• SuperCub@sh.itjust.works
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    2 years ago

    The statement reflects the actions of the Kamala campaign and the Dem party, so I believe it. Will Democrats ever change, though? Not until the old guard relinquishes their tight grasp on the party and allows it to operate democratically. The old guard are corrupt and they are paid by the same ultra wealthy donors that pay Republicans. The only reason the Tea Party was successful in taking over the Republican party was that there was a huge amount of funding behind them. An equivalent leftist force does not exist because there is no monied interest that would fund an insurgency on the left (except for the masses— think Bernie 2016, 2020, but we would need even more to create a lasting insurgency of equal scale). In light of this, the Democratic party has continuously pursued a “third way” approach to become essentially Republican with some social equality. The Democratic brand stands for nothing anymore.

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    Reminder: this is the same Teamster that spoke at the Republican convention, making these comments to Tucker Carlson.

    You probably shouldn’t take this at face value and assume this was her attitude toward labor in general.

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      It’s bullshit on it’s face. Biden told Congress they should pass the PRO Act, Harris echoed that ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

      One of the provisions of the PRO Act is to gut right-to-work laws by allowing Unions to collect dues from every employee at a Union shop.

      So the guy is just lying about that, of course there’s no way for me to know if she wagged her finger in a Teamster’s face.

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    I’m sure one of a great many statements that aged like milk. The sheer contempt that Democrat politicians have for voters is breathtaking. Maybe some day they’ll care about voters the way they very obviously care about corporate donors.

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      Maybe some day they’ll care about voters the way they very obviously care about corporate donors.

      How are you coming away with that the lesson to learn? The guys that won care even less for voters. The lesson appears to be: “Say whatever you think voters want to hear at that exact moment with no intention of following through for their benefit.”

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        That’s rather the point isn’t it? Republicans lie constantly about everything but those lies are about things their voters want. Democrats meanwhile tell their voters that they’ll get what Democrats are gracious enough to give them and be happy they’re not as bad as the Republicans. In either case neither party is delivering what progressive voters are asking for. Then Democrats wonder why they have voter turnout problems.

        People are sick and tired of showing up to vote for the lesser evil and the result being either things only get very slightly worse or much worse depending on who wins. It’s particularly hard for people to justify investing that time and effort when they’re struggling to just survive day to day and keep a roof over their head and food in their stomachs.

        I and many others tried our best this last election to keep Trump out of office but we can all only do so much when the Democrats are working against us every step of the way. We need an actual progressive running on progressive policies out of the Democrats if they want to win an election, because running as diet conservative isn’t cutting it anymore.

        People gave Bernie a lot of shit for being a populist but you know what? He motivated people. His supporters were excited to get out and vote for him. Unfortunately he was never given the chance and instead we got the same tired “we’ll run on Republican policies from two decades ago” Democrats.

        Even Obama, the most “progressive” Democrat in at least fifty years, promised socialized healthcare like the rest of the first world countries have but ended up delivering a watered down half assed Republican healthcare plan instead.

        So yeah, people are sick and tired of Democrats that only ever seem to be able to successfully deliver things wealthy corporate donors are asking for.

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          That’s rather the point isn’t it? Republicans lie constantly about everything but those lies are about things their voters want. Democrats meanwhile tell their voters that they’ll get what Democrats are gracious enough to give them and be happy they’re not as bad as the Republicans. In either case neither party is delivering what progressive voters are asking for. Then Democrats wonder why they have voter turnout problems.

          But again, the lesson Democrats need to learn is that American voters just care about what the candidate says during the campaign, not actual policy delivered if elected. So Democrats should adopt the same method of the GOP, simply straight up lying to the electorate and the Democrats will have a better chance of winning.

          People are sick and tired of showing up to vote for the lesser evil

          I’m not buying this as a reason they voted for Trump. If they saw Harris as the “lesser evil” then that would acknowledge they are actively voting for the “greater evil”.

          The result being either things only get very slightly worse or much worse depending on who wins. It’s particularly hard for people to justify investing that time and effort when they’re struggling to just survive day to day and keep a roof over their head and food in their stomachs.

          So they vote for the one that will make it MUCH worse?

          I and many others tried our best this last election to keep Trump out of office but we can all only do so much when the Democrats are working against us every step of the way. We need an actual progressive running on progressive policies out of the Democrats if they want to win an election, because running as diet conservative isn’t cutting it anymore.

          Again, that appears to be the wrong message. Voters didn’t want any measure of progressive policies. They voted for Trump with his regressive policies. Democrats apparently need to do the same to win votes.

          So yeah, people are sick and tired of Democrats that only ever seem to be able to successfully deliver things wealthy corporate donors are asking for.

          I disagree with your assessment, but that is exactly what Trump is going to do, and he got the votes, so its the winning strategy apparently.

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        The GOP, unlike the DNC, absolutely care what their voters think. That’s the whole point of the culture war project.

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          The GOP, unlike the DNC, absolutely care what their voters think. That’s the whole point of the culture war project.

          Of course they care about what voters think. They need to know what to say to lie to them. It doesn’t mean they’ll actually intact policies that will help Americans. The most working class Americans might get is minorities being subjugated more, which for some is a win.

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      Judging by their performance in the last three presidential elections with absolutely zero course correction, I wouldn’t hold my breath.

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    The silver lining of 2024 is watching Kamala’s entire political career implode from her own hubris. She’s now resigned to HRC hot-potato status that only further polarizes the Dem base.

    If the Dems had any sense they’d be distancing themselves from her entire campaign, indefinitely.

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      The silver lining of 2024 is watching Kamala’s entire political career implode from her own hubris

      That was the silver lining on her FIRST presidential run, but the DNC didn’t let it happen then and probably won’t now.

      A woman of color representing several different groups of people and who will pretend to be progressive sometimes but always change her mind into whatever the donor-determined party line is?

      She’s catnip to a Dem leadership desperately trying to compensate for not caring about the working class by pretending that optics equal substance 😮‍💨