“But we’re getting so many views right now, fam…”Wholesome crab bucket mentality
How did they get the rope around him lol
Presumably someone grabbed him and then they grd the rope through and round. Adding more rope and belts as more folks arrived.
I’ve tasted friendship (Ha-ha)
I’ve tasted you (Oh no)
I’ve tasted dying and it tasted good
I’ve tasted heartbreak (Wah)
I’ve tasted food (Uh oh)
I’ve tasted dying and it tasted goodBut that’s dessert
You can have it when the dinner is gone
But that’s dessert (Uh-hoo-ah-oh-ah-oh)
But that’s dessert
You can have it when the dinner is gone
So put it downJack Stauber mentioned!!! What the heck is a normal music video
I’m very worried about everyone here. Really, I know that there is a way out that isn’t suicide–it’s revolution–but it seems like you’ve all submitted to Capitalist Realism. I’ve thought about risking my life in an attempt to overthrow the state, but unlike you all, I am legitimately afraid of losing my life. It’d be such a sad note to end my life on. I wouldn’t be there to see any surprising good things happen. I wouldn’t get to see a socialist system established before me, and I wouldn’t be able to do anything to help anyone. How come you all feel fine about death? There’s nothing afterwards. There were the Viet Cong who couldn’t live to see their country establish socialism, there were the Leninists who died fighting the Tsar who couldn’t see the Soviet Union come to be, there were the slaves who died in Southern plantations who couldn’t see Juneteenth. If you were really willing to die, you’d die in battle.
Bruh bleeding out in a pit of mud on the battlefield as other random people fall on top of my already crushed ribs is way fucking worse than a bullet to the dome.
Plus, this revolution could easily go the other direction and I’ll end up being tortured to death anyway. I feel like this take is possibly the most historically ignorant one possible.
The problem with the Western middle class is they’ve been conditioned to think they’re part of the ruling class.
They believe that the ruling class’ success are their own, until it’s time to get ready to go to work the next day.
They see themselves as above poor people and believe they’re entitled to more before those who have less.
They always believe the solution to their problems is to make more, not spend less.
The issue isn’t just capitalism. It’s not just greed. It’s a culture of consumerism. Hopefully anyone who has been around for a few decades can recognize how much the social landscape has changed in favor of encouraging people to sell themselves out as quickly as possible.
We are living in the most negative of peaces.
People don’t really feel “fine about death” but more like “being alive feels worse than death”.
There is almost always some thing in such a person’s life that is causing such feelings. Even if someone thinks the world is better off without them, it’s caused by how they “perceive” their impact on the world, which can be caused by the way other people interact with them.
Can you explain your ideas in more detail? I’m not understanding, but want to read more.
It was word salad a bit, but I was concerned about people either wanting to die or trying to make clever quips about it.
The term Capitalist Realism I took from Mark Fisher’s book, Capitalist Realism, in which he describes people believing (at the time the book was written) that Capitalism is “human nature”, applies to everything, and that all attempts to the contrary are fruitless. And when someone is buried in debt, and believes in Capitalist Realism, they’d probably commit suicide out of hopelessness. This is why it’s so important to understand how socialism works, and work for its establishment.
TL;DR I understand that the problems are caused by Capitalism. They are fixable, there is still hope, and I worry about so many people considering and glorifying suicide.
This post convinced me to end my life
Suicides no joke.
Please keep your hands, feet and body fully inside the vehicle.
Not that i support suicide, but wouldn’t letting him do it be survival of the fittest at its prime?🤔
80 IQ or just underage.
“Survival of the fittest” is not a moral law. It’s the scientific observation that, for populations of organisms that reproduce and make mistakes while reproducing, those mistakes that better fit the environment the organisms are in are more likely to be passed on, resulting in, generations later, those populations eventually adapting to better fit their environment. There’s no obligation to consider and follow it as if handed down by a judge in the same way there’s no obligation to consider and follow gravity when walking outside.
“Fittest” for what? For example, more educated people have a higher chance to suffer from a mental ilness. Do you think that humanity is better off if only idiots remain?
The other people instinctively want to save him because of kin selection. What you see in this picture is evolution at work.
I understand that, too. I was just curious how others thought of my thought pattern.
Just let him rest, people.
Not everyone wants to exist. We didn’t tell our parents to birth us.
Fuck it
Yet we value life above all else. If people reach that point, where living holds no worth, we as a society have failed them.
we as a society have failed them.
Yep.
But at some point mightn’t it be time to accept that?
That we failed people? I just did.
To accept people want to cease to exist? No. Understand it, respect it, tolerate it if to mitigate unreasonable suffering, yes.
Accept it just because, no. Life is not cheap, discardable or disposeable. So, no.
