My first months on Lemmy were spent on Lemmy.world, which was the biggest instance at the time. I had no experience with Hexbear because .world had defederated that instance. I sometimes saw it being described as a “tankie” instance, but it was nothing specific.
After I moved to .zip, I came across !games@hexbear.net, which seemed to be free from anything overtly political and reminded me of r/Gamingcirclejerk, so I subscribed to it and occasionally made comments related to gaming.
Today I made multiple comments to a post about an article on the STALKER game developers having removed the Soviet symbols and the Russian audio in the remastered edition of the game. I would argue that in the thread, there were no comments from me that could be construed by a reasonable person as defensive of Nazism, fascism, or even hinting at it. For example, in one of the comments, I linked a Ukrainian law that prohibits the use of Nazi symbols, though I highly advise looking through all my ten comments as to avoid any misunderstanding or false impressions.
Conversely, one comment posted by another user dismissed Holodomor as Nazi propaganda, which I reported, but a moderator of that community just ended up calling me out for that and taking no action, followed by them banning me.
The thread containing all of my untouched posts is still available via lemmy.zip. My comments are also available for viewing via my user page. They are not available on hexbear due to the ban.
You’re better off, they suck.
Indeed, nothing has been lost.
I’m reading through the comments and, yeah, they really do. Holy shit what an insufferable bunch, especially that Seasonal_Peace guy.
Ukrainians have the same problem with neo-Nazis as other ex-Soviet countries.
Holodomor is a bit of a fuzzy matter, it’s picking a part of the more wide scale events relating to Ukraine and calling it genocide of Ukrainian people, while genocide involves intention to wipe out an ethnic group.
This was more of Stalin’s USSR treating people as expendable and hunger as acceptable when he needed the resources to build heavy industries for the military. Most of the grain producing areas of the USSR were in Ukraine and south of Russia, which is also where most of the victims were, because grain was taken by force according to planned norm and to fake reports (as it happens in such systems, administrators overreporting gains and underreporting losses).
So I somewhat feel strange when people talk of it like genocide example, but people arguing against that are usually worse, so let it be.
Anyway, the point of this comment was - those people don’t even think of such things, they act purely on vibes. Most of Soviet propaganda was intended for people literate in the first-second generation, it relied on vibes even more than, say, Nazi German propaganda or Western propaganda of that time and of our time. That allows it to work on people very far from Soviet reality or knowledge of USSR’s history. (Of course, there were more intelligent levels of Soviet propaganda, they seem almost fully forgotten, include marxist dialectics, optimism of the future, dreams of a united peaceful planet of intelligent people using their lives for learning and creation, and no war and violence. Would be weird to expect tankies to be familiar with anything of that.)
You can’t reason with people acting on vibes. Your comments’ vibes for them are predefined, you don’t affect them.
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The whole fucking point is that this wasn’t
that specific group of people
, it was much bigger in scale. Before thinking you’re being ironic or calling others names you might want to check such things.
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take over large parts of europe and replace their populations with russians
I’d need sources for something like that. There’s one “large part of Europe”, namely a piece of East Prussia now called Kaliningrad Oblast, where that happened.
The rest of East Prussia was ethnically cleansed in favor of Lithuanians and Poles. Both nations don’t seem eager to fix that, and you don’t seem eager to mention that.
And other areas were ethnically cleansed of Germans, Hungarians in favor of Poles, Czechs, Romanians.
There was also a mutual “population exchange” between Western Ukraine and Poland, where Poles were resettled from Ukraine to western areas of Poland cleansed from Germans, and Ukrainians from Poland were resettled to Ukraine. Ethnic cleansing as well.
Except for the first and the last things mentioned, those weren’t initiated by the USSR. Like the name “Benes decrees” kinda hints, being literally connected to Czechoslovakia, but in fact sometimes used for all of those crimes in Eastern Europe after the war.
Commies are literally palette swapped nazis.
