A family says their newborn son nearly bled to death and is fighting for his life after he was circumcised at a New York City hospital.
Tim and Gabrielle Groth said their son, Cole, underwent the circumcision at NewYork-Presbyterian Morgan Stanley Children’s Hospital in Manhattan, where he was born on March 31.
Why do parents keep choosing to cut up the genitals of their baby boys?
Is it because the dad had his penis cut up for him, and therefore he must do it to his son because “nothing is wrong with his dick”?
It’s due to lack of education about not cutting it and indoctrination of what has been societal norms. It’s much less nefarious than you think on the part of many parents. Most people don’t generally think about this ahead of time and research it.
ding ding ding
Don’t forget the people who think they have to do it because the sky daddy they invented told them to.
In America at least most people don’t really consider it until the kid is born. Then in the post birth rush of things happening someone asks if you want to circumcise your kid. Most Dads will say “well I’m circumcised, so I guess” and his dad said “well I’m circumcised, so I guess” and his dad said “well I’m circumcised, so I guess” and his dad said “HE IS BORN OF SIN! We must circumcise him to discourage sinful behavior!”
Most people really don’t think too deeply about most things, try not to over think it
In the US, it’s very often the mother’s decision, because the nurses will ask her. Fathers mostly get very little say in the medical care of their children in the US at nearly any age if the mother is present.
FAFO.
cut off usefull natural things without consent…win stupid prizes
It depends on the day for me whether increased sensitivity would be a good or bad thing for me. But that’s mental illness and the accompanying drugs for ya.
It’s also preventative for some stds, iirc
I looked into this claim a couple of years ago. I couldn’t find any well executed study that showed this. It’s mainly a talking point that people who argue for circumcision claim is true, but I couldn’t find any scientific support for this.
I was unclear. Circumcision predisposes you to STD transmission iirc, but I also couldn’t find anything.
Because its the opposite actually. Circumcision reduces risk, inclusive of STIs as well as UTIs. Its a significant, but partial, reduction in risk. This has only been shown with PiV sexual activity and not with PiA sexual activity, which could be an important factor.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8579597/
Adult circumcision works out well, including for a family member who did it in his 30s due to severe phimosis (which is also linked to penile carcinoma).
I think the only appropriate answer to circumcision is not at birth, only for a clear medical need until they are an adult, and at that point it’s their decision.
But I doubt you’ll find anything peer reviewed that suggests an increase in STIs after circumcision, I’ve only ever seen the opposite, and I did a lot of reading on it before my son was born.
This is the correct way of looking at it. At birth should not be the time to do this… it should be done later in life, by the person’s own choosing.
Largely beneficial for UTIs, which is the leading infection in young boys. UTIs in young children are often hard to diagnose before spreading to the kidneys
Then later in life when getting too old to wash yourself the benefit returns again
“It depends on the day whether more pleasure would be a good or bad thing for me”
That’s a more precise version of your statement, I think.
Im Not sure if sensitivity always equals pleasure
Which is why I think sensitivity is the wrong word.
But he’s talking about sensitivity not pleasure?
Regardless, I’m circumcised, and if I was more sensitive in most situations, I wouldn’t last long enough for my wife’s toy to push her over the edge (I can get her off without it, but I’m too big and she’ll be sore for a week.
Like, my prozac can be performance enhancing.
The subset that wants it removed could still get that done later, right? Those who don’t aren’t given the option. Putting it back is a bit more difficult.
I married a woman of jewish descent, she’s not religious in any way though. It was alarming, the amount of people coming up to us and asking us about our child’s dick. Why do people think it’s any of their business? Since they over stepped and asked, I gave them the full answer, complete with how idiotic it is and how anyone who still practices it is a backwards ass religious nut, and how all those other reasons like hygiene are bullshit myths.
Circumcision is barbaric and backwards
Religion doesn’t get a free pass either. Superstition is no basis for mutilating babies
America is one of the only places in the world that still thinks this disgraceful practice is OK.