All adults should have the right to euthanasia.
And even children, if faced with health conditions with no hope or chance of improvement or cure.
I’m not against that. Your life, you should - you are - the only one with a word on how to dispose of it.
But to contemplate death because you see no other option for a life worth living, because society, family, friends, whatever failed you, is not the purpose of euthanasia.
Life is worth living.
I take it you’re pro-life and oppose abortions too? Obviously euthanasia wouldn’t be an option for you, you believe ‘life is worth living’ and a ‘precious gift’ and all that bullshit.
Life is only worth living for those privileged enough to enjoy it; and those with this privilege are going to be fewer and fewer as we progress further into late stage capitalism, fascism, ww3, resource depletion and climate collapse.
It’s nice that you’re having such a great time here, but to deny those who aren’t the right to a safe death justecause you can’t comprehend their suffering -is willfully ignorant and will be actively harmful if this ever becomes something we can vote for.
Every adult who wants access to euthanasia should have access. No ifs, no buts.
I voted in favor of the end of criminalization of abortion in my country; it was the first vote I ever cast and am proud of it.
Not that you asked or even deserve a polite answer after that tirade but I actually saw my mother waste away, for years, as a cancer ate her bit by bit. I don’t wish suffering of any kind to any one, so fuck you and your presuppositions.
And if this answer grants me a ban, I will wear it proudly.
It’s a shame and a disgrace we, as a species, came to the point we are today but if we are to blame anyone - here’s my advice - let’s start by getting our asses from the couch, walk to the nearest mirror and curse at the face staring back at us.
I’m fed up with people that by default take the position that everything is lost and there is no hope. So, again, fuck you and fuck off with that mindset.
Be politically active, stand up for your rights, unionize, talk to other people, meet like minded people, create some change, even if small. Actually do something.
Stop judging for a first.
Did I engage you in bad faith? Refused to answer your questions? I just hold different views from you and will fight to keep them, if necessary at the my own life’s risk.
I’ll repeat it again: I do not want the life of anyone, by default, viewed as discardable or disposable. That is an horrendous way to approach life.
This capital battery is not yet used up; it may not be ejected.
What is the root cause of suicide. I say finance…
Mental illness. Not saying suicide is a mental disorder or you need an mental disorder to be suicidal. Its mostly the stigma of both mental illness and suicide.
Sometimes being trapped with your own mind can be hell
It’s not always that.
I really hate the perspective that if someone doesn’t like life, they must be crazy… because (religious reason, spiritual reason, societal obligation reason, etc).
Life can be bleak and sometimes people make a rational calculation that the pleasure isn’t worth the pain. Suicides make people still alive sad so that’s why they are socially unacceptable, but people should be able to make choices without automatically being deemed crazy.
Pregnancy
Depression, but a lot of time finance is the root cause of depression.
this comment section might be insane
insanely based
Lemmy do be like that.
reality is insane
The Hippocratic oath is far too frequently interpreted as a mandate to unilaterally inflict life as broadly and indiscriminately as possible.
Can’t die, he still owes us taxes /s
Then, after you get “saved” from suicide, they strip you of your rights and shove you in a cell for up to five days.
And that attitude is what the staff will have towards you. You are there to be punished for daring to be suicidal and trying to reject the gift of life. You’ll probably lose your job after the hospital stay, and then get stuck with thousands in bills for the “treatment” (sitting in a room watching day time tv while you listen to people in psychosis or dementia getting the shit beaten out of them by the staff.)
But this is a good thing! It’s so much better to be alive then not dead, that’s why we need to abuse suicidal people!
We should make dying in battle a good thing again. The wrong kind of peace is a blight upon society.
We should not. Instead of taking care of it privately, those with ideations would try to kick off or perpetuate a hot war. Those tend to catch people who weren’t in that pickle up in them.
Battle doesn’t require war. We can bring back raiding I know of quite a few churches that deserve to have the copper wires stripped out of the walls. Imagine the price for scrapping a shitty Mormon temple.
Yepo. I was on a 72hr hold after a manic episode caused by a med interaction (Wellbutrin, took away the mild depression but let the massive anxiety run wild) and it was the worst fucking experience of my life. Literally just stick you in a program that doesn’t give a fuck about why your there, just headcount they can bill for. I was perfectly fine like 2hrs after I got locked in and spent the remaining 70hrs climbing the walls.
0/10 Do not recommend. And this was in Massachusetts, a place wildly known for good healthcare.
I’m in Oklahoma. I went in voluntary a few months ago for suicidal ideation (which I think is a rational reaction to the events of November…)
They upgraded me to involuntary illegally (like, a single therapist accused me of lying when I said I was no longer suicidal, and made the call to hold me.) I had vape smoke blown in my face, was misgendered and assaulted by staff.
