An open source project the size of Lemmy needs constant work to manage the project, implement new features and fix bugs. Dessalines and I work full-time on these tasks and more. As there is no advertising or tracking, all of our work is funded through donations. Unfortunately the amount of donations has decreased to only 2000€ per month. This leaves only 1000€ per developer, which is not enough to pay my bills. With the current level of donations I will be forced to find another job, and drastically reduce my contributions to Lemmy. To avoid this outcome and keep Lemmy growing, I ask you to please make a recurring donation:
Liberapay | Ko-fi | Patreon | OpenCollective | Crypto
If you want more information before donating, consider the comparison with Reddit. It began as startup funded by rich investors. The site is managed by corporate executives who over time have become more and more disconnected from normal users. Their main goal is to make investors happy and to make a profit. This leads to user-hostile decisions like firing the employee responsible for AMAs, blocking third-party apps and more. As Reddit is a single website under a single authority, it means all users need to follow the same rules, including ridiculous ones like censoring the name “Luigi”.
Lemmy represents a new type of social media which is the complete opposite of Reddit. It is split across many different websites, each with its own rules, and managed by normal people who actually care about the users. There is no company and no profit motive. Much of the work is carried out by volunteer admins, mods and posters, who contribute out of enthusiasm and not for money. For users this is great as there is no advertising nor tracking, and no chance of takeover by a billionaire. Additionally there are no builtin political or ideological restrictions. You can use the software for any purpose you like, add your own restrictions or scrutinize its inner workings. Lemmy truly belongs to everyone.
Dessalines and I work fulltime on Lemmy to keep up with all the feature requests, bug reports and development work. Even so there is barely enough time in the day, and no time for a second job. Previously I sometimes had to rely on my personal savings to keep developing Lemmy for you, but that can’t go on forever. We partly rely on NLnet for funding, but they only pay for development of new features, and not for mandatory maintenance work. The only available option are user donations. To keep it viable donations need to reach a minimum of 5000€ per month, resulting in a modest salary of 2500€ per developer. If that goal is reached Dessalines and I can stop worrying about money, and fully focus on improving the software for the benefit of all users and instances. Please use the link below to see current donation stats and make your contribution! We especially rely on recurring donations to secure the long-term development and make Lemmy the best it can be.
Update: For those of you who want to support Lemmy development without financing the hosting of lemmy.ml, know that the hosting is paid exclusively through OpenCollective. You can see the payment details at this link. This means donations through all other platforms (Liberapay, Ko-fi, Patreon, Crypto) are exclusively for Lemmy development, and not a single cent goes to lemmy.ml hosting.
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I advise you to consider the weekly pledge over the one time donation. It would be a better course of action as it might help them plan ahead.
Also, I’m a caveman, so I would advise against following my advice
The real devs are locked into a server room with appropriate supplies of food and caffeine. So dont worry about them.
Yearly or weekly doesnt make a big difference so whatever works for you. Depending on the platform small donations may have higher fees though.
But I want to support lemmy.ml
Then you can donate via Opencollective. But honestly it doesnt matter, because lemmy.ml hosting is already covered, and is very cheap compared to developer salaries.
I appreciate the transparency! :)
This should probably be documented on the open collective page.
Right, updated.
This update is what made me setup a recurring donation.
Thanks :)
Who are the developers and what instance are they affiliated with?
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As far as I understand it, the development team of Lemmy is bigger than that, but nutomic and dessalines as the founders and paid to develop lemmy full-time of course are the most important ones.
@sleeplessone@lemmy.ml is a maintainer of lemmy I think and
@dullbananas@lemmy.ca is a maintainer of lemmy backend?
Not sure about the status of flamingos and phiresky who also contribute to the codebase and were part of the recent AMA
Flamingos is a much loved admin of feddit.uk ☺️
Nutomic and Dessalines, and lemmy.ml
Doubled my monthly donation hopefully more people will do the same.
I’ve been hosting my own instance for two years now without hiccups.
I don’t really mind which way I donate but I want to ensure I donate by giving the most money to lemmy and not to whatever platform is hosting it.
While I am not particularly interested in setting up crypto, aside from that which platform would you prefer I donated from?
Liberapay is the best option, because it doesnt take any fees beyond payment processing, and its also open source. Thanks for donating!
