From what I’m reading, the troubles should start to pick up now; harbors being quieter, truckers not having work, … Are any shortages noticeable yet?
ETA:
Source: https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/trump-is-a-virus
Businesses have been filling their inventories. That’s ending now. Economic pain in terms of job losses should accelerate now. It will still take up to a few weeks before inventories run empty, and the full impact hits consumers. Even a full reversal of Trumpism couldn’t prevent knock-on effects that last into next year.
I haven’t actually been living for the past 30 years.
Smart play
Hotblack Desiato, is that you?
People don’t really know what to do, except save money, cut back on disposable spending, and watch carefully. Maybe buy some big things early like a laptop or EV now rather than wait for the shock. The big problems are a few weeks to months away.
There are many more things people can do, and many are. The problem is, going 100% prepper is a failing strategy, too. So how far to go? It is a difficult situation.
I’m far less worried about the imminent supply shock to the economy and far more worried about the long term damage to things like the FDA. We’ve decided we’re going to try to go from ~10% vegetarian to closer to 80% or 100% because I simply don’t trust that thing like meat and milk can stay safe to consume. I do have a solid amount of food in my house, and if shelves start emptying I think I’ll be okay for a bit, but that’ll pass. I can’t really leave this country, so I need to be planning for longer term problems too.
While the nation was functioning, meat and dairy would have been regulated by the USDA, not the FDA.
It’s quite crazy to hear that the US is about to force UK and EU to buy more chlorinated chicken, and then hear that US will stop salmonela testing while negotiating this.
I have this fear that we won’t even be able to trust fruits and vegetables. The most common food contaminations in the news always seem to be unwashed lettuce and such, which makes sense because of fertilizers.
I’ve been preparing for some kind of problem with produce for a few years, I just had a gut feeling so I built a vegetable garden 3 years ago. Also have been planting fruit trees everywhere.
Ive been stockpiling canned proteins like tuna, chicken, clams, oysters, etc. even Spam. They may not be trustworthy in the future, but they are right now, so stack them up.
I can make a cheap but killer soup with a can of chicken, some ramen, and herbs, and i can even grow the herbs myself.
We’ve decided we’re going to try to go from ~10% vegetarian to closer to 80% or 100% because I simply don’t trust that thing like meat and milk can stay safe to consume.
Farmers’ markets (or direct from a local farm/butcher) are probably your best bet for what meat you do buy, if you don’t go full veg
Most aren’t even aware that this is coming.
I can’t wait to watch all the Trump-suckers loose their shit when they find out it’s Trump’s fault. If they can actually comprehend it as true, that is.
They’ll just say it’s Biden’s fault…
They’ll say it, but they won’t truly believe it. They’ll know the truth, or at least those that still possess some human awareness. There will always be those that are irredeemable, you can’t worry about them, they’re just lost.
Casual Qur’anic comment, lol. 😅
That is also my knee-jerk reaction, but with Tariffs it’s a pretty direct correlation to Trump now. Hopefully this will be what finally breaks him?
narrator: they did not
A large portion of the rest are in denial. So many people can only learn through the lens of their own experience
We’re not. All of the panic I’ve seen is on Lemmy. I haven’t seen it anywhere else, even reddit.
They kicked us off of Reddit, dude.
You’re posting from a tankie instance. I think there might be more to the story. Or not, reddit is indeed fickle, I once caught a perma ban for saying that the pedophile mohammed raped a 9 year old and was a pedophile.
So who knows?
This you?
Fuck off
Yes. That’s me.
No. I won’t be fucking off. I might switch to mbin at some point, but I’ll still be here
.world is not the tankie instance but they leak out sometimes. Youre thinking of .dbzer and .ml
The other dude, the one I replied to, is posting from Lemmy.ml
I didn’t know it was considered a tankie instance when I signed up, and I’m not a tankie, fwiw.
The sentiment on r/wallstreetbets is that “we’re cooked”, but the market is still “running on hopium” that Trump will fold.
