• President Donald Trump on Friday said he is “recommending a straight 50% Tariff on the European Union” after complaining that trade negotiations have stalled.

  • The EU “has been very difficult to deal with,” Trump wrote. “Our discussions with them are going nowhere!”

The European Union, which was formed for the primary purpose of taking advantage of the United States on TRADE, has been very difficult to deal with. Their powerful Trade Barriers, Vat Taxes, ridiculous Corporate Penalties, Non-Monetary Trade Barriers, Monetary Manipulations, unfair and unjustified lawsuits against Americans Companies, and more, have led to a Trade Deficit with the U.S. of more than $250,000,000 a year, a number which is totally unacceptable. Our discussions with them are going nowhere! Therefore, I am recommending a straight 50% Tariff on the European Union, starting on June 1, 2025. There is no Tariff if the product is built or manufactured in the United States. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

    • Geobloke@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      1 year ago

      They could just say they’ll get rid of it and start a sales tax instead.

      But honestly the whole thing is just an excuse anyway

    • peregrin5@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      1 year ago

      Not entirely. Congress and the Supreme Court are filled with his sycophants.

      • k0e3@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        1 year ago

        They mean he alone makes the decisions so he doesn’t need to “recommend” anything to anyone.

    • bradinutah@thelemmy.club
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      1 year ago

      His recommendation is to the apparently “beautiful face” in the mirror that his malignant narcissistic mind sees. The rest of us see an ugly old criminal tyrant with orange painted skin.

  • rylock@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    1 year ago

    Another decision that benefits no one except Russia. Their asset sure is paying off.

      • Empricorn@feddit.nl
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        1 year ago

        Do you think Putin will need for anything for the rest of his life? Hurting Russia hurts the people, and the oligarchs are perfectly fine with that…

  • tal@lemmy.today
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=USA-EU_-_international_trade_in_goods_statistics

    Looks like that’d be bad for EU pharmaceuticals and auto manufacturers in particular.

    WRT autos, it’d be doing the opposite of eliminating the chicken tax.

    EDIT: Assuming (a) that tariffs go into force, (b) stay in place (with China they were cut to 30% before long), (c) exceptions don’t show up (with China, electric devices were exempted), (d) and disregarding price elasticity of demand and how readily a given good could be obtained from elsewhere, all of which might, I expect, be substantial factors in impact.

    EDIT2:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/23/european-stock-markets-live-updates-ftse-dax-cac-40-stoxx-600-friday.html

    European autos index sheds 3.6% after Trump 50% tariff threat on EU

    I guess that’d support an argument of auto manufacturers being impacted.

    • tal@lemmy.today
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      goes looking for anything regarding a pharmaceutical breakdown

      https://www.euronews.com/health/2025/04/30/eu-commission-slams-first-us-step-towards-pharmaceutical-tariffs

      Washington sources around 80% of its active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs) from China, India, and the EU. In 2024, pharmaceuticals were the top US import from the EU, including $127 billion (€117 billion) worth of semaglutide, a key component in popular weight-loss medications.

      Hmm. That’s a lot. That single chemical was imported at three times the value of all motor vehicle imports.

      goes looking

      I think that Euronews must have that statistic wrong. Semaglutide is big, but not that big. And that doesn’t mesh with the above bar chart I provided from the European Commission at all.

      https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/semaglutide-market-report

      The global semaglutide market size was estimated at USD 28.43 billion in 2024 and is projected to grow at a CAGR of 10.47% from 2025 to 2035.

      looks further

      Oh, Euronews must have mixed up the value of the whole pharma import category with the specific chemical. Smooth, guys. CNBC looks like it has it correct:

      https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/13/trumps-tariffs-will-hit-these-european-union-products-hardest.html

      The top U.S. import from the EU in 2024, by category and dollar value, was pharmaceutical products, according to data from the U.S. Trade Census analyzed by ImportGenius. Included in that $127 billion worth of EU imports was semaglutide, an ingredient used in the popular GLP-1 weight loss drugs from Novo Nordisk, Ozempic and Wegovy. The GLP-1 compound was the sixth-largest import from the EU to the U.S., at $15.6 billion.

      I will say that, even so, a major price increase there seems like it’d be pretty rough for a lot of Trump voters. Like, semaglutide is something that you’d be given if you’re obese.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semaglutide

      Semaglutide is an anti-diabetic medication used for the treatment of type 2 diabetes and an anti-obesity medication used for long-term weight management.

      https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/health/ozempic-glp-1-survey-kff

      1 in 8 adults in the US has taken Ozempic or another GLP-1 drug, KFF survey finds

      https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/php/data-research/index.html

      National Diabetes Statistics Report

      Prevalence varied significantly by education level, which is an indicator of socioeconomic status. Specifically, 13.1% of adults with less than a high school education had diagnosed diabetes versus 9.1% of those with a high school education and 6.9% of those with more than a high school education (Appendix Table 3).