No. In the USSR itself after Stalin they loved to low-key compare Stalin’s USSR to Nazi Germany, doesn’t make it true.
The kind of people who’d want Stalin back were a rarity, it seems, in the USSR itself after his death, unlike now in Russia. It was common knowledge, confirmed by party assemblies and many people being let out of prisons and rehabilitated, that repressions happened and were terrible, and that they shouldn’t happen again. It was also common knowledge, confirmed by official ideology as if that were needed, that war is terrible and no sane person wants war, and starting a war is unthinkable.
And even Stalin’s USSR wasn’t as similar to Nazi Germany as you think.
After Stalin it was the same leftist ideology, about workers having jobs and food on table, peaceful united humanity reaching for the stars, civilization and knowledge. Just with a memory of trauma and a belief in planning and centralism.
During Stalin it was about heroics and sacrifices made to have the same somewhere in far future, but that first a powerful socialist state should be built to demonstrate the advantages of socialism, and for that a lot of things could be considered necessary.
Before Stalin it was the same leftist ideology with too much trust into its success.
Sacrifices and heroics are typical for fascism, but not similar otherwise at all.
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What do you mean by vibes exactly?
Music, art style, socrealism in portraits. Soviet architecture (the monumental and decorative kind). All that.
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Eh, well, I’m not a communist, actually I lean to the ancap side, but you also don’t know much about communism.
Living in the USSR wasn’t nice, but it was a kinda functioning state and society. Less evil than today’s Russia, and led by less evil people. And it was an honest attempt at building something good, that failed due to architectural faults and deadlocks eventually.
There’s a difference between intentional evil and evil by mistake. USSR’s the latter, today’s Russia’s the former.
putin also sympathizes with elon nazi musk. I wonder what they think about him.
They will claim to hate him (and Trump), and then keep on regurgitating propaganda constructed in favour of him.
They despise Trump and that’s why they love him. They’re an accelerationist death cult.
They fucking hate both, Putin because he’s a liberal and Musk because he’s a deeply unserious shithead.
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*comrade putin
That’s the funniest thing. Like, if you were an original Hungary-era tankie, at least you could say “the Soviet Union is the leader of the worldwide Communist movement, I believe what the SU says about itself.” But Putin’s Russia is explicitly not Communist or Socialist in any way. Putin’s ideology is inconsistent but his public statements are all basically imperial or “blood and soil” nationalism. How do they twist this guy into being a “comrade?”
Watching .world libs talk about Hexbear is always entertaining because it’s like a bunch of kids sitting around a campfire swapping stories, with the bear growing 5 ft taller with each retelling.
You want to know why they think Putin’s a communist? You know you can just go there and ask them. They’ll tell you 1) they don’t, 2) what they do think about Putin, and 3) why they think what they do. It’s not hard, it’s not like it’s some big secret.
But I want you to bear with me and embark on a little thought experiment. Imagine for a moment that you’re a full on MAGA chud, like, you believe George Soros is the communist CEO of Antifa aiming to kill all white people. But then you’re like, “Maybe I should try talking to these people so I can understand why it is that they want to kill all white people,” and you leave your bubble and seek out communists and antifascists all over the place and make a genuine attempt to understand their perspectives (regardless of what you think of it), and then you come back to Truth Social or whatever and try to share what you learned. How do you think that’ll be received? It’ll be received very poorly. They’ll say you’re a communist trying to spread lies or that you were duped by them and what they actually believe is what they’re said to believe, in the MAGA lore. If, on the other hand, you just repeat what everyone else in the community is saying about Antifa, putting no effort into understanding the actual beliefs of the people you’re talking about, you’ll receive praise and agreement, and those oh so precious upvotes. This is how their collective fiction is maintained, growing ever more divorced from reality.
Now, if you step away from lemmy.world and go to hexbear.net and make a genuine attempt to understand their perspective, and then come back to your community and try to share what you learned, how do you think that will be received? As opposed to just repeating what everyone in your community says? It’s the same shit, it’s the exact same social dynamic at play. If you want upvotes on .world/truth social, you have to accept the collective fiction about hexbear/Antifa and then develop and expand upon that fiction. Saying the truth will only earn you scorn, exclusion, and downvotes (see: this comment’s ratio, soon).
