Let’s hope they are more effective opposition than the Democrats.
Meirdas Touch once again. The orange shit stain backs a Con and all voters take that as a sign that the person is a piece of shit and votes opposite.
Sometimes it works nicely.
Top Poilievre defense he did use a lot of Trump’s talking points and techniques. Branding himself as Trump light.
Temu Trump
He showed who he was, and people believed him, as they should.
Hopefully Britain follows Canadas footsteps (as we might vote in wish trump)
Please, he’s Pound-Stretcher Trump. Not even Poundland would stock him.
What elections are coming up in the UK? I thought Starmer won a majority just last year.
no, but local elections are
You do your local elections all at once?
Australian chiming in here and we have an election in a few days time.
The current Opposition Leader is running on a platform of Trump Wannabee.
I really really hope our country tells him to stick it up his fucking ass.
Let’s go mates. Kick them bootlicker asses.
rooting for you aussies. Love and strength from Germany <3
Cheers dude. We have to come together across all borders to end this shit.
thankfully our 2 party preferred polls look almost the identical to canadas!
I’m still terrified.
Australians have a bad habit of falling for those kind of dog whistle tactics.
yeah it’s way closer than it has any right to be that’s for sure
Luckily we have preferential and compulsory voting.
Mark Carnage
An absolute Carnmageddon for PP
The delicious irony of watching the CBC announce the Liberals have won a fourth term …
Defund that you stupid little twerp, guess Canada wasn’t broken enough not to see through your stupid bullshit
How does them boots taste like?
Maybe i am reading it wrong, but it seems to be a dig a pp
It is, PP has been threatening the CBC left and right. The commenter probably should have put his name somewhere in there.
I read it too quickly. My bad :)
…yeah totally, was that not obvious?
It was to me lol
Better than orange spray tan in the back of my throat…
Sorry bud, I might’ve read your reply a bit too quickly. We’re on the same side, I’m just an idiot
You can predict what likely happens next: more neoliberal policies and degradation of quality of life. In one of the next election the fascists take over Canada. They never learn.
In one of the next election the fascists take over Canada. They never learn.
At least we stopped Maple MAGA from taking over now… we learned this one trick from the Americans
Mark “100 million by 2100” Carney
Yeah neoliberals… the reason they want that is to get cheap laborers. Can’t believe they are so brazen about it.
Kay? If the infrastructure is there what does it matter?
Narrator: the infrastructure was not there
Voted liberal, ndp, and green my whole life btw, and spent a decade as a public servant; im not a hate filled person who shits on immigrants, I just want responsible immigration policy, and McKinsey Consulting is evil.
Not there in 75 years? You must be clairvoyant.
The Canadian population rose by almost 20% in the last 5 years. The infrastructure we currently have was not ready for irresponsible immigration policy, and these things need to be done in coordination. I can’t predict the future, but I’m sayin’ my political concerns lie in this decade, not the next century.
Bad immigration policy also fuels distain towards immigrants, and it bolsters people like Pierre Pollivre, and I think we probably both agree that’s a bad thing
and it bolsters people like Pierre Pollivre, and I think we probably both agree that’s a bad thing
Yes
And you’re right to say we have housing issues. Getting rid of rent control was a poor choice in ontario. Corporate landlords are another. We have many vacant homes in Canada that should be filled. There are many things that need to change, and I am hopeful that these changes can be made before canada had 100 million in population
Immigrants = scary 🥺
Cons seriously need to come up with new talking points, trying to paint Carney as some kind of WEF great replacement agent clearly wasn’t a winning strategy.
It isn’t? Drive by Hamilton or any other GTA city, shits unreal how expensive housing is and homeless is more pronounced post-covid since they opened the flood gates and reduced CRS requirements so that anyone with a pulse could get in. They only back pedalled now on resuming policies they had pre-covid, but the damage is already done…
They want 100m by the end of the century no? You don’t think we can build infrastructure to support that in 75 years? I wasn’t saying now
No I dont think so, because I have lost faith in provincial governments actually realizing that goal. They cater to nimbys and the status quo
Well, with climate change warming stuff up, we will build on the old permafrost i guess
You know, we could do better. 150 seems reasonable.
This is my fear as well. Neoliberal policies are exactly what have made the extreme right so strong and powerful over the past decades. When people have no means to get forward in life, they resort to despotism, which is exactly why the poorest parts of the USA are so strongly in favor of Trump, while the wealthier parts are still clinging onto the liberal train.
Like I said in other posts, this is a good day for the current term, but if the Liberals aren’t serious about making life better for real Canadians (not the super-wealthy ones), there’s a good chance that this is only exacerbating an inevitable collapse.
