Can we just let this shit die already? If you’re unsatisfied with Wayland make extensions to the protocol or make a new one.
Why in the fuck are so many people obssessed over a piece of software that contains an entire networking stack and has a security model so bad that it lets literally every application keylog you constantly?
@solardirus@cm0002 Someone already attempted to make Wayland Network, it’s called Wayland on Wires, but it just kind of fizzled. Wayland users aren’t real Linux users, they’re gamers, outcasts from Windows and they really should have stayed there. Xorg users by contrast are people using Linux to do real work, over the network, which is where X shines and Wayland fails outright, so it is good that XLibre exists.
What? I’ve gotten RDP, VNC, and SPICE working fine on Wayland. And if you need app-level displays then waypipe worked fine the last time I used it. I’ve been running Proxmox containers with Wayland just fine, too.
Any particular use case that benefits from what Xorg was uniquely capable of networking-wise (network transparency, afaik?) of is quite niche and development effort twoards that end has always reflected that!
I’ve not been able to find the git or project repo/writeup of “Wayland on Wires”. Though i do vaguely feel like I saw it somewhere.
But I suppose me and my ongoing computer science degree and shared family hobby of IT simply hasn’t reached Real Linux User levels yet. I must sharpen my Bash Blade for another 1000 years…
Since that’s the case, I suppose I must defer to your Infinitely Endless Wisdom as a True Linux User. I beg of thee, answer my Most Piteous Questions…:
What do you use Xorg’s networking functionality for?
@solardirus Yes, RDP, VNC, and SPICE do not USE X redirection so naturally they will work fine, but try this, while you are on one server using wayland, ssh -Y server into another, and then launch xsol or xclock or synaptic or any other X-application.
Can we just let this shit die already? If you’re unsatisfied with Wayland make extensions to the protocol or make a new one.
Why in the fuck are so many people obssessed over a piece of software that contains an entire networking stack and has a security model so bad that it lets literally every application keylog you constantly?
@solardirus @cm0002 Someone already attempted to make Wayland Network, it’s called Wayland on Wires, but it just kind of fizzled. Wayland users aren’t real Linux users, they’re gamers, outcasts from Windows and they really should have stayed there. Xorg users by contrast are people using Linux to do real work, over the network, which is where X shines and Wayland fails outright, so it is good that XLibre exists.
What? I’ve gotten RDP, VNC, and SPICE working fine on Wayland. And if you need app-level displays then waypipe worked fine the last time I used it. I’ve been running Proxmox containers with Wayland just fine, too.
Any particular use case that benefits from what Xorg was uniquely capable of networking-wise (network transparency, afaik?) of is quite niche and development effort twoards that end has always reflected that!
I’ve not been able to find the git or project repo/writeup of “Wayland on Wires”. Though i do vaguely feel like I saw it somewhere.
But I suppose me and my ongoing computer science degree and shared family hobby of IT simply hasn’t reached Real Linux User levels yet. I must sharpen my Bash Blade for another 1000 years…
Since that’s the case, I suppose I must defer to your Infinitely Endless Wisdom as a True Linux User. I beg of thee, answer my Most Piteous Questions…:
@solardirus Yes, RDP, VNC, and SPICE do not USE X redirection so naturally they will work fine, but try this, while you are on one server using wayland, ssh -Y server into another, and then launch xsol or xclock or synaptic or any other X-application.