And Chief Justice John Roberts, another conservative on the bench, also had something of a mic-drop moment when Sauer tried to make the point that “we’re in a new world where eight billion people are one plane ride away from having a child who’s a U.S citizen.”
Roberts replied: “It’s a new world. It’s the same Constitution.”
I expect this is where they pivot next. What does it take to amend the American constitution? Or what does it take to make a new one, given that they will try to justify that an old document does not fit the modern world
It would be impossible in today’s political climate.
You need >66% vote in both House and Senate, or you need a Constitutional Convention called by >66% of the state legislatures. Then you need to ratify the amendment, which requires approval by >75% of state legislatures.
"We are the only Country in the World STUPID enough to allow “Birthright”…
Don’t most countries allow birthright citizenship?
Pretty much the entirety of north and south america do this, probably to ensure the end of slavery and similar colonial practices. The fact Europe doesn’t do this is kinda crazy.
this fact is crazy because it is not true
A space launch and the Supreme Court doing its job?
It’s like america has a functioning government!!
/s
It’s April 1st. Maybe it’s just a prank
Roberts replied: “It’s a new world. It’s the same Constitution.”
There’s the Chief I know. Originalist in the streets, textualist in the sheets.
Justice Neil Gorsuch, who was also appointed by Trump, added to the pressure Sauer faced, asking the seasoned Solicitor General: “Do you think Native Americans are birthright citizens under your test?”
“Ah, I think… so,” he replied, somewhat unconvincingly. “I’ll have to think that through.”
Is that literally the first time he’s thought about that?
It could be. The point of bringing a case like this probably isn’t to win it, necessarily, but to demonstrate loyalty to dear leader. Dear Leader wants the case in order to push the Overton window. Its a can’t-lose situation for the regime; they get some benefit from either judicial decision.
The mission is to flood the zone in the hopes that some of their bullshit slips through. The more of it that fails, the better. I don’t think losing this ruling is a mortal blow for MAGA in any sense, but it will be better for Americans if this is one of the ones that fails.
Also just to normalize it in the American zeitgeist. Them entertaining it gives the illusion that there’s some merit to the argument. In a year or two when everyone believes there’s legitimate arguments on both sides of the issue due to it being an issue they keep hearing about in the news, they’ll ratchet it a few steps further toward their goal.
Can someone explain this to a clueless European? Are Native Americans not American Citizens by default?
I fucking hate that guy and his stupid asshole voice.
Think is too strong a term here.
Been made aware.
Aware is too strong a term.
Deport those ungrateful native Americans back to…America???
FYI: About 35 countries have birthright citizenship, mostly on the American continent. Over 150 countries have citizenship by descent.
interesting numbers, but consider this: Most countries have existed since before written time, evolving into what they are now. Only a few countries have grown entirely based on immigration, Australia, New Zealand, and America among them.
It makes sense that a country that has a culture going back centuries, or even millennia, would base citizenship on descent. Even America does that, but we also recognized that we needed immigration to grow, and fill, our country, and Birthright Citizenship fills that need.
That’s why there are a lot more descent-based citizenship countries, than Birthright Citizenship countries. It’s not because it’s a better or worse idea, it just depends on what works for the historical culture of the individual countries.
Uh, no to most countries existed before written word. Really? Political entities or nation states, primarily after writing? Still no.
You understand that modern Italians and Romans are the same people, right? That modern British, and early Britons are the same people? That modern Scandinavians and Vikings are the same people? That modern French, and the Gauls were the same people? That modern Egyptians, and those that built the pyramids are the same people? That modern Greeks and ancient Greeks are the same people? Modern Chinese and ancient Chinese are the same people? Same with Japanese, Korean, African, Russians, Turkish, etc.
They have all occupied the same territory as their ancestors, they look the same, speak the same, eat the same, listen to the same music, etc. Their societies/civilizations may have evolved over millennia, as did their political systems, but they are still the same PEOPLE, with the same CULTURE.
But the Western Hemisphere, and a few islands like Australia and New Zealand, were basically empty, except for an indigenous population, who simply weren’t prepared for an invasion by a technologically advanced race of aliens from what might as well be Outer Space.
The indigenous occupants were quickly overrun, aided partially by alien pathogens, and then occupied by immigrants from all over the globe. These cultures do not resemble any single culture, like the world was accustomed to, they became a blend, and the world had to become accustomed to a new kind of national culture.
Americans aren’t Purebreds, we’re Mutts. A nation like ours can’t base their citizenship solely on descent from a long established culture, we are too young for that to properly sustain a nation for millennia into the future. We require new blood from elsewhere to keep it growing.
Mutts are often known for being hardy because they carry the positive traits of their varied ancestors. That’s our strength, and immigration has given us that strength. MAGA wants us to reduce to a single purebred strain of human, which would eventually lead us to becoming a nation of incestuous inbreds like the Hapsburgs or the Pharonic Egyptians.
MAGA would probably love fucking their siblings, the weirdos.
Trump has never once felt humiliated in his life.
I don’t know, I tend to believe the theory that Trump ran for President because Obama made fun of him at that correspondents dinner. He looked pretty humiliated that night
I wonder if he did harm by being there.
They were all like “this btch trying to intimidate us? Let’s show him what “equal branch” means”
Absolutely. Judges do not like people pulling stunts in their courtroom, and unless Trump actually goes full dictator by disolving congress, he can’t touch them and they know it. He can’t intimidate them, so all trying does is piss them off. This might cause the conservative members to stop following his playbook so much, but it’s hard to say for sure.
Alito sounded like a completely obtuse nincomcoop today. You don’t need to be a constitutional lawyer to see how full of shit the conservatives are.
Waiting for inevitable EO that says after talking to some of the “greatest legal minds” (no doubt just his own reflection) it has been determined that he “has the absolute right” to dissolve/suspend SCOTUS if they’re going to stand in the way of him enforcing the law. Cue him using the military to shutdown the building and prevent SCOTUS from convening and Mike Johnson will just shrug and say something like “Well, they knew what would happen. It’s not our job to save their branch of gov’t” when questioned on why Congress won’t impeach.
He had a poopy diaper and he needed someone to wipe his pedo bum
more like trump storms out to create a gaffe at distracting the media from epstein. it happens everytime epstein starts rearing its head, or when something he did was too severe for the media to ignore.
It’s exhausting to hear this, but 100% true. Trump creates daily outrage so there’s no oxygen in the room to focus on his crimes. We were talking about unredacting the files, holding Trump to account in the court of public opinion, and everything fell away again because he used our military to wage war. It’s taken over the conversation, again, with what remains being posts like these reminding people almost in vain that hey, if Trump breathes a word or walks from point A to B while on camera, its to distract the public from organizing over the truth that he is a narcissistic rapist pedophile with the ability to end the world.
Gorsuch asked if Native Americans would be considered birthright citizens, and the MAGA lawyer said he’d “have to give it some thought.”
Shouldn’t he have done that BEFORE appearing in front of SCOTUS?
Honestly though, if the Supreme Court were doing their job even slightly properly, the response from the justices to that facile punt of an answer to a very obvious question should have been to utterly excoriate the lawyer - up to, and hopefully including, dismissal with prejudice. The response that fucker gave shows a very obvious lack of preparedness and consideration - or more likely, very thinly veiled contempt of the court.
He’d have to give it some thought??? Jesus fucking Christ
If they’d cancelled it, would that be retroactiv? Revoking the citizenship of every US American not of native heritage would be one hell of a move.
Humiliation? Like he’s capable of it. He tweeted they were dumb as he left. As far as he’s concerned, he won.
Ignorance is a bliss, I guess?