This is the part a lot of US liberals are missing. Those red states are shit holes now. Look bombed out and war torn because industry left and took the money with them, and they were thriving 40 years ago.
A wiser human than me could probably find a way to incentivise companies moving headquarters out of high cost of living areas to more rural areas where rent isn’t half your paycheck.
The ‘rust belt’ is over 40 years old now. Places like Detroit have started to stabilize.
The high cost of living is everywhere. Capital moves in the blink of an eye, setup a company in a small town and it’ll be bought up and rented out before lunch.
I think ultimately we need to design an economic system that allows less work and less consumption. You want those outsourced jobs to come back but done by robotics. Coming back to stop needing to ship them halfway across the world, wasting energy. But we need to have a clear(er) vision to what we want to transition to. Like a partially planned and circular economy that covers the basic needs (food, living space, education, news, healthcare) for everyone for free. Otherwise there is nothing to believe in.
Kind of a bummer watching how duopolistic Canada is, TBH.
If coalition governments are more democratic it’s crazy how France, Austria, Germany, and Czech Republic (and probably more) all support genocide, prevent protests against it, accuse citizens of being antisemites, and veto attempts by international courts to do something about genocide. But then again, other coalitions like in Belgium can go against the trend.
At least Canada’s two party system turned away from Trump. Canadians did better with two parties than other countries can do with 20.
At least Canada’s two party system turned away from Trump.
For now. America did the same in 2020, not that it mattered in the end.
Turning away from Trump doesn’t matter when you get the same result wrapped in a more polite package.
FPTP do be like that. It’s actually kind or remarkable we have significant minor parties.
Aight, Canada. Now you owe us!
Thanks Trump!
Thanking trump, That’s another one I didn’t have on my bingo card for 2025, this ride is wild!
This feels like a short-term win but a long-term loss. Carney is a centrist, a former banker that’s in to a lot of conservative ideas. He feels like Biden 2.0, the conservatives only losing because of Trump’s unhinged rantings. MAGA-ism has gained a huge foothold in Canada, and turning to a do nothing centrist is only going to do so much.
that’s in to a lot of conservative ideas
Fiscal conservative ideas, maybe.
Socially he’s relatively liberal. Maybe not quite as much as Trudeau, but nowhere near what the CPC has become.
We don’t need fiscal conservatism right now either. People are suffering and they’ve been told to tighten their belts too many times.
He sounds like he’s ready to spend on capitol projects at the moment.
In his book he calls for government spending on capital projects in order to kick-start private investment in expanding their businesses (and payrolls, ultimately leading to more employees in better paid jobs and therefore at a higher taxable level)
Look, that’s great in the short term, but after what we’ve seen in the last 30 years, I don’t know how anyone can put any faith in private investment anymore. We’ve had 2 market crashes, at least 2 instances of severe real estate value depression, Vishna knows how many bailouts and what to show for it? Look at the telecoms in (frankly, anywhere, they’re all shit) the US - for a decade they put a surcharge on every single bill that was supposed to help them expand high-speed internet to all parts of the country, not to mention the billions of dollars the federal government provided. The result? Rural areas are still on dialup!
‘Do-nothing centrist’? The guy has been PM for all of two months, and won his first national election on Monday. Maybe give him a few months.
And by the way, he played a key role in orchestrating the bond selloff with the UK, France, and Japan on tariff day that caused Trump to back down. No other PM- none- could have conceived of let alone pulled off that.
Eh. If Trump keeps sending shit our way it will be really easy to succeed against them. You know what happened to the British League of Fascists back in the day?
That’s a win to me. Not every one on the left wanted a social left leader. Social issues are important. But the economy right now is the biggest fire.
Trump didnt cause the Conservatives to lose, they did that themselves with how they acted in spite of how Conservatives across the world were acting… and the fact that most of their platform revolved around just screaming “we’re not the liberals, we’re not trudeau”
they acted with an extreme amount of entitlement. that because the liberals had ruined the country for 10 years, it was now their turn. couple that with a lot of snide, childish shitposting, and an absolute bombardment of anti-trudeau ads and rhetoric, they basically bullied trudeau out of office, and once he was gone, they didnt have a platform anymore.
then enter the Trump , Trade war, and threats of Invasion shit. The conservatives basically waffled during this foreign policy crisis that pissed a lot of people off. the reality had changed and a lot of people felt like bringing a party that was polluted with the far right, was now no longer tenable.
On what do you base the “do nothing” comment?
I’m totally okay with taking a shot on someone who is actually educated and respected as opposed to a career politician.
Many Western nations are turning to political outsiders out of frustration with the status quo. Conservatives and the far right have more effectively tapped into that underlying desire and capitalized on it.