Huh. Haven’t actually seen panic on Lemmy. I only see it on social media accounts of economists and logistics people.
Damn experts, what do they know?
Not surprisingly, Vance said words exactly to that effect during the vice-presidential debate. No one can say that they did not see this coming.
I’ve converted all my investments into girl scout cookies because they (1) are high value And can be traded for goods and services; and (2) can be eaten when no food is available. 😉
girl scout cookies … are high value
I hate that this is how you found out, but…
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Fudge-Mint-Cookies-10-Oz/11997740
Fools gold!
Most importantly stock up on toilet papers to resell for massive filthy profits, with that money you can send your children through college and save lives and end world hunger.
A lot of toilet paper is actually manufactured in the US which is why us shutting things down during Covid impacted supply so much, the tariffs won’t impact TP since it’s domestic production.
when price of other tariffed products, equipment, staff salary goes up. It means your expenses are more even if your business is not affected by tariffs. ie prices will go up even for non-tariffs items.
Imagine if trump only tariffed imported chicken, but my business is selling pen and pencils which are not tariffed, I would still have to raise prices of pen and pencil because the price of my food just went up, I would need to make more money to eat chicken meat and have the same purchasing power . No one is going to reduce their income/profit/salary/purchasing power in fact people will take advantage and increase.
Toilet paper shortage in stores was a global phenomenon. It’s seems like during times of crisis, people buy toilet paper. The grocery stores just weren’t prepared for everybody to buy toilet paper at the same time. They couldn’t keep up with the restocking.
There was no real shortage in toilet paper in terms of production.
It occurred just like gasoline shortages occur. If the media doesn’t make headlines that suggest buying as much as you can immediately, even if there is a supply chain problem things can adjust to meet normal demands. But when everyone takes all the stock at the same time, even a running production can’t keep up with that demand in a just-in-time system. I experienced a local fuel shortage before because of news of a damaged oil pipeline far away, and gas became unavailable for a few days, then started filling back up, all long before the pipeline issue would have affected us.
“A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.”
It was a global impact, the US is a significant exporter of toilet paper. 99% of our domestic use is locally manufactured AND we export a considerable volume to the rest of the world.
Believe it or not TP is big business here in the US and one of a few industries where we still have a lot of traditional manufacturing jobs. Georgia-Pacific and Kimberly Clark for example.
Georgia-Pacific LLC is an American pulp and paper company based in Atlanta, Georgia,[2] and is one of the world’s largest manufacturers and distributors of tissue, pulp, paper, toilet and paper towel dispensers, packaging, building products and related chemicals, and other forest products—largely made from its own timber.[3][4] Since 2005, it has been an independently operated and managed subsidiary of Koch Industries. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia-Pacific
Kimberly-Clark shares are mainly held by institutional investors (The Vanguard Group, BlackRock, State Street Corporation, and others).[32] Its subsidiaries include Kimberly-Clark Professional. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberly-Clark
Hail corporate.
during times of crisis, people buy toilet paper
Well yes. How else would you clean the fan when shit hits it?
Regardless of whether you think something catastrophic will happen tomorrow, next month, next year or never, it’s a smart plan to have an emergency stash of shelf-stable food and drinking water to last 72 hours per person in your household for whatever natural or manmade disaster.
My grandma’s spirit would haunt me from the dead if it found out I only had 72 hours of food in my home.
Food is easy, water is harder
I’m one of those dirty wasteful Italians who buys bottled water, I’ve always got ~50 litres of water at home, and I live in the dampest part of Italy anyway
it’s a smart plan to have an emergency stash of shelf-stable food and drinking water to last 72 hours per person in your household for whatever natural or manmade disaster.
I have plenty of food sitting around, but realistically, 72 hours without food isn’t going to be an issue for an non-infant who doesn’t have some kind of serious medical conditions. Probably make most people in the US healthier.
