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That article reads like a ChatGPT summary, though I’m not sure if that’s partially due to translation from German or not.
you can feel their liberation. thanks, US. good guys btw.
Approximately 0.1 years out of 3 billion years, truly a crisis. Precisely what people occupied themselves with for 3 billion years before the internet existed we may never know. Some claim they spent quite considerable time as single cell organisms, then multicellular aquatic organisms, until the species reached it’s apogee, a flabby orange real estate pedo fraudster.
Survival of the fittest, but unfortunately for all things earthly, for a brief period of time the fittest inexplicably turned out to be an orange blob of shit, jeopardizing any further evolution for all species.
Survival of the fattest
That’s a stupid time frame. Wouldn’t be so bad except nearly everything relies on the Internet now. Especially information.
One thing that seemingly doesn’t rely on the internet is Iran’s masterful ability to make the American bullies look criminally stupid. It’s already hugely impressive, imagine what they could do with a bit of WiFi.
lots of prepper fetishist weirdos in this thread who seem to think anyone who thinks electricity, plumbing, and internet is normal are ‘weak’.
because apparently if we were ‘strong’ we would all be hunting animals and coking their carcasses over fires and sleeping outside… and communicating via smoke signal… lol
Can I coke with you?
ITT: people posting on the internet about something they found out about from the internet saying that an authoritarian regime shutting down the internet because the people under that regime were using it to coordinate resistance efforts is not so bad
sorry, i’d take y’all a lot more seriously if you were having that conversation over ham radio
For future reference, any time you want to coordinate some sort of resistance or even protest, the leadership should get on Meshtastic, MeshCore, or some other equivalent. Encrypted mesh communication over radios. The radios are fairly inexpensive starting at around $40.
absolutely. you need to own the infrastructure of the network
And the fact that it’s a mesh so theoretically it should be easy to avoid a single point of failure. If one person with one gets arrested or otherwise silenced, the network stays up. Probably need a way to rotate keys though.
So, there is some good in a bad situation.
I think the US president threatening to wipe the entire country of Iran off the map is a bigger story.
when authoritarians fight, the people lose
Just wanna state that this has been going on since before US involvement. Two dictatirs fighting each other…
Fuck heise
Reddit just banned me for a harmless comment…and I’m pissed… anyone wanna talk about this?
You’re not alone. I got banned for wishing a missile strike on Putin…
noooo you got banned for calling for war crime?
First time?
Reddit sucks. They have “bent the knee”.
I lived half of my life without the internet. They’ll probably be happier.
Well, they’re kinda busy right now getting bombed so I don’t think it’s a priority now.
Like, sure, at first the blackout was due to repression, yes. But then after a while these two countries started bombing the crap out of Iran, so now it’s a slightly different situation.
Let’s imagine you have two crackheads smashing your front door: are you gonna be worried about fixing the internet at that very moment?
The Internet might just be the only way to call for help.
The Internet isn’t broken it’s turned off
The reason its turned off was because of protests.
Protests armed by the US, per Trump
But now they get to blame the US for everything.
What does my second sentence say, friend?
What does their first sentence say, friend?
What does panda_abyss last letter of their first sentence + second letter of the second to last word of their first sentence + the third letter of the third to last word of their second sentence + the fourth letter of the fourth word of the first sentence say, friend?
feck?
“terned”?
you guys are aware trump has already admitted to arming dissidents over there, right?
They always do this untill they decide to turn on them.
And if there’s one thing you can rely on: we aaaaalways turn on you.
Unless you’re Israel.
mujahideen flashbacks
Remember when we armed “Syrian Rebels” and then a few years later had to go and fight a suspiciously well armed ISIS?
you guys are aware he’s a serial liar that can’t be trusted?
that’s a common us strategy though.
Lying about fuckin’ everything? Agreed.
AND sponsoring color revolutions and rebels everywhere, yes, both are really common.
color revolution
Oh god.
yes, it’s quite awful.
At this point, the shutdown might even be strategic, to make it more difficult for the us to gather leaked information
…and keep US propaganda and tech Oligarchs out. Any nation that doesn’t control its information borders, risk ‘regime change’ by the US regime…
Or the Russian regime. Or at this point the combination.
