastating and the toll to life and limb would be high. but i take solice in the fact that even then, they’d be greatly outnumbered by non-establishment citizenry. im just saying it wouldnt be a landslide victory and theyd face a (probably) reasonably well equipped guerilla resistance force that wouldnt just fade away.
side note, i also find the drone arguments to be kind of irritating. technically yes they could carpet bomb the US and drone strike every apartment building where some resistance leader is living, but then they’d just be the king of a wasteland.
I’ve always wondered if there is a measurable difference in shooting proficiency between the left and right politically. The majority of lefties I know who shoot are pretty well trained, took classes, take safety very seriously etc… A not small chunk of the right I see at the range literally scare me with how they shoot. And those are the righties that actually practice.
The armed lefties might be outnumbered, but they might be better trained.
I’m no expert, but I feel like anybody who hasn’t faced actual, real combat involving guns is just going to shit themselves and fire wildly the first time they do face it - that’s if they don’t just take off running or faint instead. And most people on both sides of the political fence haven’t ever faced real combat.
I have read a lot of war memoirs, and the one common thread running through all of them is that a soldier/pilot/gunner/whatever is utterly useless their first few times in battle, regardless of their training.
Anarchist gun owner here. Yep. Granted mine are mostly WW1 era pieces of history and others are nerdy but yeah… there are lefties out there who are properly legally licensed.
Liberal gun owner here, yup.
Wife wanted to get me a tactical looking cross body bag but I was like, “nah, I need something Italian, leather, and looks like I keep my lip balm in it instead of my gun”.
Qualified immunity applies to the executive branch, not to the judiciary. Cops aren’t getting arrested for this.
I know trumpers won’t ever hear about this or if they do it will be a completely twisted story and they’ll think the judge shot at the ice agents or something but the amount of mental effort it has to take to not see this as a tinpot dictator move is unbelievable. It’s hard to believe people this dumb walk among us and go to work and everything
First they came for the immigrants, But I said nothing, Because I’m not a filthy immigrant.
Then they came for the protestors, But I said nothing, Because protesters are libtards.
Then they came for the judges and politicians, But I said nothing, Because they are all corrupt and evil.
Then they came for the minorities, But I said nothing, Because they deserve it!
And then they came for me, Because I was a gullible tool.
- A future MAGAT survivor.
They would never admit it. They would say “and then they came for me, and I have no idea why”
They wouldn’t say “no idea why.” They would blame the immigrants.
More info on the circumstances: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/23/ice-arrested-mexican-immigrant-after-hearing-before-judge-dugan/83233154007/
Last week’s arrest marked at least the third time in recent months that federal immigration agents have come to the courthouse with arrest warrants. In March and early April, two people were arrested by ICE officials in the hallways of the courthouse.
Following the earlier arrests at the courthouse, county officials and stakeholders expressed concerns about the impact ICE’s presence has on immigrants’ accessing the justice system and other services at the courthouse.
“The last thing we want is to interfere with the legal process or sow doubt in those summoned to the courthouse about whether or not they will receive fair, impartial justice,” Milwaukee County Executive David Crowley said at the time.
I really wish independent journalism existed so you could find out basic facts like “how often does the FBI normally arrest judges?” “Has a judge ever been arrested for obstruction of justice?” “Do they never get arrested inside a courthouse?”
I’m sure Judges sometimes commit crimes, just like everyone else. Are they normally given special deference and not arrested? Do they only get arrested for serious charges, and normally they get special dispensation because of their judge status?
Arresting judges does sound alarming, but without context it’s impossible to know just how norm-breaking it is.
For example, if a judge is pulled over and found to be driving drunk, I most definitely would want that judge arrested and charged. Not arresting and charging a judge in that situation sounds like institutional corruption. I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens, but I don’t know because these journalists aren’t doing their damn jobs.
Don’t get me wrong, in this case I’m pretty convinced that the Trump people are overstepping their bounds. It seems like a pattern of attacking the judiciary. And, this isn’t the judges being arrested for driving drunk or accepting bribes. This is judges being arrested for things related to immigration. Immigration, in particular, is something that the Trump administration is doing completely unlawfully.
But, how can we have any kind of informed dialogue when the standard of reporting is: “One side said ‘It’s outrageous they arrested a judge’, the other side said ‘the administration won’t accept judges breaking the law.’ The judge may have been a democrat.”
Probably because the article is from a business news outlet. I have heard a lawyer talk about the case, saying it was very unusually for her to be arrested for such charges (Leeja Miller I believe; not really a journalist, just a youtuber).
That’s the problem. Someone shouldn’t have to find a random YouTuber to get basic answers.
“Judges? Where we’re going, we won’t need judges.” *proceeds to fly away in the original Volkswagen*
Hannah Dugan 2028
She might be Supreme Justice material. Here’s hoping that Sanders/AOC considers Hannah Dugan for placement.
