How to say Marx was right without saying “Marx was right”.
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Did he fly across the world on his private jet to announce this?
Canada (and the world) will burn. You think migrants are a problem now? Wait until millions of people have no choice but to go north and the water wars start.
the spice must flow!
O damn, almost forgot about the water wars. Those were brutal. Before those people genuinely believed there was nothing bigger than a World War. The fools. Like if you’re still here in 2125.
The water wars will start far sooner than that
Pakistan and India, Egypt and Ethiopia. Various states in the southwest are looking to pop off when the civil war starts up. Water wars are starting NOW.
Thanks to big corporations effectively owning governments and big politicians the world over, things aren’t bound to get better anytime soon, because “the economy”. Fuck that shit
And thank the Saudis too. Guess where the previous conference on phasing out fossil fuel, but agreed to slow down the process, was held.
the focus on politics, economics, and law are all destined to fail because they are based around humans. They’re designed to guide humans, but we’ve left out the foundation of our existence, which is nature, clean air, pure water, rich soil, food, and sunlight. That’s the foundation of the way we live and, when we construct legal, economic and political systems, they have to be built around protecting those very things, but they’re not.
Powerful truth!
So, how long do we have left?
“Collapse is a process, not an event.” It’s very likely we’ll be extinct by the end of the century. There will be all manner of hell from now until then. Our population of over 8 billion is only possible because of a highly complex global web of systems. Complex systems are fragile. Once dominos start falling, people will start starving very quickly.
Its entirely possible that 99% of humanity dies but I don’t really buy into us going extinct. People have an inate drive to survive and even if things are genuinely horrible I don’t see them just giving up. Unless there is literally no food/potable water I think the planet is stuck with some form of humanity until the planet is uninhabitable. Remember there are still dinosaurs around today, they just look different.
Hard to say. Tide levels could rise by as much as 3 meters if your mom’s fatAss went in the ocean.
I didn’t know 13 year olds used Lemmy.
My mom is a pile of ashes in an urn. Doubt she could do anything to sea levels.
No one knows, many humans and other species are already dying from climate change today. Get used to hearing the phrase “It is happening much faster than expected.” from now on.
Guess people better start updating their plans then. No point in starting a family and having kids when they’ll just die to climate change.
People are doing that. Fertility rates are way below replacement rates. Now billionaires are freaking out that their customer base and work force is shrinking.
And the solution is of course outlawing abortions, instead of keeping the planet in a habitable state.
Others have already tried banning abortions and it was a total failure, but ideology says it’s a great idea so there they go again.
I am way ahead of you.
I’m curious if we will hit a correctional point when most of life dies off and civilization can restart. I’m picturing some fallout/metro kind of shit where people need to love underground for centuries.
This guy says climate change mitigation will be a blip on the radar of economic growth:
This guy has no fucking clue about human beings and does not give a single shit about human beings. His opinion can be safely discarded
Hooooly shit, that man is a sociopath. It’s no wonder we’re barrelling into 5°C with people like him driving the world’s economy.
He’s done the classic trader thing:
- Classify everything based on its financial value
- Ignore the real-world implications of things that don’t fit his models
- Take it as a given that markets will always behave the same way regardless of point 2.
The typical Lemming will be poorer but fine, unless it triggers other human disasters like a nuclear exchange. The lower classes of Bangladesh, less so, and 95%+ of coral reefs are fucked.
I would say under ten years if we are talking about staying in “life as we know it.” Global food supplies are at risk. We are going to see mass die offs in large portions of the ocean. AMOC and the Jet stream will continue to wobble around causing mayhem. Coastale areas will become eroded and huge portions of the infrastructure will become unfixable as the disasters come too frequently for any real, long term repairs to remain.
Think about that term, tipping piont. Tipping does not imply a gentle decent.
@asg101 I agree we’ve lost the opportunity and will have to “hunker down”. But hearing it from David Suzuki is…hard.
1950’s oil execs funded studies that show how they will kill the planet if they don’t stop, transition to something else, hell they had enough fore warning they could have R&D’d solar and monopolize the tech, but NO! They needed to make faster money faster and stopping yourself from killing the human race isn’t THAT important, and they knew they’d be dead by now.
They might have been able to monopolize SOME of the tech, but they knew they could never own access to the sun. But yeah, they knew that they were incinerating us for decades. Which makes it premeditated murder in my books.
Has been for ages. It’s now question of how bad, and we are still making it worse.
And we’re gonna increasingly train more AI, mine more crypto, open more coal mines, industrially kill more animals, fight more wars.
I’m sick of this WE, im not a billionaire pumping more Co2 per day with my yacht fleet than a town of people do in their life. I’m sick of being blamed for this shit, when all my conservation is undone in a minute by a corporation. I refuse to take equal blame any longer
Good point. I try my best, but even if like 90 % of the population tried harder, it would barely offset the billionaire companies killing our planet.
They’re the problem, always has been that way.
I think it’s time to stop them.
The best we can do for the planet is toss a few billionaires into a volcano as a sacrifice to earth
Now that’s some carbon sequestration
I’m down.
This simply isn’t correct. While the billionaires yacht fleet and jet setting make them have insane carbon footprints individually, it is their business practices that actually register in terms of contributing significant chunks of the carbon budget for humanity. Bezo’s jets and yachts pale in comparison to Amazons delivery fleet and manufacturing all that junk. It’s counterproductive to focus on their personal emissions, when it’s the interaction of their businesses, government, and consumers that are burning the earth. We have 2 levers on that problem.
You’re right. I was thinking more about the individuals responsible capture and refining of fossil fuels.
But the pretty ubiquitous use of Amazon delivery does greatly contribute a lot. Didn’t really think about it in that aspect. Thanks for pointing that out.