All because they followed the ideas of a nutter who made cornflakes…
Shit’s fucked
Any cosmetic body alteration should only be done according to the will of the body-haver.
Poor little guy is brand new to the world and just wants sleep, warmth and food. Instead he gets this 💔
At the will of the people who are supposed to be keeping him safe from harm…
🥒✂️
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But hey, on the plus side, they helped cure him of… I mean prevented… I mean…
What again?
I’m sure someone will jump in and mention hygiene, like we haven’t invented fucking soap some 3000 years ago…
FYI, in those 3000 years time, we have found another use for soap besides sticking your dick in it!
That’s not what I… nevermind. Wording matters. :D
Oy Vey
Haha, best response here.
Wow, mods are really going to censor this guy for saying “Oy Vey”?
What group of people do you think would shout the loudest and pull the most strings to make sure it’s still legal and encouraged to mutilate the penises of newborn males?
Jesus fuck, even on lemmy we can’t criticize them.
Male genital mutilation.
Why do they still perform such barbaric rites in the 21st century in the first place?
I mean look who’s sitting in the oval office. Science has progressed but most humans have not.
Yet theyre against mutilating genitals when it comes to trans people.
Yeah, the first time I heard of people protesting against “mutilating children’s genitals [in North America]”, I thought it was a protest against circumcision. I thought, “Wow, we’re finally moving society forward!”
…nope. It was backwards again.
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Not for the newborn it isn’t. Something as personal as your own genetals should be your own personal choice, but in this instance the owner of the penis gave no consent.
Yeah—personal preference. As in, not the preference of the fucking parents.
It is usually not the personal preference of the person operated on.
There are a lot of medical decisions that simply should not be left in the hands of parents, and this is one of them, if not the score leader.
It’s not a medical decision. The procedure is completely unnecessary and unwarranted without a diagnosis.
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I just want to clarity- You’re cheering on the potential death of a newborn child?
Stop molesting children would be my advice.
*mutilating
Yes of course, edited.
Thanks.Its actually both with traditional Jewish circumcision.
Metzitzah B’peh (Direct Oral Suctioning)
When a baby is circumcised, some ritual Jewish circumcisers (mohelim) do a practice called metzitzah b’peh. Metzitzah b’peh is when the mohel uses their mouth to suck blood away from the baby’s circumcision wound as part of the circumcision ritual. After metzitzah b’peh, some babies can get an infection.
https://www.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/safe-bris.page
Yes the Jewish one is even more disgusting, but this was in a hospital, I hope they don’t have such practices there. 🤮
i believe one baby got oral herpes on the babies genitals that was passed to from the MOHEL.
As a Jewish person there are traditions and practices that are better abandoned
Please be ChatGPT nonsense, please be ChatGPT nonsense. I’m not Googling that shit. :((((
I’m so sorry, it ain’t chatGPT nonsense. And it hits the news every now and then because the practitioners giving blowjobs to infants give them herpes, and the infants sometimes die - like on the ABC news article I linked from 2013.
Its beyond messed up that anyone is OK with it “because tradition”.
Why would you let them carry out that retarded procedure?
Genital mutilation should be 100% illegal instead of only applying to girls.
I agree with you fully but there’s a discrepancy that needs to addressed. Now, before you get the wrong idea, I’m NOT defending or excusing anybody here. The medical staff and the parents should be held responsible for nearly killing this newborn. Child genital mutilation of any kind should be banned.
Now, with that out the way, Male circumcision and female genital mutilation (or FGM, which is what I believe you’re referring to when you say ‘only applying to girls’) are not directly comparable. Male circumcision typically only removes the foreskin of the penis whereas FGM removes the both the clitoris and labia (I shudder while typing this out). It would be like castrating the entire penis and testicles.
Again, this sort of thing should be banned and no child should suffer from the decisions they had no say in.
FGM removes the both the clitoris and labia
There is an entire horrifying spectrum of FGM, not just what you posted.