Are any of the posted platforms better or worse to subscribe to? Patreon is easiest but if there are any percentages taken out etc etc I’ll switch it up
Both Liberapay and Ko-fi have no fees (besides payment processing). Liberapay has the additional advantage of being open source, and automatically splitting payments between Dessalines and me.
liberapay is probably the best. For payments processed there by stripe the fee avg is around 3.1%, and there’s no additional fee to the platform. Patreon ends up being like 15-20% iirc when you add up all fees. Unsure about opencollective or ko-fi
Jeez thats a huge cut from Patreon what the hell! Will definitely switch
ko-fi does not take a platform fee (unless they specifically enabled giving away 5% to ko-fi but I don’t think they did)
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Thanks :)
From what I can see, what’s stopping a lot of people donating is the fact that donations cover .ml as well, I personally think this is a non-issue, because .ml doesn’t cost much to run (from what I can see).
Would it be possible to split donations for lemmy development, and donations for lemmy.ml?
There’s also the fact that Nutomic is a known transphobe, and donating to lemmy’s development means supporting said transphobe. If we could get non-problematic devs, that would be ideal. But until then, the only real options are “use Reddit” or “support a tankie transphobe.” And neither is a great choice.
what does a cia-backed color revolution in hungary 70 years ago have to do with lemmy?
no, no no they mean the modern definition of tankie: Someone left of Kamala Harris (everyone knows she’s as left as it gets before you horseshoe theory around and become red fash)
piefed.social fedia.io joinmbin.org join.piefed.social
tAnKiE
You are on a “tankie” website made for and by tankies
I’m specifically not on a tankie website; I’m on an anarchist website that is federated with a tankie website. The largest reason most instances still federate with .ml is because it’s the only instance that the devs will use. So if you want to actively follow Lemmy’s development, (and despite the devs’ problematic attitudes, I think everyone here wants Lemmy to succeed), you need to federate with .ml.
You are sitting on lemmy complaining about lemmy devs being tankies so you won’t donate to them but you want them to succeed but you hate them but you love them
You can want a project to succeed, even if you don’t like the person in charge of the project.
Its not that hard. If hitler (or name your villain) made and kept improving a cancer drug and nobody else is taking up the mantle, you’d probably care more about keeping people alive (or in this case off of heroinbook and reddit) than the person.
Lets be honest, 2500 per dev is a joke. They could be making three times that if they just accepted one of the offers that are thrown at them BECAUSE of lemmy and other projects showing their skills.
Barely keeping them alive is not helping their views or anything they care about besides lemmy being improved. For transparency reasons I too would prefer to have separate fundraiser for ml directed at ml users but thats a different topic.
Another important point is that reddit stans would want you to hate tankies grrr and not donate so lemmy goes away as one of the few alternatives. A alone would fund these two if I could just because fuck reddit.
I love what they’ve made but their views are absolutely abhorrent. Having said that I am willing to donate as the project overall is a beautiful piece of software & I’ve donated a handful of times already but I will seethe that a single penny goes to keeping .ml online.
Yes it would be possible. The question is if people would really be more willing to donate in that case, or if they would look for a different excuse instead.
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Actually lemmy.ml hosting is only funded via Opencollective, so if you donate through any other platform the money goes entirely to developer salaries.
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I already updated the description on Opencollective to mention this. Other platforms only cover developer salaries like the descriptions say.
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That seems unnecessary because most people dont care. There is a vocal minority which keeps complaining but they dont need to be appeased any more.
Took me a moment to understand the point. But I agree, from a transparency view alone. The users of .ml should be funding .ml, not the people trying to keep lemmy as a project alive. Generally, large insrances should be funding the project, not the project those instances imo.
Lemmy.ml is the dev test instance, for one, and for two, the donations are to pay the devs wages, which allows them to dev Lemmy full time. You’re essentially saying you want to control what the devs of Lemmy can pay for with their salaries at that point.
What’s wrong with dev.lemmy.ml enterprise.lemmy.ml and ds9.lemmy.ml?
That aside, I think that there would be enough people who would donate to .ml, I read somewhere that it was €30/month, which doesn’t seem like much.
We always put out calls before (major) releases, but very few ppl actually help test. This means a lot of bugs only get spotted when more eyes see them in production.
All of these issues are solved in the corporate world by paying quality assurance / testing teams, but open source projects don’t have those resources.