I’ve fasted for over a week for the hell of it, and people have gone much longer. This guy did it for over a year.
Water is a much-less-forgiving resource.
frequently visiting Maryfield Hospital for medical evaluation
Sure. Most people probably have a bit of fresh food to rely on in the immediate term if disaster hits, but by the time you get to it, you should have a gauge on how long you will need to make that 72 hours supply actually last. Water is also vital but it does take up more space so as a baseline 72 hours of each is a good starting point.
This! I don’t even live in a disaster prone area, but I always make sure we’d be fine without power/water for a few days at least.
I feel awful for the genuinely good people living there. But to all of the people that either voted for this or sat back and did nothing to prevent this: I genuinely and sincerely hope you fucking suffer like never before.
Well, the assholes in charge over here dismantled FEMA, a national disaster relief organization. And there are some pretty Republican regions that regularly need its assistance from hurricanes and other weather disasters.
“May you have the day you voted for.”
I’m waiting to see whether the American resistance (if it can be called that) succeeds, and what they do if they succeed, before I take that position, but fair enough.
Don’t worry the entire world will suffer not just the people you don’t like in the US.
This has certainly been true in the past, but I’m seeing the next few of these will affect the rest of the world less than it did in the past. Other nations are decoupling from USD as a reserve currency so they are a bit more insulated from US economic swings. Further, China will have extra manufacturing capacity since the USA is effectively blocked for many of its goods. This means that China will (likely already is) finding other markets in the world for these goods and others producible from the excess manufacturing capacity. Increased supplied will mean reduced prices everywhere else in the world besides the USA.
Worldwide petroleum prices will likely fall because of reduced demand from the USA. Food prices may be one place prices rise with the reduced production from the ongoing war of Russian aggression in Ukraine, and the voluntary reduction of food imports from the USA in response to USA tariffs on imports. So this will place a strain on non-USA based food producing countries.
I say all of this as an American appalled at what trump is doing to the USA and the world.
I got a hefty stockpile of food. Probably gonna grab some extras of random consumables in the next couple days. Maybe an extra kilo of 3D printer filament mostly just for fun but also in case I need some random plastic whosywhatsit that can’t be found any more.
I got a passport, and am wrapping up a degree in nursing.
It’s not necessarily my intention to jump ship as soon as I graduate, but knowing that it’s an option will be a great comfort.
Other than that, I stopped eating eggs.
Going to Germany as a nurse should be possible. You would need to do some language courses and handle some bureaucracy but we have a big nurse shortage.
language
That is definitely an intimidating step. I speak a little Spanish, but was never particularly good at it, and that’s hailed as one of the ‘easy’ languages. …'course, the stakes are a tad higher now than when I was studying that stuff in highschool…
You pick up languages much more easily when you live somewhere
Come to Canada, we want and need nurses!
We always need more nurses in Sweden, I imagine it’s the same in other countries too.
How about generic guys with no special talents in particular but the gift of gab?
For Sweden specifically that could be tricky at the moment with our current government.
Italy sorely needs nurses as well.
Thailand is my backup
I’m torn between something familiar - english speaking, mostly western culture, just for the sake of an easy transition; or somewhere like Thailand where it’s just a completely different world. Like, if I’m going to pack up and move halfway across the globe, might be a good time to dive into something that’ll give me a ton of brand new experiences.
Idk if I’m adventurous enough to actually commit, but the temptation is definitely there.
Do you have dual citizenship? Just because you have a passport doesn’t mean you can just flee the country forever.
No - that strikes me as an end game move. It’ll enable me to cross the border, and if shit hits the fan that’ll be good enough to then figure out the next steps.
I would need to do WAY more research on prospective point-B’s before diving into dual citizenship.
That said, I don’t really know shit about expatriating, so if anything I just said stands out as glaringly wrong, please do school me!
