I hate when people say that they’ll only move when it has 100% support
People who say ‘cant wait for steamOS to come out so that I can move to it’ is also very similar
They never will try Linux, even if what they want comes true
They won’t do it, whether they just fear change or think it’ll break stuff or they can’t bother
And I’m not going to lie, I don’t hate them or debate with them for it, I just hate the bold lies they tell just to get with the crowd
“Fuck you Microsoft, I’m moving to Linux” says the individual that would never move if they haven’t already
Frankly, I probably wouldn’t move either if Windows didn’t permanently break my ethernet and WiFi drivers, and reinstalling windows wasn’t harder than installing Linux, fucking hell
Either way, these people kick up hype for a Linux that will be so much bigger but they never arrive
Maybe they will, due in fucking 2028 or something when they invent a really easy way to use built in Linux tools to move your files from NTFS to Linux and then when you launch steam you have a perfect library of Linux compatible games that are as good or better than windows
And don’t lie, even now with 80% compatibility it feels more like 60%, whether because it depends on the system one runs or because the performance drops just make it not worth it…
At least don’t lie that you’ll move to Linux at a goal post that you’ll just move whenever you get close, maybe say that you’ll move to Linux when you finally get a new pc with a new disk or something?
“it has to run every single piece of windows software or else its useless”
If your computer is mainly a toy I really DGAF what you put up with to use it.
This is an terrible take. You must have switched the moment you became aware of Linux, had no qualms or before the switch, didn’t mull it over even a little bit.
Please go back in time to when you weren’t using Linux yet, and direct this rant at yourself and see how you like it.
At the time I wasn’t thinking of switching my pc over to Linux, so it wouldn’t have been hypocrisy on my part
I had Linux installed on a laptop before and it ran well even in the past before all the compatibility improvements
After that the reinstall was fast and moving files over was easy
The only thing that would’ve made me mad about this post is that I wouldn’t shut the fuck up because I was raving too much, but now I’ve got interest and a whole lot of annoyance over so-called anti-establishmentarianists who rather talk Linux for months on end with no actual plan of moving even though they talk as if they have one, that fucking ticks me off, and I feel as if it’s everywhere because people wanna fit in
Besides, it’s Lemmy and it’s online, it’s a person’s choice to read my rant and click on the post, thankfully it isn’t a square where I’m screaming like a mad man, haha
This reminds me when I was a teenager, it’s sort of a tradition to call anyone who got into $THING after you did a poser, while the older kids make fun of you for the same reason. This establishes the hacking order. Since I reckon I’m the elder in this situation, I’ll do this to you now: Stop being a poser, you don’t want to scare away any cool grown-ups do you?
??? Judge me all you want
whole lot of annoyance over so-called anti-establishmentarianists who rather talk Linux for months on end with no actual plan of moving even though they talk as if they have one, that fucking ticks me off, and I feel as if it’s everywhere because people wanna fit in
Yeah you’re keeping it real, fucking posers amiright? You’re sooo mad at all these phonies just trying to fit in.
I seriously hope you’re just a teenager because that means you’re going to grow out of this phase, otherwise this is just sad.
Yeah you’re right
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modern games are trash and slop
better to install linux and play retro games made by creative game devs
Maybe look past triple A games next time you make such an assessment
What a horrible take
I’m having ca 20 servers at home and the majority of those are linux. I love it. My main rig is still windows and will probably stay that way unless win12 won’t finally cure what pisses me off so damn much with 11. They won’t, obviously. But migration would be very hard. Most of my tools won’t run, most of my self made tools won’t run, most of my games won’t run, most 4 decades of internalization of shortcuts won’t cut it short anymore. And I won’t even start with the domain migration horrors as this one’s still MS. I would end up dual booting for eternity until I stop booting up one of the two.
So…my point is. I use the right tool for the right job.
Just a heads up,
Most of my tools won’t run, (you can likely find alternatives for most, barring adobe)
most of my self made tools won’t run, (well you can fix that, now can’t ya? You made em once you can make em again)
most of my games won’t run, (Destiny player? Seems most single players run these days, but yeah the kernel level anticheat “required” by many online games renders them unplayable, because even if they do run like destiny you just get acct banned for playing on linux. This is the fault of the companies though, not on linux or its community for hating the kernel level spyware, of course.)
most 4 decades of internalization of shortcuts won’t cut it short anymore. (Actually you may be surprised, many windows shortcuts still work on KDE, and you can configure them however you want if there’s something missing. Plus you’d learn any “new” ones quicker than you may think.)