I won’t call 988 or any service like that ever. There is no accountability or safety here
Never call 988. Choose life or choose death, do not choose the additional 25 thousand dollar bill, degradation, trauma, and suffering that comes from 988. It’s a trap and the only people who win are big pharma, psychiatric inpatient facility investors or owners, and rich psychiatrists who sling drugs (that barely do more than a placebo), sling false hope, and sling financial exploitation.
Just say no to 988!
My brother used to threaten to kill himself. My mom ended up calling the cops and they took him away on a 5150. They ended up electrocuting him in the facility. No wonder I don’t trust suicide hotlines or therapists.
Just for context, 988 is a Canadian suicide crisis helpline.
That’s so disappointing that one of the first resources that comes up when searching for help would be, essentially, a trap.
i always thought (and pretty sure this is the case in most cases) that suicide was technically a crime to give police an excuse to bust in to stop an attempt if needed. not to put people in fucking jail for failing to go through with it.
but then again the us would like any excuse to incarcerate people so who knows.
They don’t put you in jail - they put you in a “hospital” you can’t leave, which is basically a jail that pretends it helps you. Instead, you get maybe 15 minutes with a psychiatrist (I don’t understand how the one from my suicide attempt passed his TOEFL), who will prescribe you anti depressants. Leaving is contingent on agreeing to take these anti depressants. All of the other staff are random, uncertified people who have the legal right to physically assault you. These are the same people that decide whether to give you a grievance form after beating you up (which gets tossed in the trash anyway.)
Research suggests that suicide rates go up after inpatient hospitalization. A substantial aspect of my PTSD is related to abuse as a child in inpatient facilities. I’m an adult that still has nightmares over this shit.
It’s an industry akin to private prisons. Just another fucked up brain child of soulless financiers that value paper over human life.
Because there is no way to prove involuntary care makes suicide more likely (since those with a financial interest will always say the post-release suicides were hospitalized due to having worse mental health), the grifting of the downtrodden will continue.
I long for the day a genius statisitcian finds a way to prove what all involuntarily treated people already know.
This is why I never told anyone when I held a gun to my head. I was afraid it would ruin my life after I didn’t do it.
It would have. You made the right call to tell no one. I hope you are doing better and are happier.
I am thank you. I am married now and don’t even think about that choice anymore!
American detected.
They do the same in the UK too
At least in the uk they let us keep our phones and provide free wifi/Internet access.
Oh I was never allowed a phone or internet
Having internet was the only thing that kept me sane while staying on the wards, which is darkly ironic considering why I was in there in the first place.
I’ve read on threads like these that in the USA and Canada actual therapy is provided for inpatients though, which is something useful at least. In the UK, inpatient facilities are literally just holding pens till they decide if you’re well enough (able to put up with the abhorrent behaviour of the staff without swearing or being visibly distressed for at least 3 days) to be released.
I thought you have the NHS (and European style sick leave).
Trust me, you DO NOT want to use the NHS for mental health stuff.
Too much of my c/ptsd is from nhsmh services now. The sheer amount of blatantly ignored abuse on those wards has left me terrified of hospitals, healthcare workers and doctors. They can do anything to you in there and you have no voice or rights. They decide what gets written down about you. They decide what happens to you and you belongings.
I’ve been told by several people who’ve been in/worked in prisons, that you have more rights and safety oversights in prisons that on mh wards here.
Out patient care is not much better either. 5+ year waiting lists for 30 minutes of cbt ever 6 weeks to treat your suicidal depression brought on by chronically shit living conditions, isn’t going to be at all helpful. Nor is 7+ years on a waiting list to see a burnt out healthcare worker for ten minutes, who immediatly decides you’re malingering without listening to you or reading your supporting paper work, so you are now deemed unworthy of progressing up the ladder to join a waiting list to see a specialist for your condition.
Wow so your healthcare is chronically underfunded too. Do you also have the privatization ghouls constantly scratching at the edges as well? I hate those guys. Don’t know how to get rid of them, because the well-off folks want to let them in (to the henhouse).
Our current ‘Labour’ government is increasingly far right, despite their once socialist origins. The Conservatives who were in for over a decade before them, gutted and sold off a lot of the NHS, and now Sir Kid Harmer is twisting the knife and finishing the job.
We could have fixed this had the Israeli funded hate crime of our ruling class not slandered and ousted Jeremy Corbyn from the Labour Party. He is a socialist who supports actual human rights, both here and in Palestine. Had he been allowed to be PM instead of Starmer, the privatisation of everything was going to end.
No no, you don’t get it. You have to suicide the slow American way with cancer and heart disease. Pick your favorite form of socially acceptable self mutilation today!
