The pig sees her, turns, aims, and shoots her almost point blank.

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    LAPD shot a protester in the head with rubber bullets and refused to call an ambulance for her as she lay there bleeding and concussed; another protester was trampled and concussed by mounted police; countless other protestors were beat over the head savagely with batons… and this is only what was on video.

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      NYpd and lapd are probably the most corrupt out there. LAPD has actual gang affiliations, some with white supremcesists.

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        Rage against the machine lyrics are factually based.

        Lots of police departments started as slaver patrols, Union busters, and right wing militia.

        Portland’s police, for example, were originally a KKK militia.

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      California should pass a ballot initiative making it legal for any random person to shoot police with less lethal munitions whenever they want. You should just be able to walk up to any cop, any time you want, and shoot them with a rubber bullet. If it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander.

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      It’s one thing to constantly talk about standing up to tyranny and defending your precious freedoms, owning guns especially for that long awaited moment when they can be revolutionary heroes.
      Looks like Americans talk the talk but don’t walk the walk.

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        The Americans who spout off about things like standing up to tyranny and how much they love having guns are not the same people participating in this protest. The government is actively supporting those people.

        The protesters are the ones expecting the rule of law to eventually win, but also know how important it is to protest so that the rule of law continues to exist. It may not be as violent as you’re expecting, but it seems to me that they are walking the walk.

        We haven’t done this in a while and we’re a little rusty, but that doesn’t mean we aren’t fighting.

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          The Americans who spout off about things like standing up to tyranny and how much they love having guns are not the same people participating in this protest

          And this is part of the problem. Maybe we should be the people bitching about tyranny and loving guns.

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          Guns is probably and mostly a typical right-wing fetish (despite Dem uniparty politicians doing nothing about it).
          The freedom and revolutionary spirit talk is for sure bipartisan and typical American.

          I can tell you now the velvet gloves, following the little rules is not going to work.
          You will get nothing if you don’t take it.

          And when have you done this before?
          I can’t think of anything.

          Edit:
          Wondering if you’ve been influenced by this rat here:
          https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/1l7iqgl/stfu_lib_show_some_solidarity/

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      It’s called flirting. Or maybe he asked her out and she rejected him. It really could go both ways.

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            Then the poor LA taxpayers foot the bill while Rubber Rambo keeps his job and gets a free vacation.

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              Taxpayers are footing the bill regardless. That should never be a deterrent for holding the bad guys responsible for their behavior.

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                Im pointing out that it doesn’t hold the bad guys accountable. They are above the law, the only accountability they will get is bleeding to death on the streets. Or even smarter, bleeding to death in their bedroom or the bar the frequent.

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                  Look I’m just as jaded, exhausted, and sick of this tyrannical bullshit as you are, but at the same time we’ve got to start somewhere. And if we can maybe make things (financially) uncomfortable for the people in charge, then so be it.

                  A foreign news organization is more likely able to make things uncomfortable than you or me.

                  We’ve got to start somewhere. We’ve got to start, and never stop.

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            We won’t. Our government is still trying to pretend that everything is fine and normal in the US despite winning the recent election in a massive landslide based partially on anti-Trumpism sentiment. I’d love to see Albo prove me wrong but I’m not holding my breath.

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      I was watching Hasan being at the protests to get a sense of what is actually going on and a European left a comment on his video that succinctly put the US police into perspective.

      As a European I don’t get how the police is just shooting rubber bullets instantly, why do they not have riot shields and water throwers and such, it seems so uncivilised.

      And that pretty much sums up the cops in the US. They’re just uncivilized. Their idea of “deescalation” is escalation until you’re too incapacitated to fight back.

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    I mean, let’s not use charged language like ‘almost point blank’ when it clearly isn’t… to attempt to make it more provocative than it already is.

    This is already a blatantly obvious unwarranted attack on a reporter and the 1A. An attack on someone who isn’t even participating in the protests, just reporting. Who the officer clearly saw. This is assault (edit: or battery, depending on your legal definitions and the jurisdiction).

    But, ‘almost point blank’…? That’s like 20-30 yards there.

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      Point Blank: The distance between a gun and a target such that it requires minimal effort in aiming it. In particular no allowance needs to be made for effects of gravity, target movement or wind in aiming the projectile.

