• Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
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    I like former President Obama, but his ACA was half baked. It is not even close to the healthcare system in Germany and other EU members.

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      Blame Republicans and a couple of Democrats. Yes, it was half-baked, but it was also almost defeated, and later almost repealed. The alternative of “nothing” is so much worse.

    • Hugin@lemmy.world
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      The ACA was essentially the republican compromise that was offered to Clinton when he tried to get universal health care. He rejected it and was unable to get any meaningful change.

      It shows how much we have moved to the right that the republican plan from 10 years earlier was barely able to be passed by Democrats.

      I’ll also point out that Clinton’s big goal for his time in offices was universal health care not balancing the budget. He completely failed on that but did briefly balance the budget.

      Still better than the republican goals.

  • andybytes@programming.devBanned
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    I love how short-sighted this is. Like, I think there are more people that are on a higher level of understanding nowadays, but still the old game still remains. America is an imperialist empire and fascist are the useful idiots of empire. Neoliberalism is a right-wing ideology. Do you think a million dollars is a lot of money? Well I can tell you a billionaire uses that to wipe his ass. So when he donates it to charity, he’s just trying to manage perception. So what I’m trying to say is that the Democrats are neoliberal and they are fascist and both the Democrats and the Republicans work together to keep the working class down. That’s why we live the way we do today because things only continue to get worse. The rest of the world sees us as a right-wing country. The Democrats are controlled opposition. The bourgeois elections mean nothing to me or anybody with a fucking clue. The Democrats supported genocide in Gaza. Bernie Sanders and AOC are sheep dogs. They are not socialist, but they are there to defame socialist ideas. You can look this up online. It’s called the ratchet effect. So no, this is a little too simple for me. This is like baby boo boo diaper information. It’s a very immature analysis of the current state of things or what has happened in the past. End Wokeism no War but the Class War.

    • HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world
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      as others have said, try synthesizing your ideas. You have a good core argument, but its a little rambly, with some things that feel more buzz word then argument.

      Try leading with your thesis, in this case “The democrats are controlled opposition that work with the Republicans to keep the working class down” and then follow up with your supporting comments and evidence. Alot of people wont read everything and just by the first half will judge what you say.

      • thefartographer@lemm.ee
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        You take some flour, and some room temp eggs
        Room temperature butter is the best
        And some warm milk, you stage it with the rest
        Vanilla, sugar, and baking soda
        If you forget your berries, you are fucked
        Iambic pentameter is shit. Salt.

        Get all of these items into a big bowl
        Mix it or whatever, I am not your boss
        Batter should be consistency of sludge

        Heat your oven to the maximum temp
        Pour your batter directly in oven
        Leave your house, tell neighbors you broke your toe
        Return to home, act surprised it is ash
        Get insurance check, use to buy muffins

        Prep time: 30-45 minutes
        Cook time: 2 months if insurance is fast

        Sure, I did a bad job. But in my defense, I put more effort into this than I should have and wasted everyone’s time. Especially mine.

          • thefartographer@lemm.ee
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            Forsaken by my parents, I must bake
            A pie, a biscuit, or even a cake
            My parents, so proud, say that they love it
            I, too, am fulfilled cuz in them, I shit

            If nutty, to them, I serve up a pie
            Or a dish more savory, if corn supplied
            Since I was a child, I have done this
            I am better at it than at rhyming

            If you want a nice treat, leave out the poo
            Or keep it in, really, it’s up to you
            As you make what I bake, something might stink
            Solutions are found in my sponsored links

            Now I will let you get to the big bake
            More words are needed for profits at stake
            Please take care and enjoy my recipe
            Return next week when I make drinks from pee

    • Michael@slrpnk.net
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      Here’s some unsolicited advice: you’d probably get your point across better if you found a way of expressing yourself with less perceived hate, less name-calling, and less labeling - don’t dilute your passion, but speak to the reality and to the solutions that aren’t being put on the table. Speak to people’s silent struggle and find a way to not be polarizing.

      Instead of calling out the US as being imperialistic, shed light to the real effects of US imperialism (e.g. US reliance on supply chains that revolve around slavery or child slavery, third-world exploitation, effects of US regime change etc.) and complicity on both sides.