I’m curious: the person you replied to didn’t say they were comparable, so why did you feel the need bring it up?
In my experience, people who point that out when no one has made the comparison are usually insecure about an issue that affects men getting attention and potentially eclipsing the issue affecting women. Like people who point out that female victims of domestic violence die more often from their assaults during discussions about male victims of domestic violence.
You sure you wanna be that person? Try harder not to be, please.
I’m fine with adults mutilating their foreskin, but I want the decision left up to the individual. Having the parents do it when they are a baby leaves the individual with no choice
I’ll just say it’s very clear you’ve never seen what a botched circumcision does to a penis. You also don’t seem to know the biology of the male genitals very well either if you think it’s “just skin”.
Why don’t we instead focus on “bodily autonomy”? No one should have unnecessary medical procedures done against their will and without their consent. It’s a pretty simple rule that applies to everyone and covers most of these issues simply.
It would be like castrating the entire penis and testicles.
More like removing the glans and foreskin, but that doesn’t make it much better. There are definitely varying degrees of awfulness, but it’s all bad.
While there are some truly evil and horrific practices like removing the clitoris or sewing the vulva shut, some female genital mutation is “just” removing the clitoral hood, which is directly analagous to the foreskin.
Most people can agree that this practice is deeply wrong, and that it is still genital mutilation. And so I think categorizing male genital mutilation separately as “circumcision” is downplaying it.
It would be like castrating the entire penis and testicles.
That is very much not accurate. Genital mutilation (of both genders) generally focuses on removing the ability to obtain pleasure from sex while maintaining reproductive capability.
Circumcision is roughly analogous to clitoral hood amputation (one type of FGM). The foreskin also contains a substantial number of sensory nerves (Meissnar’s corpuscles, and ~10k-20k nerve endings specialized for pleasure). Additionally, the glans (head) is subjected to the external environment in a manner which it was not adapted for, resulting in formation of thickened, layer of skin to protect it. These two things, taken together, result in greatly reduced sensory and pleasure capabilities in the penis. The reason for its commonality in the US is the historical puritanical belief that sexuality is wrong and desire to repress sexuality in little boys.
FGM is wrong. So is male genital mutilation. Inflicting either on those who can not consent is a crime against humanity that should not be accepted as commonplace.
I agree it should not be performed on a non-consenting individual, ESPECIALLY KIDS, but please do not claim the result is guaranteed to reduce sensitivity, as it is simply not true. Source: I am living proof the opposite can actually happen!
I had phimosis and experienced paraphimosis which can result in losing the whole thing. A circumcision was one of the best decisions of my adult life. It is NOT a sexual death sentence or designed to be only that. It can in fact be a saviour.
Most genital mutilation on kids is not done due to necessity.
It’s like saying we should perform mandatory surgery on everyone, but most everyone has to undergo it with no tangible benefit, just unnecessary risk – is it cool that we know how to perform the procedure in cases that medically necessitate it? Obviously. Does that mean there is a reason everyone needs it? Of course not.
My dude you LITERALLY just heard about a baby almost dying from a circumcision?? Which cis girl is born with the apparatus to undergo a circumcision. I’m waiting.
“instead of only applying to girls” you’re on some goofy shit, shitstirrer.
“only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only”
ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND? REREAD THEIR MESSAGE YOU IMBECILE.
Look in a mirror and try again dipshit.
LMAO…that comment got removed.
I expected that commenter to not reply (out of embarrassment, because most people with that kind of attitude tend to be too small to admit their mistakes).
Instead, it seems like they doubled down…what did that comment say? Ahaha
It should be in the modlog.
He basically just copy pasted “only” a bunch of times then questioned my reading comprehension and called me an imbecile.
How can someone be so confidently incorrect?
When you see a comment you disagree with, start by taking the time to research their claims.
Pretty sure in Egypt they still cut off the clitoris’ of preteen girls as tradition.
“only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only” “only”
ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND? REREAD THEIR MESSAGE YOU IMBECILE.
