Its inappropriate for any member to rise, rip a bill in half and start to yell like an animal during a session. Its a modern civilized country with rules and laws, you must act like a normal person.
If you get to yell and scream and do whatever you want, what kind of a county are you creating.
My man have you seen any parliament session in any democratic country at all? This is very normal for parliament session, it is often rowdy especially when debating a hot and controversial topic, and it IS part of the civilised world.
one that doesn’t take away the rights of her people
if you want so bad to live in a “civilized” country where Indigenous people don’t bother you with their existence, go back to england you fucking colonizer
You say this, but the people yelling and screaming are typically the ones that are pushing for progress, while the people that hide behind “decorum” are the ones trying to strip people of their rights and funnel money into capital.
I was an ignorant dickhead like you when I was younger too.
You need to realize that your feelings can both be valid and wrong.
Haka makes me feel very uncomfortable. But I understand that’s my own limited perspective. It would be incredibly self centered to let that feeling dictate my opinion.
Isn’t the point of the Haka to make the opponent uncomfortable? It’s a war ritual after all. And in this case it’s well applied, if someone wanted to take away my rights I would consider them my enemies too.
This is disingenuous. Clearly there has to be a line somewhere. To throw out an absolute crazed example, at various points in Peru’s history, there were rites with child sacrifice. Should we allow Peruvians to “express disagreement in their own idiom”?
To me, this is like how in the USA we are purported to have “freedom of speech”, yet that doesn’t enable you to say “FIRE” in a crowded theater.
May I suggest that these ‘hakas’ could be performed in the manner of a protest, outside the doors of the active legislative session?
There are rules about what behavior is permissible and not permissible on their parliamentary floors. Each and every elected person in that room would have agreed to these rules. They violated them by staging this scene. I would hope and wish that any other person from any other culture that was loud and disruptive in the session would be cited by the same rules.
Sometimes to illustrate a point, it is best taken to the extreme to see what a logical extension of this would look like. You’re supposed to go “LOL child sacrifice” because that IS the point. There is a line drawn somewhere.
You are missing the context of Maori culture being alive and well in NZ, in NZ Parliament and that the haka was a response to the erosion of Maori rights… In NZ.
No one was harmed by the haka.
Before you go calling folks disingenuous, you may want to get more background information.
The vote was delayed. You also don’t know the reaction of other parliamentary members. The context of the haka is a dance done to intimidate enemies. Maybe some of the other members feel intimidated now.
If I was a parliament member and stood up with 3 of my pals and loudly threatened another member, what do you think would happen to me?
You can consider whatever the heck you want but please don’t assert as fact your understanding of the cultural context of an art form from the other side of the globe.
I somewhat agree, but on the other hand its not the right place to do it.
If somebody would come and play bagpipes, or start yodel in a courtroom or parlament they would be asked to stop too. And i bet if in those cases they would not stop, they would get reprimands too. No matter how cultural it is.
Its inappropriate for any member to rise, rip a bill in half and start to yell like an animal during a session. Its a modern civilized country with rules and laws, you must act like a normal person.
If you get to yell and scream and do whatever you want, what kind of a county are you creating.
Colonialist rules to oppress the racialized victims of genocide
My man have you seen any parliament session in any democratic country at all? This is very normal for parliament session, it is often rowdy especially when debating a hot and controversial topic, and it IS part of the civilised world.
one that doesn’t take away the rights of her people
if you want so bad to live in a “civilized” country where Indigenous people don’t bother you with their existence, go back to england you fucking colonizer
You say this, but the people yelling and screaming are typically the ones that are pushing for progress, while the people that hide behind “decorum” are the ones trying to strip people of their rights and funnel money into capital.
Also, human beings are animals…
Yes, we mustn’t do that, instead we should filibuster for 16 hours.
Or, just perhaps, different cultures have different standards for how they protest in a debate.
Shame on you for calling a deeply historic cultural dance “yelling like an animal”. Fucking colonizer mindset is still alive and well, it seems
Stfu
Get fucked, loser. Their culture, their land.
No. They lost. Unfortunately they do not get to decide.
Sti going to believe that when someone invades your home?
I was an ignorant dickhead like you when I was younger too.
You need to realize that your feelings can both be valid and wrong.
Haka makes me feel very uncomfortable. But I understand that’s my own limited perspective. It would be incredibly self centered to let that feeling dictate my opinion.
Isn’t the point of the Haka to make the opponent uncomfortable? It’s a war ritual after all. And in this case it’s well applied, if someone wanted to take away my rights I would consider them my enemies too.
“Might makes right” - you
may i invite you to fuck yourself?
You’re a fucking loser, bud.
You’re racist that’s her culture not yelling like an animal.
Way to be an ignorant dweeb dude definitely take that shit back maybe delete your comment.
Idk a county where minorities can briefly express disagreement in their own idiom seems pretty nice to me.
This is disingenuous. Clearly there has to be a line somewhere. To throw out an absolute crazed example, at various points in Peru’s history, there were rites with child sacrifice. Should we allow Peruvians to “express disagreement in their own idiom”?
To me, this is like how in the USA we are purported to have “freedom of speech”, yet that doesn’t enable you to say “FIRE” in a crowded theater.
May I suggest that these ‘hakas’ could be performed in the manner of a protest, outside the doors of the active legislative session?
There are rules about what behavior is permissible and not permissible on their parliamentary floors. Each and every elected person in that room would have agreed to these rules. They violated them by staging this scene. I would hope and wish that any other person from any other culture that was loud and disruptive in the session would be cited by the same rules.
lol that’s a hell of a strawman
“you’re being disingenuous, what about child sacrifice”
Sometimes to illustrate a point, it is best taken to the extreme to see what a logical extension of this would look like. You’re supposed to go “LOL child sacrifice” because that IS the point. There is a line drawn somewhere.
You are missing the context of Maori culture being alive and well in NZ, in NZ Parliament and that the haka was a response to the erosion of Maori rights… In NZ.
No one was harmed by the haka.
Before you go calling folks disingenuous, you may want to get more background information.
The vote was delayed. You also don’t know the reaction of other parliamentary members. The context of the haka is a dance done to intimidate enemies. Maybe some of the other members feel intimidated now.
If I was a parliament member and stood up with 3 of my pals and loudly threatened another member, what do you think would happen to me?
Did he fucking stutter? If anything, it sounds like delaying the vote was an attempt to prevent harm.
That doesn’t count as “harm” either, you dishonest ass.
Can you elaborate further on the cultural context of the haka, fellow American?
I really hate this “you’re an outsider so you can’t have an opinion”. Am I only allowed to consider things in America?
You can consider whatever the heck you want but please don’t assert as fact your understanding of the cultural context of an art form from the other side of the globe.
Wouldn’t want parliamentary process to be disrupted in any way by Maori’s expressing concern about laws that are going to affect them negatively.
/s
I somewhat agree, but on the other hand its not the right place to do it.
If somebody would come and play bagpipes, or start yodel in a courtroom or parlament they would be asked to stop too. And i bet if in those cases they would not stop, they would get reprimands too. No matter how cultural it is.
“'[Parliament is] not the right place to [protest for your rights that Parliament is actively voting to remove].”
Found the guy who’s never seen a Prime Minister’s Question Time.
Why would your idea of “normal” be more justified than that of others?
Have you seen the things average MPs get away with in NZ (and Australia) in parliament ?