Context: I made a poll on PieFed about the new post flairs (so if you are one of the few hundred people who have a PieFed account, follow that link and answer there). Unfortunately Lemmy has neither polls nor post flairs, so this post is to open up the discussion to the wider Fediverse, or rather the subset of it that encompasses Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed, which is called… what exactly?
Is Threadiverse too traumatic & tainted by association with Meta’s (all but entirely defunct) Threads? Is The Verse too cool/poetic/nerdy (but niche) to be understood? I highly advise against Lemmyverse bc mainstream normal people are far less tolerant of tankies than we who are here are willing to put up with. Simply listing the software available sometimes is the best option - like the Interstellar app supports all of Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed, but most support at best 1 or 2 of those - but usually is too long to say and does not roll off the tongue, plus will just keep growing as time goes on. Is Forumverse thus the least bad of the available options, or perhaps you have a better idea? 💡
Anyway, the start to a listing:
- Threadiverse
- Forumverse
- (The) Verse
- Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed
- Something else?
Well, if you look at the sidebar of !fediverse@piefed.social i included NodeBB. 😅
Forumverse : for any news and features about Lemmy, Mbin, NodeBB, PieFed
So it can’t be Lemmy,Mbin,PieFed. And i’m adding flarum.
However, we can create separate category :
- aggregator link : lemmy,mbin,piefed
- forum : nodebb, flarum
For 4) i’m against. Link aggregator shouldn’t be tied by a software name but a global concept as thread of forum. If i have 6 softwares…do you write them all ?
I think we should redo the post, but, for nom, let’s see where it go 😊
Gonna be the odd one out here and say that all of these names are kinda stupid, but Lemmyverse is probably the best of the bunch.
The word itself sounds nice, but is the least inclusive.
That’s like saying that all of these conversations that we all have are on Lemmy.World? Sure, it’s between 50 and 80% true (users and the most active communities, respectively, including this one we are in now), but it misses a ton of nuance and detail there.
PieFed, Mbin, and now nodebb, with others on the way (flarum, perhaps Sublinks) also exist.
So why call this all “Lemmy”, when that’s only a part - granted, by far the majority portion - of the whole?
Lemmyville
A quorum of forums.
I’ve been calling them “Redditlikes” or “Reddit replacements” in ordinary conversation. We won’t need terms like that forever, though.
I mean, yeah it’ll be better to have a term in which Reddit plays no part in defining is!
And this post is an opportunity to make exactly such a term!
Say “fuck spez” in the absolute best way possible - by moving on and forget that he ever existed, as we build our own stuff here.:-D
Definitely agreed.
Censorverse… If you don’t tow the line we’ll de-federate you, this aspect of Lemmy defeats the entire purpose of federation, might as well just call it Facebook II.
I feel like that’s more just human nature, which occurs everywhere.
Also, you still retain the right to say whatever you want… though conversely, why then shouldn’t the other side of every single conversation likewise have the right to opt out of it?
Unfortunately Lemmy does not offer great tools (though PieFed offers many more!) to close the enormous gap between “must federate everything” vs. “defederation, thus no longer federates anything at all”. Like there’s a “user instance block”, which doesn’t actually block instances nor users on them. So if someone doesn’t like something, block it is then, bc the tools themselves offer nothing else. We are somehow more authoritian than even Reddit was over here!? Yeah, bc Reddit at least notifies you when your content is removed, and offers a modmail to communicate about it, plus a removed post remains accessible to anyone with a link, but not so wrt Lemmy, which shows a 404 not found, please try again later message when a post is removed by a mod. Seriously, “try again”?! - why, is the mod going to reconsider for some reason?
But… it is what it is.
Thats not censorship though. You can still say whatever you want, just dont act surprised if people dont stick around to hear it.
Lembipie. What else?
(And why does this particular subset need a name, anyway? The plus combo is easier to get the point across with)
As the creator of Mbin I’m also calling it Threadiverse.
@melroy Unfortunately, as I explained elsewhere, the problem is that Meta has now “infected” the word thread.