We always put out calls before (major) releases, but very few ppl actually help test
Where are those posted? I think I always miss them, happy to help with testing before major releases
In the matrix dev chats, but we could also post them elsewhere.
The fact that there aren’t a lot of users to give feedback. Lemmy.ml is like a public beta channel, in a way.
true, but if it gets more people to donate, I think it would help.
Can I donate only to Dessalines and not you? Cause fuck transphobes
Nutomic is transphobe?
First I’ve heard of it, I’d like to find a source first though
I don’t agree with the “promoted by the bourgeoisie” thing, but I don’t see any transphobia here
If it’s about the “biological men” competing in “women’s sport”, then that’s not transphobia, that’s just a valid criticism. Some sports are separated by sex for the reason that biological men are often advantaged as having overall more strength, being taller…
Separating sports by sex was a mean to bring fairness to sport, not as a way to discriminate based on the gender. Allowing biological men expressing their gender as women (or MtF / transgender woman, to use this vocabulary), which most likely benefited partly or entirely from male’s body structure and natural physical advantages, is idiotic to say the least. Hormone treatments (if taken) don’t revert those changes/body parts entirely, and as such, remains unfair.
People crying about having MtF being able to compete in F teams really harms the cause.
And before I get defamed by being called transphobic: no, I’m not, and I support LGBT.
fuck off transphobic pos. seriously walk off a pier
You’re getting caught in bad faiths arguments from the right. MtF athletes do not retain any exceptional advantage against cisgender ones.
I believe you when you say you support the LGBT cause, but then please educate yourself on the topic and stop defending this position.
I’ll check. Maybe I’m wrong! Afaik no hormonal treatment was needed for some sports so inherently it made me question it (but I might be wrong).
I’m not talking about exceptional advantages, just any, but alright.
But having my comment removed is just dumb. If I’m wrong, let the comment be there, the downvotes will show that I am wrong, and people can learn and discuss this way. Being censored for being potentially and unwillingly wrong when I’m open to discussion is just dumb.
Thats not how moderation works. Misinformation and Disinformation, especially about oppressed minorities have no space on lemmy. It is okay to not know it and read up on it but just because you dont double down doesnt mean the initial point must stay. Additionally, feel free to host your own instance with all the “varied views” you want.
Agree to disagree then I guess
That’s your point of view, and I have my own
Came here to have less censorship and more freedom than on Reddit, found out that it’s worse, eh
No, this is transphobic. End of story.
Great arguments, thanks
Some sports are separated by sex for the reason that biological men are often advantaged as having overall more strength, being taller…
Yeah, no…
https://swimswam.com/ioc-releases-study-on-whether-trans-women-have-athletic-advantages/
The research showed that transgender female athletes had greater handgrip strength—an indicator of overall muscle strength—but lower jumping ability, lung function and relative cardiovascular fitness compared to cisgender women.
Does that sound like an overall advantage?
puts out paragraphs gatekeeping trans people out
keeps making a distinction between “biological men”, “MtF” and “F”
not a transphobe though I support youYou’re a transphobe and you aren’t allowed to disagree with trans people on whats transphobic and what isn’t. I’m cis though you can disagree with me, but the fact that you are disagreeing with a trans person makes it moot.
That’s just stupid. That’s the argument from authority reinvented.
Sure, they are more apt to say what is and what isn’t transphobic, but the debate doesn’t end there, and one isn’t always right because they are concerned.
And apparently I’m transphobic. I guess you can see things that I can’t, because I didn’t know this myself.
The argument from authority is a fallacy because someone who was right about a topic a 100 times can be wrong a 101st time.
But a trans person talking about their lived experience and what they consider offensive is right all the time, since its their experience. It’s not an “opinion” they’re well researched in, something being hurtful to them is a fact because it is hurting them. Furthering that hurt is transphobic. Trans people are the ultimate authority on what is transphobic because they can tell you what is hurting them directly.
Like imagine saying “my arm hurts when you do this” and the doctor goes “hmmm are you sure, it doesn’t look this should hurt, lets agree to disagree”. Agreeing with the doctor would be an “argument from authority”, agreeing with the patient is just common sense. You’re the authority on whats hurtful to you, trans people are the authority on what is hurtful to them.
The word transphobic has the meaning that it is globally transphobic, and as such, it needs a consensus. An individual may not say “it hurts me” and as such the word automatically become globally transphobic.
If a black person says the term “black person” is racist and feels offended by it, it doesn’t mean they right about the term being racist. It just means that they were offended by it.