Would your country like to join the Internet borg?
hybrid warfare baybee! the northern empires are real good at it! it’s just mass media manipulation from the 1930s only this time again
Gives the regime a nice scapegoat to help turn the protestors anger at the US and external factors.
The smart thing would have been for the US to quietly back the revolution and provide them with support to overthrow the regime. But here we are.
Trump said they tried this by routing them weapons through the Kurds and the Kurds just kept the weapons.
Weird, I wonder why the people Trump left to die less than a decade ago don’t want to help him out??
“i gave weapons to people desperately fighting for survival to give to people desperately fighting for survival. when the didn’t enact my vision, i threw a tantrum”
what a fuckin’ loser
Art of the Deal ladies and gentlemen!
Hey! Whoa! That’s not fair to claim that trumps book and the bussiness style employed in that book relates to this situation! That’s totally an unfair thing to say! After all, the guy who wrote that book has nothing to do with the way trump does bussiness!
it likely wont happened as they likely quashed the protests with tons of executions, plus they can just turn of the internet to prevent them from organizing further. they did with the murder of the little iranian girl years ago, there wasnt significant pushback since.
Do we know it was actually Iran who shut it down or whether it was the US or Israel who did it instead?
It would be very odd if the US or Israel did it, because this started when Iran wanted to stop communications among citizens who were protesting the government.
TL;DR, yes. It was Iran. It began before the attacks on Iran (back when it was Iran attacking its own people)
It began before the attacks on Iran
Not true. Iranian people have been attacked by murderous US+EU sanctions killing tens of thousands of them every year for decades now. The protests were literally engineered by the US as a form of justification for the war, look at Iranian Rial exchange prices on the months before the protests. Hell, Trump literally admit a few days ago to sending weapons to the “protestors”.
Sure, and Iran isn’t under a regime now, right? They shut down the internet because they didn’t like what was said over it.
“Under a regime” lmao you should read a bit
Read what, only the news sources that don’t talk about Iran’s deeds, or all the other ones?
“Regime” literally means “government”, it’s just a propaganda word to make it sound scary. You could perfectly correctly speak of the “American regime” imprisoning ethnic minorities or the “German regime” forbidding military-aged men from leaving the country without permission, the fact that you unironically use “regime in Iran” as if it were something intrinsically negative proves that your whole understanding of this is vibes-based. If you care about Iranians, riot in your EU/US homeland to destroy the economic sanctions, which MURDER HALF A MILLION people YEARLY over the globe since 1975 per the latest The Lancet publications.
Bla bla, don’t try to “potato tomato” me, you know well what a regime is or you wouldn’t be upset at me calling it that. Funny that you are more worried about the economic sanctions, and not the repression, incarceration and execution of protesters… go spread your propaganda elsewhere.
Iran’s government has done plenty to deserve those sanctions. War is wrong no matter which side does it, and Iran is very guilty.
I wish you and your family never have to go through the “deserved sanctions” of the USA and EU, which together murder half a million people yearly since 1975 per latest medical research. I’m sure you don’t believe US citizens should starve to death for the actions of their government.
saddly nobody has found a better option. Iran has had particularly evil leaders for decades. (Why is interesting history itself - but not relavant to today)
saddly nobody has found a better option
I guess all Yanks should be starved for choosing the wrong president? Or is that something you reserve to nonwhites?
Or you can make war and kill innocents. Or you can turn your back and watch them kill innocents.
there are other variations, but I have yet to see an option that isn’t awful.
If you read the article you’d know it was the Megatron-led Decepticons.
Considering Iran shut the Internet off before the us/Israel attacked due to protests, I’m not sure we’ll ever know…
I’ll translate the other guy’s comment;
Israel and the US attacked because they were basically handed a golden opportunity in a world where they search for opportunity. The top governmental officials were present within the same room, confirmed by their intelligence officials, and during a vote for the next supreme leader. By attacking then, both the current government would be inept for days to weeks, and a new government would have a shoddy transition of power.