But yeah that said it isn’t for everybody. Just gotta weigh the cost/benefit, is it worth it to you to learn a little about a new UI to escape microsoft’s actively hostile anti-consumer practices, or would you rather just grin and bear it for “ease” (though it could be argued that “learning the new thing and being done with it” is actually easier than dealing with windows, just that learning the new thing frontloads the “hard” while dealing with microsoft is a constant annoyance. But I digress.)
oh but I’m not talking about the people who WONT move, I’m mentioning those who tall as if they will move soon, then later, then later, then later…
For example, “I’ll move when the steam deck comes out” then “I’ll move when a steam deck OS comes out”, “I’ll move when windows copilot is released”, “I’ll move when windows is EoL”, goal posts they just keep moving to my knowledge…
I’ll move once it has Steam VR support. I don’t care if it’s just one VR game at the start. I just want to be able to see my monitors and play one game. And I know other options exist. But I want Steam.
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Switching from Windows to Linux was a refreshing experience. I’ve never encountered any problems running Windows games on Linux.
The only thing I miss is ShareX.
If you are on KDE, Spectacle is top and can do everything even recording.
Check out flameshot, not quite the same but still very good.
I hate when people say that they’ll only move when it has 100% support
Why do you give a shit what os others use?
There’s precisely one reason I care, to increase compatibility with linux.
Once anticheat works perfectly on linux, I’ll completely stop caring what other people do. Everything else will come with time.
Frankly I started to hold Linux like it was a religion, but beyond that admission it’s not that I care about them but them constantly saying shit like so which they know they don’t actually believe in or will do
Imagine advocating for a protest just for you to not even show up
I’ve been playing with linux since the mid 90s. I have it on majority of my devices, but my main is still running windows 10. Exactly because it doesn’t run everything I need 100%, nor do I enjoy spending hours trying to get things to work anymore.
I mean, I think protests are important but I have to work to stay out of the homeless shelter
Because of bandwagon effect. The more people use linux, then even more will. And itll get more support from software and hardware developers. And the world will be more free, safe, and not controlled by a big corp.
Well said
Why is it a lie if people don’t want to switch, because their games are not there yet? Maybe someone plays a lot League of Legends, or Fortnite, or Valorant, or Destiny 2 or whatever [insert your game here]. They don’t know what awaits them in Linux and think its a similar operating system without the bullshit of Microsoft. Lot of people would happily switch, if they have the courage to install it themselves (with burning iso or boot disks). If the games are the most important thing, then its hard to argue to switch, if their games are not working in Linux. Because doing so would mean leaving friends behind too.
Its not a lie. My brother is in a similar situation. He purchased a Steam Deck in a situation where he was thinking about getting a laptop. First it was nice, but then more and more he could not play the games he wanted to, besides a few software compatibility issues like Discord. Now the next PC he purchased (I build it for him) has Windows. Windows bugs him, but its a necessary evil. He will switch, if his games are working in Linux and if he can be confident that future games he want to play will work on Linux as well.
People won’t like it to hear but let’s face something: if your reasoning to keep using a proprietary system that violates your privacy and belong to a evil company is because you have to play videogames your intelligence and self control is that of a child.
I dual boot windows to play VR and a few anticheat games. Guess I have the self control and intelligence of a small child, but at least not that of a condescending adult (:
This comment just reeks if unrecognized privilege
Right, you should also cut yourself off from your family if you’re in any way rich, right?
It’s mainly Linux enthusiasts who evangelize other people to use it. So if others don’t want to move to Linux, let them be.
If the game doesn’t run on Linux, there’s a good chance it’s using a rootkit and should not be installed on windows either.
And/or that it’s coded badly. So I double don’t want it.
The game Smalland crashes Linux so hard, and I am tired of trying every possible launch option command and suggestion to get it running. I don’t know if it uses a root kit but it does something that causes the whole desktop to freeze.
Smalland
On protondb it has Platinum status https://www.protondb.com/app/768200/. It should work atleast with steam and proton. If I’m not mistaken.
I thought so too, which is why I got it, but I have tried every suggestion in the protondb site and the steam forums and only got it to load the game one time before crashing the whole system, and this is running fedora 41, it freezes everything as soon as it loads. I’m sure I could check logs and prob try it again currently as I see proton-ge was recently updated, but I just moved on to a better game.
Then I’m sorry about your experience. Maybe it has something to do with the versions of programs/libraries specifically on Fedor’s distribution. If I have the opportunity, I could try to run this game, but I have Arch linux.
Hey thanks for your concern, I have been thinking of other distros but so far everything has been running fine on Fedora, if it comes about that a game I really enjoy becomes unplayable then I will start checking out Arch.
I know absolutely nothing about this game, and this comment might even come off as patronizing because of course you tried this… But if this is a game that has a Linux runtime, then Steam is going to default to that. In my experience, running the Windows version through Proton often works better… So I would double check that you’re using proton in the “compatibility” page in the per-game settings.