Appart from that, being offended by something doesn’t mean that thing is Xphobic. This terminology specifically means the fear of, or the hate/rejection of…, at least in the commonly used meaning.
Giving an opinion or inaccurate facts is not Xphobic if the intent was not there.
A perfect example is how the nword can, depending on the context, be considered as a racial slur or not. This is proved by the fact everyday usage and the legal decisions in some countries, including mine.
An example in my country, France, would be the word “pd” / “pédé” which literally means “faggot” in its usual meaning, and is homophobic due to that, but usage and context made it “not homophobic” in specific cases where the pejorative discriminatory intent was not meant, just like the nword.
Having separate women’s teams at all was about access to organized sports activities because the existing men-only leagues banned them from participating. Rather than simply break down that barrier, legal and social compromises were made for women to participate but with the patriarchical addendum of only in separate leagues. Sometimes it was laws requiring women’s leagues to exist where men’s did. Sometimes it was women making their own leagues because they were excluded by men’s leagues.
The idea that women have separate leagues for “fairness” because they simply all wanted to be separate from men when competing is historical revisionism and a talking point largely concocted for the sole purposes of misogyny and transphobic exclusion, such as your comment.
concocted for the sole purposes of misogyny and transphobic exclusion, such as your comment.
Bold of you to assume this of me, when you don’t know me in any way. That wasn’t the purpose of my comment, I assure you.
I’ll do my research. In the meantime, stop making assumptions :)
The rationale was concocted for those purposes. You may simply be repeating it because you weren’t aware of the history or context.
going as far as putting lgbt flags on government buildings
This motherfucker actually fell for rainbow capitalism
I realize that it was a mistake to post that. The transgender topic is much more complex and more controversial than I knew at the time. So I will refrain from commenting on it in the future. In any case I’m happy that there are so many transgender people on Lemmy.
I just found out about this and honestly this is a disappointing response. Apparently this happened a while ago from what I gather, but your response right now is to say it is a complex and controversial topic? No one is born knowing, but this is something you as communist should be well informed about. The fact that Hexbear has a ton of transgender users alone should be enough to reevaluate such position. Please go about doing proper research and asking trans people for resources they can provide for debunking your transphobic views. Do not refrain from talking about in the future, you need to genuinely engage in this to be able to change such views. If you’re truly willing to learn and change, you need to demonstrate that. I doubt any trans communist, specially on Hexbear, wouldn’t be willing to help you come around on your views.
I’m gonna be candid with you this is what your comment reads like (to me):
I realize that it was a mistake to post that.
But not to think it.
The transgender topic is much more complex and more controversial than I knew at the time.
The controversy is between the oppressed and oppressors. It’s “complex” because you don’t stand in solidarity with the oppressed.
So I will refrain from commenting on it in the future.
But continue to think like that and act accordingly in silent
In any case I’m happy that there are so many transgender people on Lemmy.
Since it keeps them out of sports?
Okay the last one was a joke because it feels like such an empty phrase after the non-apology preceding it. I’ve been putting off reading this for a long time, but will pledge to do so now starting today. Join me.
This response itself belies a chauvanism which is not befitting of a communist. Socialism requires the liberation of all, and queer workers face super-oppression due to their status as being queer or trans.
A solid stance on queer liberation is critical for socialists to have because queer people are one of the many groups in society that due to their super-oppression can act as lightning rods for conflict against the bourgeois state.
I recommend this article on Leslie Feinberg and hir life. It’s critical as communists to have the right stance on this much in the same way as supporting AES and National Liberation, and dismissive attitudes such as your initial reaction here betray a chauvanism that other revolutionaries or oppressed people will likely find sickening. I don’t say this to demean the possibility of your growth, but instead to say that I want to see your growth on this issue and to take the right stance.
I think it’s best that yes you are learning, but you shouldn’t refrain, you should be continuing your discussion so you can learn your blindspots and aim better.
If you asked me like ~4 years ago about some stuff like DID, I was insensitive and I have learned better. The continued conversation is what enabled me to continue progress in understanding.
I do hope you are learning better and this isn’t to brush it aside, but I always hope for betterment until proven wrong.
Did you also unban and apologize to the person that posted that?
