“Convert Theodore” looks a hell lot like the hat-tipping M’lady mister
Almost all the converts I meet have opted to home-school their offspring, partly because they believe women should prioritise their families rather than their careers.
Welp, that alone says a lot.
Father Moses says Orthodoxy is “not masculine, it is just normal”, while “in the West everything has become very feminised”.
Hahahaha, no. The only normal is humans wanting to form groups with like-minded people and, sometimes, making that group appear very different from another group, aka schismogenesis - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schismogenesis
Some - in America and other countries - see Russia as the last bastion of true Christianity
Eeehh, given that the orthodox christians are likely closer to the root christianity than the western christians, that is not “too wrong” to assume, I guess. Then again, the orthodox did hunt down several “heretical” christians, some of which likely were “more christian” than them.
IF you can be shamed into going a Russian church to be manly, you are headed in the opposite direction from the path to manliness - you become a pussy who can only follow.
So then it’s womanly to follow? Sounds sexist and lame to me.
I didn’t come here for MORE toxic masculinity and gender shaming. Sort your shit out.
Why does random lemmy user care what you came here for?
I know at least few Russian-speaking people where I live (Kraków) who tried to convert me to their church. One Uber (or Bolt idk) driver, when I told him that I am interested in practicing Russian and Ukrainian wanted me to come to some church to read a Bible or something, and other time one friend of mine wanted me to come to (I think) Orthodox church to meet some women or something like that.
I think I make an error, when I tell people I am agnostic, it’s like a sign for other people to try convert me, and I don’t really want to argue with them.
Always fun witnessing another round of people arguing over whose church is dumber.
It’s a hoot. These Ultra Incels think the Orthodox Church is going to hand them a submissive woman. Sounds like their new church is a sausage fest up in there.
doggedly backed the invasion of Ukraine, calling it a Holy War
Yeah I don’t really give a shit about their concept of the male gender. Apparently it involves fathering many children, so that Russia doesn’t run out of soldiers for the hundred years of glorious holy war it will take to defeat NATO and save the world. If you really want to reach the ultimate heights of manliness, try wearing eye shadow, practicing embroidery, and watching Hello Kitty while remaining confidently masculine.
By the way, Ciril’s deranged proclamations of “holy war” are ridiculous. Ukraine is also an Orthodox country.
I feel bad for the men that get indoctrinated by this guy. Just like a lot of people that get taken in by religion, these people are looking for some understanding or change that really can only come from within but the church is promising that religion is the only way.
These men don’t understand that there is no black and white/ universal version of “manliness”. We all have to decide for ourselves what “being a man” means.
I go with a simple definition: as someone who was born a man and continues to identify as a man, my feeling is that, anything I do is “manly” because I am a man. Doesn’t matter if it’s sewing, hunting, or eating soup (which the preacher in the article seems to think is not manly)
Pretty much how I see it. Being “a man” is being comfortable with who you are and not being scared about what others think. Putting a dress on and having “Tea” with your kids during playtime is just as manly as playing football. (And looks hilarious when you’re a 6 ft tall biker looking dude with a beard and hairy legs like me.)
I think men are going to have to define foe themselves what secure masculinity looks like and how to achieve it.
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As a Slavic man I find “soup makes you gay” bit to be extra funny. Has he even BEEN to Eastern Europe? What next, some guy from Idaho converts to Islam and decides eating falafels is sinful :)?
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Reminds me of a scene in the Lone Wolf and Cub comic I read when I was younger.
I don’t remember all the details, but there’s a panel where the two most dangerous samurai in all of feudal Japan are camping out before a fight, and some rando is astonished that these high bred, noble, elite warriors are cooking their own rice. One of the two rips into him about self-sufficiency and how there aren’t always servants to do your cooking for you, and what kind of warrior would just starve when he has no servants around?
And what does the article say? Eating soup isn’t manly? WTF? I’d like to hear his rationale for that one, but I’d probably lose a couple of IQ points reading it.
It’s in the 12 commandments, along with though shaft not draw.liquid with a straw because it looketh like yon penis.
Toxic masculinity is full of shaming men for random things that are arbitrarily defined as not manly. Nothing is more dangerous for a Man than not conforming to masculine gender norms
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This kind of insecurity is intentionally cultivated for the purpose of being exploited. If you can make a man afraid of whatever kind of food you name by declaring it unmanly you can control him.
Being a man is eating soup and being able to say “fuck you, I like soup.”
I don’t know if I like soup. The only soup I ever had was cambells, and it was awful. But then everybody tells me that cambells is the bottom of the barrel scum of the soup world.
So maybe I just don’t like cambells.
Hey, you’re like me. I HATED soup for decades. Can soup BS was disgusting. Soup on the side of my burger, gross.
Then I went to a real soup place. Like all they did was soup. Like professional level soup that’s $8 a cup or $12 a bowl.
My god - it was incredible. I now understand the Soup Nazi bit of why anybody would tolerate that behavior.
I went from clean shaven anti-souper to a god damn soup coke fiend.
Campbell’s classic chicken noodle hits different when you’re recovering from a bout of norovirus.