Well, one way in which we can help fight against climate change is by not eating meat or dairy products.
For anyone curious about the subject, there’s some good science backing that up, though the links I’m providing are lazy DDG searches, so if anyone wants to do it, they can probably find better sources out there with more information.
Going vegan, or at least mostly vegan, is the way to go. Can start with going vegetarian and at least swapping out meat sources. Alternative vegan protein sources
With that being said, I do not practice what I preach. I should, though.
The actual problem is democratic oligarchism/zionism/neocon warmongering/US colonialism. Protecting establishment is easily supported when higher priorities than human sustainability can be manufactured. The more miserable you are made, the less you care about “higher level Maslow hierarchy needs” at political level.
The best way to reduce all the excess manufacturing for livestock is by not buying it their products. If it’s all about ROI for them, give them a reason to reduce their manufacturing with your purchasing power.
The best way to reduce all the excess manufacturing for livestock is by not buying it their products.
has that ever worked?
Again though, I do all these things and it doesn’t matter cause my entire life’s output of CO2 is being put out by one guy in an hour. I’m turning off lights and corporate buildings are running all the lights and AC 24/7
Lol yup, trump also went all in on climate denial. Definitely fucked.
All that’s left is to make the rich suffer.
“The Earth is not dying, it is being killed, and those who are killing it have names and addresses.”
~Utah Phillips
Inb4 some pedant quibbles that “the planet itself is not dying.” Yeah, but we and our fellow creatures are. It should be understood that is what Mr. Phillips meant.
Just hope that the next intelligent species will speedrun capitalism
With the Sun it’s hard to really believe there’s enough time left in the habitable zone Earth era left.
*for that to happen again.
I gave up a long time ago. The last time we really did anything about an issue like this was lead in gasoline. 50+ years of knowing we had to change. I wonder if maybe the wealthy elites know whats coming. I wonder if this new rise in facism is partially an answer to the fact that there won’t be enough of anything to go around. That is why they want us having babies. for soliders. I hope they have some spark of humanity and let people self terminate but I bet you would need money for it.
I’m pretty sure that’s what the grab for Ukraine and Trump’s stated intent to annex Greenland is about. Both of those have the potential to become food security sources after significant global heating. I’m also pretty sure that’s why authoritarians are seizing control of govt (and by extension that govts security services) because there won’t be enough to go around and they’re going to need soldiers to keep the hungry people away from their billionaire breadbaskets.
what possible reason could there be in self termination when there is a good fight to be fought (against the oppressors)
Genuinely seen conspiracy theorists say “they removed lead paint to that they can control you with 5g”
If we still had lead gasoline, people would say you can pry it out of their cold dead hands
We do still have leaded petrol. All piston engined aircraft are still burning fuel with added lead.
What about ozone layer?
If you gave up a long time ago, then why did you bother to write that comment? Clearly you haven’t given up.
Just wanted to add that maybe the last thing that we did for the environment and that really worked was for acid rain in 1991. At least where I live.
A few years before that there was the Montreal Protocol that banned CFCs and helped to heal the hole in the ozone layer. I think.
But yeah, I don’t remember anything of the sort recently,
Where I live people are replacing furnaces with heat pumps, if enough do it could mace a minuscule effect.
Fuck that. It’s never lost, it’s just that we are constantly heading towards worse outcomes.
If we as humanity start taking it seriously tomorrow, it would still be a victory over only starting in a decade.
It’s not lost, it’s just getting worse, and that should make people want to fight.
saying that the fight is lost is just creating more disengagement and hopelessness.
I like the saying “The best time to plant a tree was 30 years ago, the second best is today.” Because it is almost universally true about any long term goal.
But we’re not starting tomorrow. It’s not that we’re clueless, we know what to do and why, but we don’t.
We have started to reduce how much worse we make it, and a fair bit of progress has been made there in some countries, UK carbon emissions are less than half what they were per capita several decades ago.
When I was young we had a fireplace and would often burn coal in winter. Now I have a heat pump to warm my entire house by extracting thermal energy from the atmosphere.
Luigis for billionaires would be a great start.
You are using the broadest possible definition of “lost.”
Lost as in no more human civilization. It doesn’t matter when you start doing stuff, that future is coming. We could maybe slow it at this point, but not much else and even that is up for debate with all the tipping points being reached. They will have a far greater effect on the climate than anything that we do now.
Human civilization is bound to die at some point. If we give up now it will just happen faster and with more suffering. If we fight we will still improve things, maybe not everything will be okay, but when has it ever been?
I suppose it wasn’t clear in my comment but I’m not advocating for doing nothing. Just to have realistic expectations about what is possible. If you sell everyone on reversing everything, and then fail, it will breed discontent further than being honest. That’s all.
There’s also the biosphere to think about. Even in we go, it doesn’t mean that all life has to go with us
Even if we intentionally released as much co2 as we could all life on earth is not at risk. Remember that there’s a fair amount of life that is virtually unchanged since the paleozoic period when all that co2 was in the air. Beyond that there’s stuff that hangs out in volcanic vents, rapidly evolving life that can adapt even to rapid change, bacteria, molds, mosses and algae. And who knows maybe there’s even a small adaptable mammal or 2 that gets out and evolves enough for a second attempt at sapience.
Don’t get me wrong the climate disaster is truly a unique and devastating extinction event, but humans are not so powerful as to leave the earth a completely lifeless rock.
We kill 80 billion land animals per year for factory farming and we’ve caused almost 2 species of animal per year to go completely extinct over the last 500 years.
We are going to destroy almost all life on this planet.
Exactly. Fuck the humans, at this point I just want as much as else possible to be saved.
Futurama, Crimes of the hot episode was a prophecy