      Instead of calling Democrats fascists, explain that they don’t have any power or energy to fight fascism, authoritarianism, oligarchy, imperialism (e.g. they are complicit). They have no plan and no solutions.

      Instead of calling elections bourgeois, explain that political teams and this tug of war game is a pointless exercise and gets literally nothing done - e.g. speak to election/voting reform, the dissolution of team politics and political parties that take money from non-small donors, term limits, and speak to concepts like direct democracy. Bernie Sanders and AOC aren’t socialist or anything close to it in practice, but they also aren’t necessarily operating in complete bad faith.

      I don’t disagree with your general sentiment, but your points can be more eloquently expressed. Reduce the terminology, Democrats are powerless even if they shift their tune, they are always going to answer to capital, they aren’t interested in addressing critical problems (e.g. modern slavery, the freshwater crisis, the housing crisis, the health care crisis, the economy, deregulation of corporations etc.), and they aren’t interested in solutions. They have no power, even when they have had power (e.g. under Obama).

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          Everybody is free to express themselves however they wish. I’m merely pointing out why people are calling the poster I was responding to AI or reducing their arguments down to “not containing any rational thought”. Their comment speaks to people who are already radicalized, people who already know the Democrats are playing everybody - it doesn’t speak to the people deeply entrenched into the propaganda and tribalism that the Democrats invoke.

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        in terms of their motives? absolutely. is -1 a better score than -5? yes. are they both in the negative? you better believe it. don’t go slobbering all over clinton and obama’s loafers just because there are worse people out there. they tried to enrich the wealthy and succeeded. only difference between the dems and the republicans up until the trump era was that the dems lied about being progressive to distract from their wealth transfer and the repubs committed a casual ongoing genocide to distract from theirs. but it worked- you are distracted. from clinton deregulating corporate oversight and obama kneecapping socialized health care on behalf of the insurance industry. were bush and reagan and bush junior more harmful? yeah of course, but let’s not lionize their coworkers because they used a different disingenuous strategy to launder money for their corporate masters. in the present moment, of course, it’s a bit different- the republicans are stoking the engine of an outright fascist coup and the dems are spoiling the only chance we have to stop it with weak appeals to “decorum” and “practicality”.

        so no, they’re not exactly the same. one is jabba the hutt, and the other is the little shitgoblin cackling on his tail. neither will help you. get used to it.

        edit: math

    • aceshigh@lemmy.world
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      Much better graphic. Maybe shit head will change the us for the better in the long run. The only way the us can move forward is when the r’s start experiencing the consequences of their own actions… and it’s slowly happening.

  • ZMoney@lemmy.world
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    Missed a few.

    Johnson: use war to win re-election

    Nixon: fight hippies and commies

    Ford: pardon Nixon

    Carter: attain energy independence

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    It’s not about the party or the POTUS, it’s all about the oligarchs who are funding the parties and really make things happen. All of them were in debt to oligarchs and had to return the given money for the campaigns somehow. Don’t be fooled, as long as the funding of political parties isn’t reformed to prevent these oligarchs to grab everything there will not be much for the rest of us. Just enough to avoid revolt and riots as long as sustainable. Democracy in the USA is a mascarade.

      • Corn@lemmy.ml
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        Reducing the deficit by cutting things that benefit the working class coincides with money for rich people.

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    From the perspective of those who have a lot of money, what’s the problem with that? My wealthy friends always vote r because they want to pay less taxes. Thats their only motive. This selfishness needs to be manipulated.

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      This selfishness needs to be manipulated.

      They’re only going to change if they are forced to.

      I’m personally in favor of vigilante justice towards them and their families.

      They need to fear their excessive wealth.

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        Holy shit is there no middle path between “accept oligarchy” and “French Revolution”? It’s the mid-21st century; surely we have figured out better solutions than this by now? The entire reason why one might think “bloody uprising” is the only solution - the fact that the masses are too apathetic and inattentive to come together over a more complicated message - is the exact reason why it’s also a terrible idea, as it lends itself to subversion by ideologue and perverted towards nefarious ends. “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”, etc, and in the meantime the bloodthirsty mob slaughters not just the rich but then the usual scapegoat minority groups too, with the purges that follow such revolutions frequently turning anti-intellectual too. When you cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war, you have no control over what happens next nor any way to stop it until it’s run its full course.