Here we have an outsider who isn’t a dog whistling regressive populist. That’s a huge win for Canada in my book.
I cannot wait to see how the Trump admin will spin this. Either that or they have a meltdown and immediately call it a rigged election. Bonus points if he tells Canadians to storm their capital.
There should be a bingo sheet.
Please, I am begging you, do not make this sheet. Right wing media will pick up on it, the golden one will catch wind of it, and it will become an achievement checklist. Please do not.
I’ll be a little surprised if he addresses it more than a passing comment - the US conservative population doesn’t actually give a shit about canada (unless they’re told to be mad about it for some specific scapegoaty reason, but they’ll just forget. Like they’ve all forgotten about the lumber issues, or eggs, or how ‘canada is killing the US garment industry’ that one was cute…). At this point he’s got enough other things to distract them with, so why waste his very limited attention span on something he’s declared a solved issue?
I think it would depend on whether Canada’s new government is willing to play ball. If they’re not willing to kiss Trump’s ass and give America the preferential treatment that he’s trying to extort from the country, there’s going to be more than just a one-off passing comment about it. Probably a woe-is-me “Canada is taking advantage of us” campaign, I reckon.
They are 100% going to say our election was rigged, and our idiots are going to believe them.
excerpt of facebook comments Ive seen since last night
- “this country is a disgrace”
- " sad day for canada"
- “fucking rigged!”
- “west time to become 51st state”
- “alberta saskatchewan manitoba 51st state of USA!”
- “time to secede”
- “trump will save alberta”
- " insert conspiracy here already picked their candidate, our votes dont count"
- “time to leave”
- accusations of Chinese meddling
- accusaions of European meddling
- accusations of Globalist meddling
Club your idiots with baseball bats. Or cricket bats. Or whatever bats you use up there.
Lacrosse and hockey sticks.
Not the flying kind!
The big key is gonna be if we get that sweet 172 seats with Lib+Green+NDP, we are only 1 seat short
If we hit that mark it means, hilariously, the one single green seat is needed to form a majority government without bloc’s help needed
Which will force liberal party to play ball with NDP and Green Party’s more progressive policies.
That’s our ideal scenario, conservatives are told to go kick rocks, and green/ndp get an actual voice on decision making to push the country in a progressive direction.
One. More. Seat!
If only they would embrace nuclear!
Atm we got it, this is the magic sweet spot where we want to be
172 seats exactly with lib+ndp+green
and conservatives can’t even threaten a vote of non confidence with bloc’s help. (1 vote short)
But they could trigger it with that 1 green seat’s help, which means liberals have to stay on the good side of that 1 green seat XD
Hopefully there won’t be a Joe Manchin situation where just one of the liberals starts siding with the conservatives on just about everything to negate the majority (though I may be misinterpreting how the system works, I’m not super aware of how Canada’s legislature functions)
I blame Manchin alone for a lot of what we weren’t able to get done under Biden
If any vote ever fails in our government, it triggers an instant re-election. It’s called the Vote of Non Confidence
It’s probably one of the most key parts of why our government is a little bit more resistant to clown-showing, because even a small crack in the parliament triggers a new election.
So bills can only be tabled if the gov is 100% confident it will have the votes.
Which means the conservatives could table a bill if they knew the NDP + Bloc would side with them on it, as then they have the votes to pass it.
But since it’s the NDP, a very progressive party, it means they actually hold that fine balance of mediating power between liberals and conservatives.
It’s pretty solid actually, and makes it so everyone the entire term could pass a reasonable bill.
Pretty sure this last term the conservatives and liberals did agree on some stuff and some bills passed with both approving it, iirc.
I think forcing them to occasionally work together like that helps temper the fascism lol.
How is the green party in canada? Actually good or like in the US?
The 1 seat they got was in the green party stronghold (co leaders home town)
I have zero clue what her platform is, prolly environmentalist tho.
Not as wacko as in the US, but they had some weird new age candidates at some point.
You’re conveniently leaving out the fact that the federal Greens spent the last several years destroying itself through infighting. Remember the leader that was elected to replace the long suffering Elizabeth May who then stole a bunch of money, started a bunch of law suits against the party and then May had to take back over under a joint leadership?
They’re a novelty party, not a party of governance.
(I have voted Green several times, but never again in their current arrangement)
Sure, but go check what the US Green party is to compare and you’ll realize that the Canadian party isn’t so bad
Using “well at least it’s not as bad in America” in these contexts is both dismissive of valid criticism and also a staggeringly low bar
But if you go check I was replying to someone asking for a comparison.