Also, transgender people are people, not a topic. Imagine describing something as “the black topic”.
beaver@lemmy.ca deleted their account so it can’t be unbanned but have many, many unbanned alts like sunshine@lemmy.ca who is not banned
this is a half-assed non-apology and basically a promise not to grow or learn anything about trans people (people, not a “topic”; frankly dehumanising). are you a marxist or not?
Do you also think that eg when corporations celebrate Black History Month that the bourgeoisie is also pro-Black? Capitalism has a vested interest in neutering and subsuming liberation movements so that they cannot pose a threat to capital itself, and also of course, as groups such as LGBTQ+ people become less socially stigmatised, it becomes worth it profit-wise to market towards these demographics specifically as the financial hit from bigots becomes less. We can see this reverse in real time in the US as it becomes more profitable to appeal to social reactionaries, showing that any appeals to “pride” were, as queer people have been saying all along, a marketing campaign and nothing deeper.
I don’t think this comment at all suffices. If you’re going to be a communist, then you need to put the effort in to engaging with all struggles for emancipation, and that includes trans people’s struggles. You shouldn’t “refrain from commenting on” liberation struggles; you should be supporting them.
You make some good points. But keep in mind that I dont live in the United States, and I have never even met a transgender person irl. For me this is something which is only discussed online, so Im missing a lot of context and information. Case in point, I had no idea what “Black History Month” is and had to look that up. Anyway if I discuss this topic further it will be through an anonymous alt account, to avoid any further drama.
You have certainly met a trans person if you’ve met, say, 100 people. You just didn’t recognize them from their appearance or voice, either because they are closeted or because they convinced you they were cis from their appearance and voice. Presumably your country is so oppressive towards trans people that they are too afraid of being out, there are no trans events for you to attend in solidarity, or you are just making excuses for reactionary positions.
Trans visibility is not just in the United States. Out and self-identifying trans people are visible around the world, including the two largest countries, China and India. You can’t visit either imperialized county without meeting someone that is self-identifying themselves as trans. And one of those countries is run by a communist party.
These responses just sound like a reactionary unwilling to self-crit. And I don’t see much in the way of any alt accounts: the people criticizing thoss non-apologies and continued ignorant statements generally don’t have any replies.
Do open self-crit and try to learn from those who know better.
I also don’t live in the United States; do you think trans people only exist in the US? Transfemicide is an even bigger issue in the global south; for instance, Brazil, a global south country, is notorious for its high transfemicide rates, and has a strong transfeminist movement as a result. There will be trans people in all countries who face transphobia, and the countries lacking a particularly noticeable trans liberation movement will be because transphobia is so bad there that trans people feel the risk of speaking out is too great.
I do suggest that you put some effort into educating yourself and engaging with trans and LGBTQ+ struggles where you are, which will not just be “online”. I don’t know where you live, but at worst it will just be the case that the trans people where you are, are not inclined to become political militants because of both transphobia in general meaning they put an even bigger target on their heads, and transphobia on the left that is common across the world meaning that trans people feel unwelcome in organising spaces. This is not related to the original topic of donations, I mean this just for the sake of your politics. If you really can’t find any kind of organised political activity around trans issues where you are, you could at least read transfeminist texts, and tbh feminist texts in general, since feminist theory (including Marxist feminist theory) has discussed the issue of gender, gender essentialism, and transphobia for decades now. For instance, in relation to your screenshotted dm above, it has been a feminist demand for decades (rescinded upon only because some feminists decided to jump on the anti-trans bandwagon) to desegregate sports, and I think anyone who knows anything about women’s sports knows all the ways in which the gendered segregation of sports harms women athletes’ careers.
Refusing to make someone’s financial situation easier until they stop being transphobic is not a convincing argument against transphobia. Think about how your actions affect your side’s reputation from the other side’s perspective.
Oh no wont someone please consider trans peoples reputation from a transphobic perspective?
I don’t give a fuck about convincing transphobes, I believe they should all be thrown off a cliff along with every other kind of bigot. Obviously, I will not pay a transphobe if I can avoid it.
Rejecting someone that aligns with oppression is a great way to build against oppression, actually. Do you think Jewish Germans should have donated to the Nazis to build up “good faith” with them? Surely if they just acted like, “good Jews” they would have been spared, right?
This logic is typical status quo liberalism that tells you to tut-tut every oppressed group for not fighting back “the right way”. Of course, liberals have never succeeded using the methods they suggest, so this really amounts to telling the oppressed to shut up and die. This talking point is promulgated so that you and others will refuse to work in solidarity with the oppressed. Don’t let yourself be manipulated this way.