Tl;Dr: the goal is a long, drawn-out war. I realized after writing this whole thing out, It’s totally a tangent you didn’t mention, but fugget I’m not gonna let it go to waste.
Now, here’s the opportunity in that opportunity: A “short victory” is not the goal, this is a resource war. Venezuela was effectively captured by the US, Hegseth has stated intents to revitalize the Americas as the ‘American sphere of influence’ (paraphrased), Iran is unable to export significant oil, and with that goes most of the middle east’s production through the closed strait. This disproportionately favors the US, Russia, and Canada for oil production. Trump previously pushed his “51st state” agenda on Canada, and Russia is cutoff from trade with much of the world due to sanctions. This has the US in a position where it disproportionately benefits from having the Strait of Hormuz closed, and the longer it goes, the more reliant countries get on the US for energy.
As to why it happens now, Trump is in power, and the current admin understands the developed world is slowly becoming more energy independent without the need for oil (alternative energy). This explains why the narrative is maintained that “green energy doesnt work,” while Europe actively sees progress and positive outcome with it. It’s not about what’s best for the American people he speaks to, it’s more oriented around what he wants to leverage in the current state of global affairs.
before the us/Israel attacked due to protests
Israel and the US aren’t attacking due to the protests. They’re attacking because Israel wants to be like Nazi Germany leading up to the world wars and the US wants to help them.
I question whether Iran actually did this because it seems like an extremely convenient timing of events that almost perfectly mimics the “WMDs” the media harped on about for weeks before we invaded Iraq almost like they’re following the exact same playbook used in that illegal invasion.
Iran shut it down. They were cear about that-
You know, i think i might learn how to set up ad hoc networks to prepare for this sort of thing. I know its essentially wartime there now, but without internet, its harder to transmit the truth from the eyes of the civilians. Fucking sucks whats happening there. Repressive government, but filled with people who simply want a life free of the conflict, the endless battles, various ethnic groups simply wanting freedom from those who have invaded and partitioned their people.
This cant end well. . .
They can track signals of said adhock networks. It’s unfortunately not that good preparation
would WPA3 and pre-shared keys not be enough? If every endpoint is scanning for malware, using host based firewalls, monitoring access logs and activity, it could be possible no?
They can physically track signals man. It’s not about malware, it’s about psychically knowing the location of the node
FYI, the old Linksys 54Gs can TRX packet radio over HAM frequencies.
couple it up with a LORA wan and you would have a pretty robust communication network.
… longest in world history
the world history have appear to forget that the longest there was without internet was literally a few billion years.
They probably had internet in Atlantis, or something like it, so that would be a shutdown of like 20,000 years or so before it was invented again.
Wow you are very smart
Don’t be a pendant, you know what they fucking meant.
Edit: actually, it’s not even pedantic, it’s just wrong. Before the internet existed, there was never an internet shutdown.
Akshually, they have Internet, it’s just turned off.
The Internet and infrastructure didn’t exist for billions of years, so they couldn’t be without something that didn’t exists
So you’re saying, I am not without a massive penis? I can’t wait to tell my wife.
Be sure to record her laughter!
Pretty sure North Korea does not have internet.
They absolutely have internet.
It’s just state controlled. So basically a national child safety lock. But they 100% have access the internet.
Would they be able to also block or detect i2p traffic?
I2P traffic isn’t that difficult to detect or block, mainly because bootstrapping a node requires connecting to known reseed servers. They can block those reseed servers and your node would never be able to connect to the network.
A nationwide intranet isn’t internet.
They do not. They have intranet. No access to oversea servers.
Some may do, but that’s obviously not for 99% of people.
It does but not for ordinary citizens. And it wouldnt be a shutdown since the Internet isn’t normally available.
Oh they certainly do and pop up in our hosting logs. The main one is a /22, so not very large at all, like a small ISP
Certain people in Iran also can access the internet to hack Western infrastructure, etc.
By your logic Iran’s internet hasn’t been blacked out either because politicians there can still post announcements on Twitter.
We weren’t talking about Iran? All infrastructure is hacked on a daily basis, weird propaganda post though.
What else are you pretty sure about?
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