Currently it seems like there is a highly improbable but mathematically possible outcome where the Conservatives and Bloc Québécois form a government. Canada gets to be the 51st state and Quebec gets to be the 52nd state. 💀
Let’s get that last seat! edit: typos
Bloc have endorsed the liberals already, Quebec is extremely anti trump.
Bloc aligning with conservatives would be political suicide lol.
That’s why I said highly improbable. But if the they became states it would be the end of Canadian politics. It would be all American politics at that point.
I don’t think Quebec will recognize Trump’s rule if he takes control of Canada. It may result in some occupier deaths.
Somehow I don’t see Quebec deciding anything that favors a party that wants everyone to speak English.
Really proud of Canada not going down the same path my dumb ass country did
It wasn’t by a large margin… Canadians are turning fascist just like a lot of other countries.
I’m hoping the margin was tight because most people, even the ones who voted liberal, held their nose as they did it. We don’t like a party being in charge for this long, but the alternative is worse and worse every election. Pierre poilievre was however the worst and most dickish conservative I’ve seen in a while, so I hate how close this was.
Both Jason Kenney and Andrew Scheer, the two prior Conserrvative leaders, also completely blew their chances of winning by relying on the rightwing outrage pipeline and by being completely unlikable as a human beings.
Side story, I worked in government and received an MP complaint against me by a client, and the MP was Jason Kenney. I had to talk to him a bit everyday for a week or so, and he came off as incredibly stupid. Blew my mind a year later when he was on a ballot lol.
I was asked by a conservative volunteer why I wasn’t voting Con, I told him to write it down for the higher ups “I will never vote for a candidate who makes up cute little trump style nicknames for his opponents like carbon tax carney, and that any politician who rallies against woke culture has brain worms”
Conservatives still winning over 40% of all votes total. Definitely a very bad sign.
Yes, we narrowly avoided going down the Trump route this time, but I don’t find this picture particularly encouraging (NDP, Green and BQ are the three most progressive parties):
Source: National Post
Maybe the left is realizing that they are fighting for really critical human rights, their autonomy and their country, so it’s time to stop splitting the vote among marginal left wing parties?
But splitting the vote isn’t an issue with proportional representation is it? If the libs lose one seat to the greens that’s still one seat not occupied by the cons.
The liberals are not a left wing party, but ya people are just scared of trump and our own conservatives, understandably so.
I don’t think the answer to the corrupting influence of America’s rotting republic is to become a two party system.
What’s the answer?
Electoral reform would be a good start. Ranked Choice isn’t perfect, but it’s easy to implement and much better than our current system, asvwe build appetite for a truly progressive voting method.
Certainly there’s a lot of strategic voting going on. But you don’t see the Liberal (centrist) seat count increasing as the NDP goes down: the gains are all with the Conservatives. If it were a matter of progressives deciding to just consolidate with Liberals, you’d expect to see the Liberal seat count go up as the smaller parties went down. To me this suggests either that some people are flipping directly from left to right or that there is a general rightwards drift, with right-wing Liberals going over to Conservatives and left-wing strategic voters filling in some of the gap they leave for the Liberals. In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
It’s not surprising at all, the 2 conservative parties in Germany are the most far-right and second most far-right parties. They host politicians who are grandsons and granddaughters of real Nazi SS officers (like the leader of the AfD: Alice Weidel, her grandpa was directly responsible for thousands of civilian deaths as military judge and prosecuter and later chief military judge for Adolf fucking Hitler. They copy their talking points one to one and would love to see people dissappear, who are not looking like them. Conservatives, for the most part, are atrociously far-right.
There’s strategic voting going both ways as some people are simply tired of seeing the Liberals in power, they would have been back the following election if the cons had won.
On what planet is the BQ (bloq quebecois) a progressive party? NDP and green for sure.
Bloc are literally a Quebec only nationalist/separatist. The cons are angry at them because they “stole” a bunch of their Quebec voters/seats. If that’s your target audience you aren’t on the progressive end of the spectrum.
In the policies section of the page you link, there are a number of positions that are typically associated with “progressive” politics.
And a broken clock is right twice a day. Just because a couple policies from a party are progressive doesn’t overwrite the fact that their founding tenants are hyper nationalistic (if you count Quebec as an independent nation).
Until social networks are mare criminally liable for the crap they spew this won’t be turned around.
They all have to be sued nonstop for slander, defamation, and high treason or else all their leaders and pundits dragged into the streets and beaten to death in front of their kids. Waiting for society to right itself is never gonna happen.
That is the sad thing.
Hopefully Australia follows suit, as we have our own Temu Trump in opposition coming into our election.
Electoral Reform will be passed this time… right?
It was not in the platform. I’ll settle for staying sovereign, maybe we can clean up FPTP later.
Of course it will … hahahahaha