But generally yes, canned soup is pretty bad. There’s a ton of soups across most global cuisines, so many so that it’s borderline unbelievable that you’ve never tried a single one.
And also being so confident, you don’t need another man to tell you you’re a big strong masculine man.
In college a woman remarked “I don’t know many men manly enough to wear a pink shirt.”
She hasn’t seen rugby players in the south of France.
We need feminism but for men (which is a thing that kinda already exists but we need more)
In my opinion, as a man, feminism is for men. Feminism, at its core, is saying that strict gender roles are made up, and anyone is capable of being anyone. Men had a lot of freedom to do this already, though obviously a lot of things weren’t allowed, like homosexuality, playing with other gendered clothing, or “queerness” in general as it used to be called.
A proper understanding of feminism I think would lead us all to recognizing we are free from the shackles of tradition, though the word makes a lot of people think it’s only helping women, at the expense of men.
this is a nice way to look at it - but feminism isn’t just a vague ideology, it’s also a social movement that is designed for women and populated by women. men are at best allies in that space, and at worst viewed as the enemy, othered, and excluded.
i’ll gladly id as a feminist ideologically but i’m not foolish enough to think i’d be welcomed with open arms at a feminist rally. tolerated? sure. but not part of the group.
I’ve been welcomed in feminist spaces. Don’t try to take center stage or make it about you and you’ll be fine in the vast majority of them.
if you truly believe that, it says more about your own social awareness than it does about the feminist movement.
I don’t think you’re correct, and I’ve felt welcomed around feminists (though I’ve never been in explicit feminist spaces). Even if you are though, it doesn’t detract from my point. The goals of feminism help men too. If followed to completion, it removes gender roles from being strictly necessary. It allows people to be what they want.
Feminism is part of a larger movement, hence intersectional feminism. Even that though is part of a larger movement of liberalizing society to accept all people for who they are. Yes, there are also some groups who use feminism to exclude other people (TERFs, for example), but usually if people agree women should be allowed in roles normally reserved for men then gender norms aren’t real and are necessarily oppressive, for everyone.
nothing that you’ve said here contradicts my point and you’re demonstrating a profound misunderstanding of intersectionalism.
that’s like 3 layers of scam: church, manliness and absurd levels
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His Grindr nickname is probably “FatherBottom.”
So fragile, so scared. They are so terrified of being perceived as lesser men that they resort to this crap. It’s just that you could only feel sorry for them… if they didn’t suck, that is.
What’s more manly than never letting your dick touch a woman’s estrogen filled vagina? Nothing, except maybe letting another man inject his testosterone into your anus with his dick.
So manly that they’ll get deep inside you
With a manly helping hand, they beat each other’s hard problems.
Manliness has always been a scam.
Source: me having grown up in the Balkans where manliness tends to reign supreme as a life goal
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Manliness is an ideal intentionally placed out of reach. An insecurity to be exploited
Only if your conception of masculinity is stupid. There are plenty of manly role models out there, we’ve just largely decided not to pay them much attention.
The manliest man I can think of: Norm Abram. His achievements:
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Made a living wearing flannel shirts
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Excellent beard
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Distinguished service award from the American Academy of Ophthalmology
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Built a sailboat
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said “Not roman orgy, roman ogee” on national television and got away with it
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If you step out of line with what is considered acceptable (and The most toxic insecure men incent things to be afraid of out of nowhere) you get harshly punished. Learned this the hard way growing up trans
Trans man or woman?
In my experience, transfemme although trans men have had interesting things to say on the topic
I guess you got off the hamster wheel at some point. I imagine trans men being faced with this stuff… That’s not to say there’s no toxic stuff on the femme side of things.
Oh yeah we got problems on the girl’s side bit at least women aren’t afraid soybeans is gonna take away their masculinity
Word
It’s stupid on so many levels.
First off, it implies there is some sort or series of social masculine trait(s) that are in some way desirable. It gets even more stupid when this turns into expectations, like “you’re a man, you should X”.
It’s kind of sad but not unsurprising that there’s an industry trying to capitalize on the resulting insecurities.
I think it was a positive aspect of the MGTOW idea to reject these expectations and do your own thing.
This is a good movie, if you don’t mind the blood and gore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Northman
It follows the life story of a manly man… not something many would truly pursue for themselves even if they had the opportunity.
I think mgtow pretty quickly became an incel movement, at least from what I saw on reddit.
That doesn’t seem surprising. They both are misogyny plus not getting laid
Well like the other commenter said, it was ostensibly about guys just focusing on themselves and breaking out of the toxic trait of defining yourself by whoever is on your arm. That in itself is fine, and hell, even helpful. The issue is that it naturally attracted incels trying to be the aloof sigma that’s too cool to bother with silly women.
I was always told to be manly was to show up for those that you love. To be reliable and useful on a day to day basis. All this nonsense about dominance and “independence” is just ridiculous.
Georgetown Texas. No wonder
Texas, you say
15 dumbasses in East Bumblefuck: *do something*
BBC: A NEW GLOBAL TREND?!?!
It’s propaganda. We’re trying to make it look like every man’s reaction because they want to years argumentum ad popularum try and make it so
I wish these shitbricks were actually fleeing to Russia at the levels this article is trying to portray.