      Trump’s rise back in 2016 was strongly supported by low-education voters in the Republican primaries; I remember people talking about demographic analysis:

      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-overwhelmingly-leads-rivals-in-support-from-less-educated-americans

      Trump overwhelmingly leads rivals in support from less educated Americans

      And presently, that’s also true for the Republican Party relative to the Democratic Party:

      https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/14/politics/the-biggest-predictor-of-how-someone-will-vote

      “The biggest single, best predictor of how someone’s going to vote in American politics now is education level. That is now the new fault line in American politics,” Sosnik told David Chalian on the “CNN Political Briefing” podcast.

      Trump’s rise over the past three election cycles, Sosnik argued, “accelerated and completed this political realignment based on education that had been forming since the early ’70s, at the beginning of the decline in the middle class.”

      As the US transitions to a 21st century economy, there’s a rift between the people who attain education – “that’s become the basic Democratic Party,” he said, comparing them with people who feel left behind, “that group of voters is now the modern Republican Party base.”

      https://www.statista.com/statistics/234534/participation-in-us-public-assistance-programs-by-education-level/

      So you simultaneously have:

      • Low-education Americans having particularly supported Trump.

      • Medicaid (government medical services subsidy for low-income Americans) being slashed by the GOP, which transfers medical costs off taxpayers and more-heavily onto poor people who suffer from medical conditions; low-education Americans greatly disproportionately depend on this subsidy.

      • In theory, states could simply increase medical subisidy outside of Medicaid, but the fact that Medicaid provides federal funding causes fiscal transfers across states. Most of the states that pitch in to the federal budget are (wealthier) Democratic states. Aside from New Mexico, which is very Democratic and makes heavy use of Medicaid, most states that heavily use Medicaid are poorer Republican-voting states. West Virgina had the highest level of popular support for Trump in the last Presidential election, had every county get a majority vote for Trump, had the single county with the highest share of Trump support in the US…and the second-highest level of Medicaid dependence.

      • Tariffs that effectively amount to a substantial consumption tax on medicine are — assuming these Trump EU tariffs go into force — being put into place. Medicine has a low price elasticity of demand — one is pretty much going to have to pay for that whether it’s expensive or not — so I’d think that people who have to have medicine are going to likely have to pay such a tax. They can’t easily just not get medicine.

      • A major increase looks to be on a drug that is considerably-disproportionately needed by low-education Americans.

      I have to say that this kind of adds to some observations that a number of high-profile Trump policies seem to be disproportionately financially bad for Trump supporters.

      Started when I was noticing that the Trump administration seemed to be doing a lot of things that looked to be really negative for American agriculture. I’d intuitively expect a Republican trifecta to favor agriculture; rural states tend to vote Republican, and rural areas within states tend to vote Republican. But a lot of things, from crackdowns on illegal immigration (one of the most-economically-important areas for illegal immigrants is agricultural work that requires manual labor) to the likely impact of countertariffs (China has, in the past, targeted American soy farmers with countertariffs, and you normally want low barriers to trade if you’re globally competitive, which American agriculture generally is) seem to have real negatives for agriculture. Oh, and cutting SNAP (food stamps, a federal subsidy for food for low-income Americans). It used to be that federal subsidy for agriculture mostly took the form of subsidizing crop insurance, but I understand that over the decades, it shifted to SNAP to help build political support; this combines a subsidy for the poor and a subsidy for agriculture, so one can use political support from both factions.

      https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-commodity-policy/farm-bill-spending

      Examples of Farm Act programs provided with mandatory funding include the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) as well as most commodity and conservation programs.

      If you’re an American farmer and are looking at a pie chart like that, you probably don’t want to cut nutrition assistance…but that’s exactly what’s happening.

      During the first Trump administration, the administration did send financial support to American farmers to help mitigate the damage from the trade war with China, and I was guessing that maybe that’d improve its popularity in the sense that Trump was sending very visible financial aid and the harm was indirect and harder to see, but the material I was able to find, including publications from generally-Republican farming regions, seemed to be pretty unenthusiastic about the prospect of trade wars.

      I kind of feel like I’d like to see an economist who specializes in political economy kind of walk through this, because it’s left me more-than-a-little-puzzled. I can believe Trump burning someone who voted for him and maybe doesn’t have a great handle on the impact of his policies, but one would think that the Republican Congressional delegation would be expected to look out for constituent interests, and these don’t seem to do this. And agricultural industry associations like the Farm Bureau have not been happy either, and they’re going to have bean-counters who should know the relevant numbers and inputs taking a pretty close look at this:

      https://www.fb.org/news-release/afbf-new-tariffs-will-impact-americas-farmers

      American Farm Bureau President Zippy Duvall today expressed alarm about potential harm to farmers resulting from the order signed by President Trump imposing stiff tariffs on the United States’ top three agricultural markets by value. An economic emergency was declared to put duties of 25% on imports from Mexico and Canada, with limited exceptions, as well as 10% on all imports from China. Canada and Mexico both announced they would impose retaliatory measures.