Prove that this is not false equivalence fallacy. Maybe there’s additional info about Nutomic that I’m missing.
Why do I need to prove a negative? Get your fallacies in order! I also recommend against relying so much on trying to identity fallacies, as we are not exactly engaging in formal modus tollens here and what I am saying to you is intended to get you to critically engage with what you are saying, not be an unassailable treatise on resistance that covers every eventuality.
Societal liberalism reinforces the status quo, or I should really say, reinforces capitalism, and that tends to mean reproducing oppressions that can be leveraged by capital. Even the existence of reactionaries who marginalize others is often in the interests of caputal. “Don’t blame the people firing you for losing your job, it must be the immigrants doing this to you! Hey, don’t complain about your life, at least you’re not [oppressed group]” These serve very practical functions for disunity among people that could otherwise find common ground against the interests of capital.
The liberal tut-tutting of what is supposedly ineffective opposition is part of this as well. It comes from op-eds from ghoulish warmongers, those complicit in genocide, and a political class invested in you not actually aligning against oppressors in any meaningful way. Notice the complete lack of action from yourself in doung anything about this transphobe. Just pushing against those who do. Ask yourself what role you are playing.
I need additional information, probably about Nutomic’s behavior, to see how it’s related to what you’re talking about.
The information is in the thread you are replying to. And no, you actually don’t, becauae what we are discussing is your paternalistic liberal response to others refusing to donate to a transphobe and then your leaning on debatebro fallacy misunderstandings when I explained what was wrong with it.
If you can’t self-criticize and adapt then just don’t respond.
It was not “debatebro” because nothing I said, except probably my first comment, was debating. Sorry for the confusion.
Exactly.
I will consider contributing financially to Dessalines but not nutomic so long as they spread and maintain reactionary positions against trans people. To be honest I’m even on the fence about Dessalines for maintaining a public relationship with nutomic in light of this.
“Give money to a transphobe so we can have open source Reddit” doesn’t have a great ring.
Really wish Nutomic would apologize for it, it’s depressing.
you can do better
The transgender topic is much more complex and more controversial than I knew at the time.
not an apology. wish you were still banned.
Are we to assume you think this is an apology?
Page not found.
Just scroll down 👇
There is nothing to scroll, it just says
GoException: no routes for location: /post/29579005/18404108?hint=29579005/18404108&hintInstance=lemmy.ml
That sounds like a your app problem. Try using a browser.
Not click and scroll, just scroll, the link is to a comment on this page.
Can you please just apologize to those who were offended and promise to be more sensitive moving forward? That’s the sure-fire way to defuse the allegations accusing you of being a transphobe and put everybody at ease.
Refraining to comment further on the topic is smart until you learn more about the dynamics at hand. Transgender individuals face an unprecedented amount of discrimination and vitriol.
If anything, the bourgeoisie are generally polarizing people against each other, particularly pitting people against others who are different or who are in vulnerable positions.
Nutomic has also stated that donations for Lemmy development also go towards server costs for .ml… Yeah, no thanks.
So when are you donating?
Donations are the Devs income stream, so they are in fact paying for .ml out of their own pocket. “funding development” doesn’t actually mean anything beyond “paying the developer’s wages” for Lemmy, so once you’ve paid them you don’t get a choice in how they spend their income.
Do you have a preference as to which platform the donation is done through?
Liberapay is preferable as it has low fees and is also open source.
Thank you, Liberapay it is. Keep up the good work!
SCAM!
??? what platform do you think lemmy.world runs?
I thought he was a bot. I was wrong.
It happens :p
The internet has made people truly paranoid lol.
We’re currently living in the Grift Age of civilization.
You thought Lemmy’s co-founder and main developer is a bot? Lmao
Despite my best efforts I do act like a dumbass at times.
Welcome to the club. And it’s very much not limited only to internet forums.
no
You’re correct.
Featured, best of luck to the donation drive. The lemmy developers do good work and deserve good pay
Has nutomic ever apologized for his transphobia? That behavior should never be rewarded
I just noticed that featuring will only pin to “All” and not “Local”. It is helpful to cross-post to a local community to pin it more visibly.
Good point, thanks
How long has it been since you’ve thought of the Zootopia Abortion Comic?