For this reason I would propose #topicverse also because in fact, it is not so much the “thread” that characterizes the Lemmy/xBin/Piefed/BBCode environment, but the ability to immediately identify the “topics”. In fact, Mastodon also has the thread, even if it is unwatchable, but the topic display is only available in some software (and some apps like Raccoon for Friendica, which allow you to view the topics of activitypub groups also on Mastodon)Thank you for weighing in, this is quite helpful! 🙏
Lemmy Federate also says this:
1: Threadiverse refers to Fediverse software that implements “FEP-1b12: group federation”. For example, Lemmy, Mbin, Guppe, NodeBB and others…
Maybe try to get a piefed namedrop there?
I noticed PieFed.social on page 9, and the link is functional, even though next to it the status says “disabled”.
That site doesn’t seem very trustworthy. I wonder if it is measuring how “Lemmy-like” an instance is? Anyway I’ve never heard of that site before, but passing the note to @rimu@piefed.social anyway in case it helps:-).
It’s run by an instance admin. I wanna say lemy.lol?
even though next to it the status says “disabled”.
I believe that just means piefed.social isn’t participating in the service.
Edit: is that right, @iso@lemy.lol?
Yes, it is just disabled. Lemmy Federate supports every threadiverse software and Piefed is one of them.
Currently Piefed communities can be followed by Lemmy instances but not the other way around.
In general, every fediverse software that support FEP-1b12 and can receive Lemmy-like PM’s can register to Lemmy Federate.
/cc @OpenStars@discuss.online @rimu@piefed.social @julian@community.nodebb.org
Yeah something is screwy - PieFed.social is most definitely aware of lemy.lol (see this at https://piefed.social/instance/lemy.lol), but the last post it has from your own account seems to be nine months ago, and the second link on that page I linked, to “Posts” yields an error.
Nor does this portion of the conversation appear in this version of the OP (see here, which should have all of these responses below it but they are lacking there).
So apologies, I guess it’s not just the tool, rather the issue is wider than that: either your instance lemy.lol or PieFed.social (or both) are not communicating in the standard manner with one another. Fwiw, PieFed.social seems to have no trouble federating with (any? at least the vast majority?) of other Lemmy instances? But I will leave that to you and rimu to work out:-).
Interesting. I didn’t realize my instance wasn’t federated with Piefed. I’ll contact the Piefed admins about this.
However, this issue is probably not related to Lemmy Federate because Piefed.social doesn’t even use it.
Currently Piefed communities can be followed by Lemmy instances but not the other way around.
You mean using your tool, or overall?
Of course using the tool :)
@iso@lemy.lol what’s a “lemmy-like” PM :laughing: I think this explains why I can’t log into the site.
IIRC Lemmy and Mastodon PMs are different and incompatible. If you can receive PMs from Lemmy users then you should be able to receive auth codes. Currently @rikudou@lemmings.world is adding both Lemmy and Mastodon PMs here: https://github.com/ismailkarsli/lemmy-federate/pull/33
Also software other than Lemmy and Mbin needs to add ‘roleName: Administrator’ to their user webfinger requests. This is because ActivityPub doesn’t have a standard way to expose user roles.
I’m thinking of adding another ways of verifying like DNS based verification but still not sure. Any recommendations are welcome :)
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org NodeBB here, agreed.
It really is the most succinct nickname to describe the type of software we are… and I feel that outweighs possible association with Threads.
I follow you now :)
Threadiverse is by far the best name for it.
Threadiverse
I’ve been calling it threadiverse because that is what I saw most other people call it.
Really all it is is “ActivityPub groups” or if that is too technical, “fediverse groups”.
The linked linkers, because we’re link aggregators that link together.
Oh shit my vote made 100%, I didn’t know I was the first to vote.
The Verse it is then 😁
Le Verse in my corner of the world.
Edit 2: and oops, apparently editing a poll to say this erases all of the votes. Welp, we are learning!:-P Sorry about that!
Yup:-( Though only one vote was lost anyway, bc that poll didn’t federate out to Lemmy:-).
I must have missed that, the OP vote seems to have stayed unedited and the vote count seems ok, from my 2 piefed accounts.
Maybe we are poetic!? :-P
aggriverse
Is that bc of this being a post aggregation? Then wouldn’t it be an “aggreverse”?
fedeverse?
I like that one, but it makes me think of agrivate or agriculture
Or “aggressive”
Lem-bin pie?
Lempiebin?
I’ve always liked threadiverse, since it describes what’s unique about this aspect of the Fediverse.