      “Farm Bureau members support the goals of security and ensuring fair trade with our North American neighbors and China, but, unfortunately, we know from experience that farmers and rural communities will bear the brunt of retaliation. Harmful effects of retaliation to farmers ripple through the rest of the rural economy.

      “In addition, over 80% of the United States’ supply of a key fertilizer ingredient — potash — comes from Canada. Tariffs that increase fertilizer prices threaten to deliver another blow to the finances of farm families already grappling with inflation and high supply costs.

  • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    Has anybody tried gifting Donald Trump an unseaworthy carbon fiber sub to secure a deal?

    If something went wrong we would all understand, inherent vice and such being a well established legal concept. An insurer cannot be expected to guard against the inherent vice of the ocean, god, nor of an out of control fascist who will not follow rules.

  • Gutek8134@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    America bonks Canada and Mexico saying "Tariff!"
America wants to bonk EU "Ta- What is that?"
EU with an RPG: "Ist meine Trade Enforcement Regulation"
America backs down "I go to China! You are very, very bad! I tariff you soon!"

    IIRC Trade Enforcement Regulation allows, among other options, for ignoring other country’s patents and trademarks until someone else says it’s time to stop. Correct me if I’m wrong.

    Edit: Seems like I misremembered, because I can’t find it mentioned in the regulation 654/2014, my bad

    Edit 2: Okay, I think I’ve found it - 654/2014 was amended by 2021/167, and as far as I understand legalese THAT one allows for suspension of intellectual property rights. I’ll wait with un-stroking the original paragraph until someone more knowledgeable confirms (or denies) my understanding

  • dust_accelerator@discuss.tchncs.de
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    1 year ago

    Alrighty then, every MB of EU-user-generated data transferred to servers of US digital services now incurs a fee of 0.1€.

    If you don’t pay, or during ongoing proceedings, the packets are not forwarded to the IP range of that service.

    I bet that would resolve all problems very quickly.

  • Ex Nummis@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    1 year ago

    I wonder what’ll happen to Tech giants’ revenue in the EU if they decide to get serious about this.

  • NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    1 year ago

    Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution vests the power to lay and collect tariffs with Congress.

    Are we going to just ignore it? Technically tarrifs are supposed to be imposed by an act of congress, not the orange manchild in chief.

    • Jhex@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      1 year ago

      If by “we” you mean the American people, yes it will be ignored as they seem to fall into 3 categories at the moment:

      • completely clueless to the reality around them

      • know this is bad but waiting for someone else to do the job or really entice them into action with a nice juicy carrot

      • completely in agreement with the orange turd

      • SabinStargem@lemmy.today
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        1 year ago

        I am waiting for AOC to call for the assembling of an army to wage war upon the Dogey Confederates. Until then, I am now learning how to safely and effectively use a firearm, so that I can serve Free America. Had my first lesson a couple days ago, and will do my second after getting some extra magazines and ammo crates.

        Given a year or so, I should be able to reliably miss the farmers and livestock that are several hundred meters beyond the impact berm.

    • atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      1 year ago

      Congress has long ago decided to stop being a coequal branch of government. Same now with SCOTUS… They’ve ceded so much authority to the executive that they almost can’t fight back now. Impeachment is the only option left and Republicans won’t/can’t. Our remaining hope is that Democrats will/can in 2 years. AND that significant reforms follow that will limit the president again.

      Otherwise, we’ve become Turkey. A representative republic in name only.

      • Jhex@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        1 year ago

        Otherwise, we’ve become Turkey. A representative republic in name only.

        You are already there… even assuming the ridiculous notion that you’d have free and fair elections in 2 years, the damage is done. In 2 years time, the USA won’t be salvageable… I have huge doubts it can be salvageable today

  • perestroika@lemm.eedeleted by creator
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    1 year ago

    If he does that, the prices that rise most in the US will be medical products, medicines and motor vehicles.

    The EU does have a trade surplus in goods with the US. The US has a nearly comparable surplus in trade of services.

    If the EU were to respond by taxing US services harshly, we’d experience more expensive licenses and advertising costs. Year of the Linux desktop? Year of the dark red Google?

    • Amberskin@europe.pub
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      1 year ago

      The EU will not tax products which are critical for the European economy until/unless there is a viable local alternative.

      What I expect the EU to do is to subsidise those fledging local alternatives. And yes, this is against WTO rules, but I guess nobody cares about that anymore.

      • hitmyspot@aussie.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        1 year ago

        It certainly should. Of course they shouldn’t shoot themselves in the foot, like Trump is, but it’s like play chess with a pigeon. It’s not about normal tactics.

  • Akasazh@feddit.nl
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    1 year ago

    Just imagine what was agreed on in the 2 hr phone conversation between Trump and Putin?