You’re right about this - as a US / Canadian dual citizen, getting a new citizenship is quite an ordeal and not everyone who applies is approved. The nursing experience you mentioned in a separate comment might be enough to qualify for a work permit and then permanent residence. I know that various provincial governments up here are quietly putting in immigration policies that severely cut immigration numbers, but focus heavily on recruiting healthcare workers.
Dual citizenship is probably a bit premature, I doubt you need to concern yourself with that just yet. I would probably have a few places picked out as likely options for a work visa though, after doing some basic research into pay grade vs cost of living and how much you like/would fit in with the local culture.
You probably already have a vague idea of which countries you might enjoy living it.
You don’t need citizenship to live in a country, just a work visa
America has officially entered the list of shithole countries. Our infamous American arrogance will not help us. No country is going to want our refugees unless they are wealthy or have an in-demand skill. Even then, they will only want to cherry pick the best of the best.
In addition, we will be 2nd class citizens in any country we land in, and will be treated with the same disdain, discrimination, and abuse as immigrants are treated in America.
Better to stay here, and use your energy to fight to take our nation back. Fascism has generally turned out to be unsustainable in the long term, but it requires constant, sustained resitance to dislodge.
The silver lining is that fascist leaders usually face an ignominious, violent end. Let that be your motivation to resist.
I agree with the idea of staying an upholding your values, but as an Italian, let me tell you people can be pretty ambivalent about people from countries like ours, just as I happen to be seen as either a lazy criminal or a poet cook navigator with nothing in-between, you guys can be seen as dumb and vulgar rednecks or cool rock’n’roll cowboys.
Italian here as well and I support this . Became much more woke about the stereotypes we fall in lately, after 15 years around Europe. Especially when people apply Scorsese movies terminology to us: if someone jokes about me being a mafioso I respond with a small lecture about what mafia really is.
Ya but that’s not an easy thing to get for most countries. A lot of that depends on your career background. They don’t take anyone.
Nurses are well in demand all over Europe.
the shortages and disruptions have been happening and Trump is not the end all be all of all things just another puppet that was
voted inselected by the elitesbeen an issue worse since covid and not just because of tariffs or what presidential puppet sits in the white house
no preparing for something when we have nothing to start preparing with in the first place
at least in the United States you have lots of people at the bottom, some in the upper middle, and very few elites that control it all
this guy has a wild comment history lol
One of the regular rabble rousers. He gets off on being an idiot.
What on earth did i just read? None of that was even coherent.
On the bright side, it probably wasn’t AI-generated.
That’s a low bar
Neither A nor I, in fact!
Toilet paper danger!
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I am really curious about how much media attention the consequences of the Orange Man’s moves will get. Fascism is at work and the first thing fascists do is get control of the media.
Not shortages yet, but steep price increases.
I have dropped some items from my normal grocery list because of ramping prices. Eggs and avocados were first, but it’s expanding to other things now.
I have some hobby projects I want to do that would require buying new hardware; those prices are going up so that is on hold until further notice.
I work from home 95% of the time and do much of my evening/weekend socializing and hobbies within walking distance of my home, so I could drop my driving and fuel consumption very low.
I bought a $30 renter-friendly bidet kit so I am way less exposed to another toilet paper shortage.
I was going to buy a new car, probably a RAV4 internal hybrid, within the next 1-2 years but that is completely up in the air now. My current car is functional, just old, and I would continue driving it rather than swap to an inferior and dangerous American car like Tesla.
Buy less, budget conscientiously, wait to see what happens. Exactly what Trump doesn’t want but which anyone with half a brain cell knew would happen.
How much are avocados where you are? They’re still $1 each here which is too bad.
They doubled over the last ~week at my grocery store. Typically 88 cents to $1, today $1.99.
Dang.
We’ll see if they stay up or if it was a minor swing due to, I don’t know, short term short supply. I was reading they are an interesting bellweather because of their very short shelf-life and west-to-east shipping path.
They’re one of my favorite lunches while hiking. Good fats. Easy. No refrigeration needed.
