• CandleTiger@programming.dev
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    1 year ago

    It’s a little late now that there’s camps, sure. If people had refused harder to put up with shitty democrats in the past, like… decades past… then the dems would’ve lost to past republicans who weren’t quite dictators.

    In that alternate past where the dems actually lose for being center-right corporatists, they would’ve had to get some kind of spine or plan or… something… earlier to protect our public news and education from authoratarian misinformation and maybe prevented this bullshit.

    In this current world that we actually have though… I mean you saw we elected Biden, right? And you saw how much good that did – right? We need somebody on our side with some teeth and rolling over for milquetoast donation collectors is not going to get it for us.

  • Gravitywell.xYz@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    Its mostly solid blue state leftists who refuse to vote dem. Them voting would literally make no difference at all in the national outcome, and when it would have mattered in primaries the democrat party decided they knew better anyway.

    Unless you think all the people vocally refusing to vote dem are in swing states, your problem is with the rigged primary and electoral collage system, not leftist in places like california who dont want to support team blue.

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      Its mostly solid blue state leftists who refuse to vote dem.

      That presumes a level of rationality in the electorate which is extremely questionable by the practical results we repeatedly see. Not helped by the fact that many of those who refrained from voting in swing states in 2024 did so, by their own admission, on the strength of left issues and the insufficiently left leaning of the Dem candidate.

      Them voting would literally make no difference at all in the national outcome,

      For a group that constantly goes on about the importance of abstaining from voting as a means of delegitimizing the results of an election, they don’t seem to realize, by your characterization, the value of the importance of demonstration of an overwhelming popular vote defeat of the ‘winning’ candidate as delegitimizing the results of an election.

      and when it would have mattered in primaries the democrat party decided they knew better anyway.

      What.

      Unless you think all the people vocally refusing to vote dem are in swing states, your problem is with the rigged primary and electoral collage system, not leftist in places like california who dont want to support team blue.

      Fucking Christ, I don’t know how many times I have to say this, but there can be more than one problem at once. Yes, really!

  • chunes@lemmy.world
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    I’m getting pretty tired of people victimizing themselves to such an absurd level while people are actually dying because they’ve been kicked off medicaid.

  • rottingleaf@lemmy.worldBanned
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    1 year ago

    There’s that story about a boy who cried “wolf”.

    Unless you literally mean “being put in camps”, you shouldn’t use this as a metaphor for less dangerous events.

    Also … why do you even think it would be better otherwise. A reminder - the other mainstream option was that party that didn’t even care about picking a popular enough candidate. Almost a kingdom inside the nation. They literally imitated Idiocracy, thinking that’ll be popular.

    Anyway, as someone in Russia - I both appreciate that you over there still have some democracy and wish for you to see the fake parts of it as early as possible.

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    If you didn’t vote or voted 3rd party, I put you in the same group as MAGAts.

    You’re just as dumb. But it’s even more disturbing because you shouldn’t be.

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    They’re currently one Adderall fueled tweet away from being locked in cages, the electoral loss has already occurred.

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    1 year ago

    ITT: A bunch of people who think getting Trump elected was the right thing to do, because harm reduction is bad.

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    1 year ago

    “Democrats talking about how they totally have to keep backing a genocide, bombing kids, torturing innocent people, screwing over their voter-base, voting the way their rich donors tell them to, in order to win elections”

    “Trans people in the US who are 1 electoral loss away from being put in camps”

    Fixed that for you

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      Hey guess what? More than one actor can be at fault at once! Yes, really!

      But you lot refuse to put any blame on those poor, innocent non-voters who just wanted a little holsum fascism for accelerationist reasons 🥺

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        1 year ago

        No, I blame the voters that chose this, and the politicians who ran on it, not the ones that voted against it.

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          not the ones that voted against it.

          I never expected you to be such a supporter of Harris voters!

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            That’s because you’ve never been interested in my views. You seem to be only interested in taking cheap shots, instead of understanding.

              • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                You’re unbearable. No wonder Lemmy.world defederated from the other socialist spheres on Lemmy. Y’all have a bubble that you need kept intact.

                Let me guess, you don’t endorse Zohran Mamdani?

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                  On the contrary, I adore Mr. Mamdani.

                  But I guess someone thinking that supporting genocide is bad even if you do it while pinky-promising you’re a leftist is confusing for someone who bootlicks campist instances that play apologist for the Uyghur and Ukrainian genocides.

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                1 year ago

                But you were sarcastically correct, because you would rather make things up and yell at people, than fully understand their position, genius

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                  1 year ago

                  I see I’ll have to explain this in simpler terms.

                  I’m pointing out that the only people who voted against fascism were Harris voters, not the non-voters you’re asspatting.

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          "I can’t believe the US is giving bombs to Israel! 😤

          Time to elect the guy who will send American jets to run sorties on Palestine for Israel directly! 😊"

          Christ, you lot would’ve sat on your asses during WW2 because “The British Empire is bad too!” as Hitler genocided all the minorities he wanted in Europe.

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            I didn’t elect him. In fact, I very proudly voted against that PoS. But please, keep making up facts about me. That sounds super productive, and will totally get me to vote for the genocidal, child-killing party next time around.

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                  Yeah people might be in camps, but at least you have your feeling of moral superiority. Yay you!

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                  No, I very proudly voted against that PoS as well

                  So not only was I correct in saying

                  Christ, you lot would’ve sat on your asses during WW2 because “The British Empire is bad too!” as Hitler genocided all the minorities he wanted in Europe.

                  But your whinging about

                  That sounds super productive, and will totally get me to vote for the genocidal, child-killing party next time around.

                  Is pointless because you were never going to vote Dem anyway, since you couldn’t even bring yourself to vote Dem even for the sake of opposition to the genocide you supposedly care so much about and against literal Nazis.

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        As a trans person, how dare you use my people’s name to justify genocide. Most trans people saw right through that shit, as they realized that a party that was willing to sacrifice one minority group on the pyre would be willing to do so to another. And…well…that’s exactly what happened. The same corporate Dems that enabled genocide are now tripping over themselves to eagerly join the rollback of the rights of trans people.

  • lemmingrad@thelemmy.club
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    Sorry are civilians carpet-bombed in america? Are they throwing white phosphorus at your family? How can you play the victim lmao