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Donald Trump was deliberately left in the dark about Ukraine’s unprecedented drone strike in Russia on Sunday, which destroyed nearly a third of the Kremlin’s strategic bomber fleet in a surprise attack.
The large-scale drone attack saw a fleet of drones scattered all across Russia carry out simultaneous attacks on five airbases, wiping out 40 irreplaceable military bombers worth an estimated $7 billion, which have been used to reign terror upon Ukrainian civilians.
“Operation Spider-Web” took over 18 months to plan and was personally overseen by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, a source told CBS News.
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Good. He’d have fucking spilled the beans
He would have literally called Putin and tried to make a ‘deal’ the second he heard any plans
I don’t like this planet anymore 👍
What kind of twisted toxic argument is to phrase it like that and call it news?
“Ukrainians didn’t directly endanger themselves and their long term military plans to inform unrelated enemy nation”
As is appropriate.
I’m trying to recall a disco song from, I believe, the 1970s whose lyrics in the chorus went somewhat like the following - though I might be mistaken:
“That’s the way uh-huh, uh-huh, I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh”
Not totally sure of the relevance, but you’re thinking of K.C. & The Sunshine Band’s 1975 That’s the Way (I Like It).
Why would anyone even consider telling any politicians of foreign nations about a top secret project like that, much less blabbermouths like Donald Trump?
Between nations that share trust and respect, theoretically, it would give them time to reposition themselves to the coming reality, and perhaps more importantly, give any assets they have in the area a warning to keep their heads down/not step on any toes.
You are confusing nations with people. You can’t trust a nation (or any other organization), you can only trust individuals because an organization can always contain individuals of diametrically opposed behaviors.
Even at the height of WW2 the Allies kept secrets from each other. Churchill had no idea the US had the Atom Bomb until it was deployed.
To be fair, the US thought that there were spies at Los Alamos, and they were right.
“Stallion Gate” by Martin Cruz Smith. Fun novel about Oppenheimer’s Native driver.
https://bookshop.org/p/books/stallion-gate-martin-cruz-smith/120696?ean=9780345310798&next=t
This seems like a great place to plug Feynman’s talk Los Alamos From Below
Hmm must have missed this one. Thanks, I’ll take a note.
This isn’t exactly true. The British were well aware of the Manhattan Project- indeed, the whole thing began as the British Tube Alloys project before they ran out of money and convinced the Americans to take it on, with the British delegation taking prominent roles.
Britain also knew that the bomb was ready for use as the US didn’t have any bomb bay mounts strong enough to hold the weight, and they had to ask the RAF to supply a small number of mounts that had been designed for Barnes-Wallace’s 10,000kg earthquake bombs.
The big difference is that an atomic bomb would still be useful once it is revealed while this would likely be significantly less effective.
There’s going to be a bit of contextual nuance when deciding whether to share intelligence and when. I’d bet if we had a respectable statesperson friendly to Ukraine’s plight leading this country we would have gotten a few days notice at least.
in a trusting ally relationship this would probably be fairly normal. In this case especially since the US is providing a lot of intel.
Intel is very different from secrets. Secrets can be blown wide open if they are leaked by one person.
To Ukraine or Russia?
“Deliberately blindsided” is a little strong. We’re not even officially an ally of Ukraine. They don’t owe us, or anyone else jack shit as far as their war plans for defending their country. Add to that the fact that Trump is credibly accused of being a Russian asset and defers to their interests 99% of the time… Why the fuck would you trust us right now!?
I’d be surprised if Ukraine isn’t feeding Trump false info to see if Russia reacts to it
Dont know about false, but a good mix of low priority targets.
Dantooine. Zelenskyy is on Dantooine.
Far to remote to make an effective example.
Now that you mention it, we can be certain that they have done so, and will continue to do so.
Yeah, frankly I think it wouldn’t even be good to tell Biden about it, he would likely discourage from that move. At best he would pretend he did not know about it.
Biden supplied Ukraine with long range missiles even while Putin was sabre rattling nukes.
aparently that’s what they have been doing. This attack was in the works for quite a while
Why inform Putin’s Bitch?
Ukraine is a sovereign country, they don’t need to tell Don anything.
Exactly. As a courtesy they might give trusted allies a few hours notice, or at least inform them when the op has started. But unless they needed the assistance of an ally in planning and preparing such an attack then informing anybody well ahead of time serves no useful purpose at all.
No US weaponry was used in this righteous attack either, literally no reason to put the US in the loop
Ukraine is a sovereign country
NATO to the left of me. Putler to the right.
Ukraine’s a few steps shy of Kurdistan when it comes to sovereignty. They don’t even bother with elections anymore, given how much of the country is contended or outright occupied. So much of the killing and the dying is about changing that.
So much of the killing and the dying is about changing that.
What the actual fuck are you saying? Are you implying that Russia is doing Ukraine a favor by initiating the killing so Ukraine can become part of Russia to avoid the killing that Russian could’ve simply not done?
What the actual fuck are you saying?
That Ukraine is occupied territory. It’s as sovereign as the West Bank atm. Pretending otherwise is delusional, not patriotic.
Except it is not occupied territory.
Someone inform Crimea.
If it’s been said to a Russian troll once, it’s been said a thousand times now. Ukraine’s constitution doesn’t allow for elections during a state of war.
Hope they don’t end up like Korea, technically in a State of War for 70 years running.
There is nothing anyone should discuss with Cheeto, he is dumb and works for russians. There is absolutely no value in that person, he is a completely worthless useless being.
Correction… he works only for himself.
That’s what Putin wants him to think
He’s worse than worthless, he’s actively harmful
Should have fed him a false location and then monitored Putin’s move. Would have confidently proven that tRump is an asset if moves were made to the fake target. Trap this fucker and then public punishment!
Or maybe this op was withheld because they had already done that.
Hopefully, we don’t hear about some intelligence agent with a new book coming out in the future regarding how tRump was a known asset for the Kremlin and how he was caught red-handed giving info to Putin in some false-flag operation.
Should have fed him a false location and then monitored Putin’s move.
Putin, the Saudis, Israel, FIFA…
Trump’s White House possibly has the highest listening-devices-per-sqft of any office on the planet. I wonder if signal interference is a problem.
It works like Mr. Burns’ immune system. Everyone is trying to listen in on Trump, but they step on each others toes and cancel out.
Star Fleet Intelligence also operates on this principle.
I can just see Putin, Saudis, Netanyahu sitting around a table bickering about who gets the best bandwidth from listening equipment at the oval office, because little children just refuse to share…
Oh, is that why it was such an effective attack?
“Ukraine doesn’t give intel to obvious Russkie mole”
Yeah, no shit
I would be more curious to know if there is anyone downstream of Trump working within the Pentagon/CIA that’s still actively coordinating US intelligence with Ukranian forces.
Like, is the entire US military cut out of Ukrainian operations at the NATO level. Or is some faction within the Joint Chiefs pulling a SpaceX and giving Trump/Hegseth the Elon Musk busy-box while they run things outside his purview?
You do not inform enemy agents of your secret military operations.
This first time I saw this headline I was like “YEAH, why would they???”
Good, thats what they should do
The u.s is not an ally to any of us, we have to purposely hide things from them or government and treat them as spies for Russia.
The US isn’t even an ally to itself.
As they should in the future as well.
You do what you must when your life is on the line
And what you absolutely must do is not say a fuckin word to trump. Unless maybe you want him to pass disinformation to Putin.
So, purposely say misleading things to him. Ideally things that harm him too when it gets obvious he snitched
I’m honestly surprised this hasn’t been happening for the past 9 years.