      You are correct, it wasn’t “almost point blank”, because it is absolutely point blank.

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      Judging by their relative sizes in the screengrab and with some quick back-of-the-envelope math, the cop is about 5 meters away from her. That’s pretty fucking close to point blank, no?

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        Honestly I assumed that it was a lot closer than that too, by that definition since I have a 50-200yd zero on my rifle, that’d mean anything out to 200yd is technically “point blank” which kinda seems like not how the phrase is usually used.

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          No, for you it would be anything within 50 that’s essentially an easy shot. No leading or anything like that.

          At 200 yards the bullet has curved above the point of aim and fallen back down to your impact point.

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            I’ve rethought actually, and technically, since gravity starts to affect it the second it leaves the muzzle (trajectory is parabolic because your muzzle is aimed slightly up, not because bullets defy gravity), there is no point blank past the muzzle.

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                Don’t blame me, blame the dictionary that decided to define it by “affected by gravity” which honestly it still would be affected by gravity in the barrel even, since it’s on damn earth. I guess point blank only exists in space lol.

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                  “Point-blank range is any distance over which a certain firearm or gun can hit a target without the need to elevate the barrel to compensate for bullet drop, i.e. the gun can be pointed horizontally at the target.[1][2]”

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          I’m sure that applies for some combination of bow, arrow, and archer. I’ll add it to the list of things 5e has done to irritate me.

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        I’ll admit that before reading this comment thread I probably would have said that point blank is so close you could basically reach out and touch, or nearly touch, the target.

        I do hope, however, that I would look it up before contesting how it was used.

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          The technical term comes from archery. In archery, the arrow rises when fired, so when shooting at very close targets, you actualy aim lower than the point you want to hit. At distant targets, of course, you aim higher, because the arrow will start to fall.

          “Point Blank” is the distance at which you aim directly at the target. Last time I did any shooting, it was about 22 feet, with my bow and my arrows.

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            It actually comes from artillery, but it’s the same idea.

            Cannons were tapered, so the bore would point slightly upwards compared to the line of sight on top of the cannon. So the projectiles trajectory would rise above and then fall below the line of sight.

            Point blank range was the distance at which the projectile drops below that line when the cannon was aimed at zero elevation.

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              It actually comes from artillery, but it’s the same idea.

              I question the accuracy of this statement. Archers existed long before black-powder artillery. At the same time, though, I don’t know if anyone would have been concerned with that measurement, way back when.

              EDIT: Wikipedia suggests that the term did, in fact, originate with muzzle-loaded artillery. Good on you for correcting me.

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      “20-30 yards”!? I’m assuming you’re in the US as well, so you should know yards better than that. But I’m not going to quibble over exact distance. He shot a reporter! Not in the midst of defending himself. He was standing, then raised his rifle, aimed, and deliberately fired on an uninvolved member of the media obviously covering the situation with a microphone. THAT’S the issue.

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        Re-read the center ‘paragraph’ of my earlier statement.

        Also, I still believe a good argument can be made for it being close to 20 yards and that there’s still room to quibble on the left and right of ‘point blank’.

        Edit: not that any of that matters

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    Bullet proof west with PRESS on it and a helmet/glasses. Trump made a war zone so it should be treated as a war zone.

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    I think the provocation was her reporting facts. Can’t have that when most voters have chosen Trump.

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    I think Trump dreams of a civil war. That will be the perfect excuse to hurry the slow dictatorship takeover.

    That is slowly happening anyway, while people are still having wet dreams of democracy.

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      I think Trump dreams of a civil war

      then let’s have one. let’s make it go sideways for him. we can’t back down from aggression. that’s living in fear. i want to see this end in a way that sends a dire warning for all future fascists, sociopaths, and idiots.

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    A good time to remind everybody that while rubber bullets are considered “non-lethal,” they can kill.

    Back in 2004 a college student in Boston died from a bullet that missed its intended target, hit the ground and ricocheted into her eye.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Victoria_Snelgrove

    So, while the shot certainly wasn’t warranted, IMO its worse because of what could have happened because this officer was taking a shot for fun.

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      That and the fact it’s directly attacking your civil rights to free speech and an unprovoked attack. So it’s definitely unconstitutional.