But like, at least internally, you should have the self-awareness to realize that obviously there isn’t any logical rationale for why someone would think Putin is a communist, in the same way that there is no logical rationale for why Antifa would want to kill all white people. Because it’s not based on any real thing that people believe, it’s a strawman created as part of a collective fiction that you’re not allowed to challenge if you want to be a part of a particular in-group.
Watching .world libs talk about Hexbear
Are the .world libs in the room with us right now? Because they’re not in the thread you replied to.
Yeah, they’re in the broader thread.
Besides, being a .world lib is like being a boomer, it’s really more of a state of mind 😉
I mean, their name and description say it all. They appear to fuse two rather telling themes:
1- “Hex” : as in the fraudulent cryptocurrency scheme launched by Richard Heart (real name: Richard James Schueler), a notorious spammer and lawbreaker who ultimately faced the consequences of his actions.
2- A shameful endorsement of communist-style authoritarianism : essentially, a system that violates basic human rights while promoting a fully centralised, stagnant, and corrupt regime devoid of meaningful technological progress.
Frankly, if I got banned from a place like that, I’d wear it as a badge of honour, LoL ❗😂
yeah duh, thats why we block the redfash triad
Some people there post burning flags of other countries and want the total destruction of them… “Death to country XY” being upvoted is as normal there as using toothpaste… Mods seem to support that and ban people who criticize it.
If we had only those people on the planet, there would be nothing but war.
I think you’ve just made a completely unwarranted assumption about how often those people are brushing their teeth.
If we had only those people on the planet,
there would be nothing but war.we’d have a stateless, classless, moneyless society. If only.
Humans have a natural urge to rebel and question authority.
If your response to that is to be a authoritian dipshit and beat them into submission, you might be a facist and causing more harm than good.
See you’re pushing back against my point so you might be a fascist and causing more harm than good (this is how dumb your argument sounds. Update your definition of fascism)
Do yourself a favor and just block the entire instance from your profile settings. It’s irredeemable.
After reviewing the thread, it looks like you reported a comment that was just contradicting you.
Yes, they assumed the community wasn’t ML and that anything genocide was grounds for comment removal
They themselves mentioned holodomor, no idea why though
Probably wouldn’t have been banned if they argued instead of reporting
Well, now you know why sensible admins defederate from this trash. I’d suggest using an app that allows you to block instances from your side and ignore them.
You don’t need an app, it’s a native Lemmy feature.
Only since 0.19.1, many instances haven’t updated yet.
That’s a year and a half. If you’re on an instance that is that outdated, you should consider migrating.
It sounds like you finally learned about hexbear firsthand and don’t have to rely on others’ reports on their behavior.
It will be a great day when the fediverse defederates from all the tankie instances.
That’s why we add all tankie instances to our block lists.
After seeing the effort you put into things that don’t matter, I’m going to take this opportunity to not do so again.
…but tankies are fascists.
The “red” part of “red fascist” is a fairly important distinction so you don’t give libertarians free ammo in their rhetorical war to claim all fascists are socialists.
how can i remove hexbear, grad and ml from my lemmy? i use boost app. thx
You can block posts from different instancs, but you cannot block comments.
I’d recommend you switch to a server that blocks them, like lemmy.ca, sopuli.xyz or discuss.online or use a different software like piefed which supports proper blocking (piefed.social).
In the app you can mute posts from instances, to also get rid of the users you need to use the webpage as someone else mentioned.
To mute the instance in the boost app go on the profile icon, lower right, settings (upper right), “Filters & blocks”, there you should see the option “mute instances”, type in the instance handle and posts from that instance shouldn’t show up anymore.
Your Lemmy experience is about to get so much better.
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Oh, what did Lemmy.org do?
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