Anyway, I’ll happily keep paying the devs.
Best of luck raising funds! 👍 Pinned for extra visibility.
For someone like me who wants to see Lemmy be a place that’s owned by users, run by users, and moderated sensibly, what should I do? I have a problem with supporting the lemmy.ml instance.
Don’t discard imperfect allies.
If the development of Lemmy stops, all of this goes away and people end up back on Reddit or conventional social media.
Keep using it and support whatever replacement comes by if they fail to find because of the Deb’s shitty behavior
lemmy.ml hosting is exclusively paid via Opencollective. All other donation options go directly into developer salaries, so not a single cent goes to lemmy.ml hosting.
The lemmy.ml instance costs like 30$/month to run. Your donation isn’t going to that; your donation is going to develop Lemmy itself
If they do not treat lemmy.ml server donations separately from lemmy development donations, that is a problem.
Nah
I don’t want to block lemmy.ml, it’s not like I hate that instance or anything. But I don’t see why I should finance this server - it’s definitely not just a development server. I would like to finance development of lemmy without that money going into that server.
By donating you are not financing the lemmy.ml server, because that is already long covered with a much lower donation level. Everything above that is exclusively for developer salaries.
Just donated via ko-fi!
That’s not quite how a pool of money works.
Once you fill the gas tank in a motorcycle, you can’t pick which molecules of gas go towards acceleration and which ones go towards idling at a red light.
They need users to test, and let people in to do so. The fact that the people here use the server is a necessary function for getting feedback and results from testing. Plus, the server costs are cheap, it’s the life costs that you would really be supporting.
They can pick a different instance, this is bullshit speak.
Wanna be a dev? Fine. Keep your authoritarian bullshit out of it. The devs for lemmy being known as authoritarians causes new people to avoid lemmy.
They literally created the platform. They can moderate their instance however they like. That’s the point of the platform.
And being “authoritarian” is when you moderate your own server how you see fit, like banning the equivalent of bad faith spamming of My Lai, Tulsa Riot, or the 1985 MOVE Bombing Wikipedia articles and pictures in obvious attempts at anti communism and stirring shit.
What “different instance?” Lemmy.ml has always been the test instance, you can block it if you don’t like dealing with Communists. You’re complaining about an anti-Capitalist, federated platform being developed by Communists, if you want a platform with everyone conforming to your views there are other platforms for you.
Some fraction of my donation would go towards the $30. Any amount of money going from me to .ml, be it $10 or $.00001, is too much.
I know $30 is “not much”, but the amount doesn’t change my principles.
Your donation isn’t going to that
www.lemm.ee has been the only place I’ve enjoyed using lemmy
Lemmy instances are already owned and run by their different instance admins and moderators. Regardless of how you feel about Lemmy.ml, development for Lemmy supports all who use different instances.
The alternatives are doing the dev work yourself, or finding a different platform to use.
There are other options… Lemmy development could stop and plenty of people would keep using it in its current atate. Maybe it’d even continue to grow.
Or maybe the developers quit and another team steps in? Open source projects are never fully tied to a single developer team.
The low server cost doesn’t change anything for me. I’m just a person who won’t donate if any amount goes towards keeping that place running under the current admins.
Then teams can fork it if they want, it’s FOSS. Lemmy is adopted because the devs are competent, and a lot of us came here specifically because there are Communists here.
Yes, I agree. Maybe that will happen, or maybe it won’t.
Experience has shown that when others try, they stumble significantly.
GOOD point
“You have to donate to tankie transphobes to support the Reddit alternative” isn’t a great look though. And nutomic has stated that donations for Lemmy development also go towards supporting the .ml servers. That’s a massive issue with the way funding is handled, no matter how you look at it.
I’ve vocally criticized Nutomic’s transphobia, but I have no issue with them being Communists. Further, I already answered the bit about funding Lemmy.ml, let me copy and paste the relevant section:
Further, as @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml said, the Lemmy.ml costs are very low, it’s the actual life costs that allow development of much-asked for features and maintenance to continue.
The donations pay the devs salaries. Donations pay for their video games, food, etc. What the devs do with their salaries allows them to continue developing Lemmy full time, how they choose to spend their salaries is on them.
Have you considered applying for a FUTO grant?
I actually got in contact with them yesterday, will probably have a meeting soon to discuss how we can work together with them.
Been donating monthly for a while now!