        The best way to defeat the enemies of the common folk, IMO, is the “greatest insult an enemy can suffer: to be ignored”. We should simply build the new system in defiance of the old system, or (when possible) subverting the old system to the new system’s needs. For example: we need to start more Community Land Trusts, where renting is not simply paying somebody else’s mortgage.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_land_trust

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          Systems in between are subject to manipulation via their vast wealth. The only way to diminish that is dissolution of superPACs and heavy regulation of all systems that allow cash to flow into politics.

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      My family is decently wealthy but comes from a pretty impoverished background (They moved to Canada from Sri Lanka during the civil war)

      They’re pretty centreist. Although in the last elections elections they voted Green (Provincial and Federal)

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        To compare - many of my friends are immigrants too (from the former Soviet Union) and grew up poor in the states. And they don’t understand why others who had more opportunities than them weren’t able to “make it”. They view being poor a choice and they don’t want to subsidize people who made the “wrong” choice.

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          I think my parents Buddhist upbringing has a lot to do with their beliefs. They always want to do good when they can. Respecting other cultures and identities etc.

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    I’m pretty sure they all overwhelmingly achieved the same goal for the rich, it’s really very dishonest not counting Clinton at least at around the same level as Reagan.

    (Well, Kennedy had that car accident, so perhaps he didn’t end his term fully.)

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      Reagan dropped the highest individual rate from 50% to 28%

      Clinton raised it to 35%, increased tax on gasoline and removed a lot of upper limits.

      It’s the fakest shit to say they’re all on the same team.

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          A good chunk of that “fix” caused the hellscape we’re in today. He renewed the corn subsidies that encouraged overfarming, making high-fructose corn syrup less expensive than sugar. He also beefed up our trade and foreign investment relations with China which made it less expensive to manufacture overseas than domestically.

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            Corn syrup was cheaper than sugar well before Clinton. One of the main reasons for the “new coke” debacle in '85 was the switch from sugar to corn syrup.

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              Right. That was due to corn subsidies encouraging overproduction. Those expired under Clinton. We knew it was a problem, but he put the economy before our national health and renewed the subsidies.

  • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
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    Let’s make this meme more accurate, shall we?

    • Kennedy: Imperialism, use the presidency to get laid
    • Johnson: Imperialism and expansion of social safety net
    • Nixon: Imperialism and a one-party state (But oddly gave us the EPA)
    • Reagan: Make the rich wealthier, destroy unions, kill the gays
    • Bush: Imperialism, making the rich wealthier and destroying unions
    • Clinton: Imperialism, increase corporate power under the guise of ‘free trade’, suppress the gays
    • Bush II: Imperialism, make the rich wealthier, eliminate the right to privacy, militarize the cops
    • Obama: Imperialism, make the rich wealthier, make health care more expensive, militarize the cops
    • Trump: Imperialism (though oddly less so), make the rich wealthier, militarize the cops
    • Biden: Imperialism, make the rich wealthier, militarize the cops, ignore food becoming cost-prohibitive
    • Trump II: Destroy everything, make the rich even wealthier, especially himself
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      You’re missing “brazen, bold-faced racketeering and sedition, stuff the judiciary” under trump 1. Also, saying that Obama’s “goal” was to make healthcare more expensive smells like bullshit. Let’s see some sources on that. Flawed and imperialistic though he may be, Obama put a good faith effort into taking the first step toward a socialized healthcare system, and was completely hamstrung by obstructionism. Finally, you need to put “subvert soviet imperialism, fuck over puerto rico, and engage in international scientific dick-sizing contests” under Kennedy. Other than that, and the fact that you skipped a few presidents in there (like “Carter: Try (and fail) to balance being a good human being with being the head of a jingoistic imperialist nation in the middle of a dick-sizing game of Connect4 where the countries of the world are the playing field and refusal to play could mean nuclear annihilation”), no further notes.

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        Oh, you’re right. Let’s fix that.

        • Carter: Imperialism, general failure.

        I will give Carter this much, though. He definitely had the best post-presidency.

        Also, no. For all his pretty speeches, Obama didn’t make a good-faith effort to do anything except expand the war machine both internationally and domestically, make rich people wealthier, and expand the power of the presidency. (Hell, remember the ‘Kill List’?)