Also, if you haven’t yet, I’d try Proton-GE as that will sometimes work while regular Proton doesn’t.
Probably just a waste of time, but just in case you hadn’t tried yet…
I don’t feel that this is patronizing as I would be suggesting the same to someone who said they were having issues. I have tried the latest proton, the hot fix, the glorious egg roll version and several beta versions, and it’s that one game that crashes Linux.
If push comes to shove you can still try to run it using virtualization
If it doesnt work on Linux I aint buying. Fucking manchilds without self respect.
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This has been a common mode of discourse since the 90’s.
Who cares.
Folks that’re going to use Linux already are. Folks that are curious about it are trying it, and occasionally they post asking for help. Everybody else is using what they use and has no interest in changing.
This made me never want to try Linux.
Who cares tbh
The thing is that the privacy, speed, usability and configurability are so much better, it’s only you that’s missing out by making a statement like that. I’m sure it makes no difference to OP.
I switched in April and I cannot believe I was missing out on this for so long.
Fair enough, and who knows, maybe I will try it, I like open source and everything. It’s just op’s attitude was unappealing to say the least.
Yeah, I agree that OP’s attitude is unappealing. But it’s not like OP is an official spokesperson or ambassador for Linux or anything like that. It’s just a person giving their opinion. And in any large group of people there’s always going to be some that you don’t agree with. (and often they are the loudest most visible ones…)
And my comment was more to comment on the attitude rather than Linux itself.
I, too, make decisions based on what a random internet stranger’s attitude towards a thing is.
Nah I’m pretty sure OP is seething and they’re living in their head rent free.
They wouldn’t have typed an entire wall of salty, griping borderline man baby text if these users didn’t bother them. They clearly do.
That’s true.
Im Sure you think this is some sort of a ‘gotcha’ statement but I don’t really care, I’m more annoyed at people who wouldn’t even try but say that they will
Yeah, it’s a piss baby attitude. Why do you care if they don’t?
Because they act like they do care
Or maybe they just say they will try it to get you to stop badgering them about Linux
I always find it puzzling when adults act like “You told me to do a thing so now I don’t want to do it” or “You said a thing that’s true, but in a way that made me feel bad so I refuse to accept it”. What’s going on in there?
Related question, do you think in words or feelings? Some people have a whole inner monologue, and some people do not. Some people think in pictures, or just wordless impulses.
It’s less of a knee jerk reaction of insolence against some perceived authority to rebel against, and more that I found the demeanor and entitlement of the post to be so utterly repugnant that I was put off. “You said you’d use Linux and didn’t how dare you”. It’s like a toddler throwing a tantrum over people whom may not exist.
As for your related question, the subtext is that you are accusing me of being an unthinking person who reacts only out of emotion, and I don’t particularly care for that, nor do I have any reason to tell you my internal mental processes, so I decline answering it.
It’s like a toddler throwing a tantrum over people whom may not exist.
Sure… But your reaction was also childish and irrational.
A little bit of the pot calling the kettle black…
It’s a little calculated, but probably wouldn’t get picked up on by people.
You did come off as someone who reacts only on emotion, since that’s all that was visible in your previous post.
Being put off by the delivery of information is not typically a good reason to dismiss it. If someone says to you “3 is a prime number you donkey” you’re hopefully not going to reject that because they were rude. I mean, we all do that to some extent, but it’s a pretty sloppy shortcut.
Since we’re talking about how people come off, you come off as one of those people who like to think they are logical and rational but are very dismissive of emotions (of others) and come off as condescending, because you are. You’re also probably pedantic.
So, to appeal to your rational side, just because a decision is based off of emotion doesn’t inherently invalidate it. If someone said “3 isn’t a prime number you donkey” and you got mad and argued that it was, you’re still correct even if the way you got to that conclusion wasn’t rational.
It’s probably a variation of ad homonym but I’m not going to bother to look up the specifics.
I think people over value emotions, but I realize I’m part of people too and it happens to me. Emotions are a fast heuristic but they’re not very inaccurate. They’re good for when speed is important, or when more information isn’t available. Neither is true on an async post about Linux. But yes, I can be dismissive of emotions but it’s something I’m working on.
I’ve seen too many people make strange, unhelpful, decisions because like “someone told me to do something and now I won’t” or “that guy was rude so I’m not going to listen”. That’s what your post felt like to me. (Note the emotional dimension there, heh)
Like, imagine a friend who always forgets their plans, is late, and double books themselves. You probably can’t just be like “use a calendar, dude”. You probably have to gently massage them and incept the idea. If you just tell them, they’ll feel bad, reject the idea, and continue having problems. (In real life, some months later the friend did come around to using a calendar, but only after uselessly wrestling with feeling bad)