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      Even if less-lethal ammunition were risk free, that should still be a crime. Even in the ideal risk-free case, how is this any different from assault, if the cop came up behind a reporter swinging his baton. There was clearly no justifiable reason, it was clearly assault for fun or intimidation, and any reasonable person would know that.

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      “non-lethal” Oh, boy! What an infuriating misnomer that is.

      This is also a good time to remember nothing here in this context is “non-lethal”. All of these things (sand bags, tear gas, tasers, pepper spray, mace, rubber bullets, batons, shields, tactical holds, etc.) are accurately called “less lethal” because all of them can and will kill under certain circumstances, even when used by trained officers with good intentions. (I know. How often does that happen, right?) It doesn’t take much to cross that line between “not intending murder” and “actual fucking murder”, often something as simple as a common medical condition or simply falling while moving over hard ground like curbs and sidewalks. If a reporter is using the term “non-lethal” in the context of police brutality, that’s a pretty good sign that you are being lied to.

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      There’s a distance at which they stop being “less-lethal”. At 10 meters/30 feet they’re considered extremely dangerous. The “effective range” at which they’re generally considered less likely to penetrate is 20 to 30 meters (65 to 100 feet).

      Lenses make estimating distance tricky, but based on the lines in the road, I don’t think she’s 20 meters away from that cop.

      These journalists need body armor and helmets if they’re going to be that close to American Police. Back in 2011 an Iraq War vet named Scott Olsen was head shot at a distance of a few feet fracturing his skull and when some protestors tried to rescue him they flashbanged the rescue effort. It’s extremely unsafe to be that close to these guys.

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      Almost all " non-lethal" munitions are really “less lethal” and capable of killing someone if they get hit in the wrong area. They also easily maim. I saw a pellet from what are called “donkey balls” which are essentially clay-more mines filled with little rubber pellets bounce off a wall fast enough to go through someone’s cheek and exit out the other side of his mouth. TLDR You can really fuck someone up with that stuff. Cops think they are like nerf toys.

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        Those are the things the Jackass guys got shot with in the first movie. The company called it a “Stingmore” mine.

        Way too many people are comfortable with utilizing anything referred to as a “mine” against unarmed civilians.

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    This will not be covered by the MSM.

    Imagine if a cop was rubber bulleted tho. It would be even more endless copaganda…

    What dat fascist culture do.

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    Imagine if you were the security guard at literally anywhere and did this. Not only would you be fired. You would likely not work security ever again. Also, you’d face criminal charges. I get cops have more responsibility than a security guard at the mall. But the video evidence shows us a clear psychopath that wouldn’t qualify for a security guard position. Will there be punishment? Maybe an investigation? Not really. American police are not police any more. They’re the SS. And they will shoot kids dead for looking in the wrong direction. We are far beyond the point of no return.

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      Private security here! Spent eight years as a guard before moving up to corporate level.

      I think about this daily. How an armed guard could get not only fired, but potentially blacklisted from the entire industry (at least locally) for pulling their gun at the “wrong” time. If I were on duty and shot a journalist with a rubber bullet on fucking TV….its just inconceivable. If I were a manager and got a call that one of my guards did this, I can’t even imagine, I’d have to Japanese-train-conductor myself live on the 5pm news after reading a 20 page apology. There aren’t responses strong enough in my repertoire for something like that.

      Cops just do it and saunter on to their next abomination.

      Like it or not, private security have ten times the liability, accountability, damn near any metric you wanna use, that police do. We get fired (or removed from contracts at client request) for tiny shit daily. A guard being caught burping by a dickish client manager could lose a contract worth millions and dozens of people their jobs.

      There are enough bad apples in our industry that I can’t really argue against the leeriness, ridicule, etc, from the public. I get it; there are a lot of IRL Paul Blarts out there. It means the industry needs to raise standards…meh, I’m getting off topic here.

      You’re entirely correct, and I’m glad to see this pointed out. Police get away with shit that would get any guard super-extra-mecha fired, whether it’s a highly trained armed guard working a federal contract or an unarmed kid making $9 an hour to sit in an empty parking lot.

      From both sides of the fence, this is not how this should be working.

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        the difference is police, are enabled the govt to do this. and the police union, really a gang can strongarm a city by refusing to do thier job.

        as a side bonus, it preferentially chooses conservatives and social rejects as a hiring preference.