Friendly reminder that Facebook started as FaceMash, an app for men at Harvard to rate the attractiveness of women.
Both are bad. At least these women are nominally using it for safety and not just looks rating.
Finally, I would be really darn cautious of using any app like FaceMash or Tea. Seems like a great way to get sued for defamation. Or to become the target of escalated behavior of one of the bad ones.
I know one of the false electors from the 2020 election. They met their wife on Hot or Not.
viral aka. gossip. some can’t get enough
So how this app work? Women take pics of men they see in public then rate them? Can someone explain how this keeps women safe?
More like women can create a profile for men in their lives, and other women can share their experiences with that man. It’s sort of a publicly sourced Burn Book. It was apparently started because the creator’s mom had some bad dating experience, and basically lamented about how there wasn’t a good way for women to share stories about the men they’ve dated. Like “wouldn’t it be nice if women could stick red flags to a dude, to warn his potential partners in the future?”
So if a dude is an abuser, his victims can create a profile for him, where other women can share their experiences too. If a dude cheats, he can be put on blast for other women to see. It’s basically an “is anyone else dating this man” local Facebook group, but much larger and more in-depth.
There are some ethical concerns about it, especially regarding potential abuse; There’s nothing stopping an abusive woman from wrecking her ex’s future dating life by lying about him. But the women using the app basically say that the potential safety in dating outweighs the potential for abuse.
the women using the app basically say that the potential safety in dating outweighs the potential for abuse.
Of course they do, they’re getting safety and somebody else is getting abuse.
“wouldn’t it be nice if women could stick red flags to a dude, to warn his potential partners in the future?”
Nope. Personal bias and people change.
I have no personal experience with the app at all, so what I am about to say comes from things I heard, or inferences I’ve made about the app - but…
I see the merit of an app like this for keeping people safe, but have no idea how it could be used without any possibility of it being abused.
On the face of it all, basically, if a man is abusive or in any way dangerous, or raises “red flags” for women, this app can help other women be aware. Lots of narcissistic assholes come across as lovely people at the start, but by the end are abusive people. My wifes ex husband, is one example, of a psychopathic narcissist. If only we could utilise an app like this to let other women know just who he is, and what to watch out for…
On the other side of it, of course, it’s all too easy to say someone is abusive or dangerous to defame or isolate that person. Women have the ability to be just as abusive as men. An abusive woman may use this app to make other women in their community scared of/avoidant of a man who isn’t in any way a danger to anyone.
Basically, my understanding of the app is that it allows women to give information about men they know and have dated, so other women can get a sort of background check on said men
But this, of course, could easily be misused and abused.
The app also required photo ID to prove you were a woman using the app, which recently was breached and ALL of the ID that was submitted is now viewable by anyone. So… yeah
Kinda wild that app stores allow something like that. I wonder how long it’ll take for someone to build the same up, but with the roles reversed: Men anonymously talking about local women 😬
Of course they would. It’s only allowed as long as the genders aren’t flipped.
There was a forum in the Benelux that did exactly that and they had to shut down.
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In theory it should be fine the problem is women always assume bad intent on the part of men, and good intent on the part of other women despite a fairly obvious fact that that’s ridiculous.
The problem is there doesn’t seem to be any system in place for review or correction. What if there someone who just doesn’t like me and posts photos and lies about me? Not only would I have no opportunity to correct the record, but unless someone I knew who was on the app told me about it, I wouldn’t even know because men aren’t allowed on.
As someone who’s stayed away from creating accounts like Facebook the concept of being encouraged to share photos and real identities of people who haven’t consented to being on the social media site is really creepy to me.
Its like some random social media account shows up and you never signed up but a profile for you has already been made and has all these photos you never even shared on there because someone chose to upload them in your place.
I’d rather people choose not to associate with people who don’t have an account that has vetted on safety than be opted into something like this without choice.
Its like some random social media account shows up and you never signed up but a profile for you has already been made and has all these photos you never even shared on there because someone chose to upload them in your place.
Facebook literally does this, they just never let you see it, it’s internal for advertising purposes
That’s data collection versus an active public profile.
This is psychotic.
This is fucked up.
Tea just suffered a massive data leak
Gotta be a special type fuckbrain to give this app a photo and a copy of your gotdamn ID.
<sarcasm>Else how can you certify you are a woman ? We don’t want a man lurking around</sarcasm>
Yeah that’s what the article is about
What a weird place some societies have come to.
Using technology as a surrogate for community.
This kind of thing has been done before.
For example:
From the first one
One profile the New Times uncovered supposedly of a philandering ex-boyfriend was actually a gay man who had spurned a woman’s advances.
There’s no way a libel database could be a bad business model
If I was going to make something like this, it would have to incorporate trust chains. I don’t care if some maga-hat says this lady is horrible. I care if my good friend Alex says she’s horrible. One person’s “this person won’t shut up about communism” is a big red flag (no pun intended) but for someone else that’s the dream.
When you sign up, you’d need to be referred to someone or be a root node. Anyone connected to you can be weighted differently. If some section of the tree is misbehaving, prune it.
But that’s a lot of work
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It makes me super uneasy. I can easily see this type of model being expanded and applied to more and more things.
Call for a refund because something you ordered never showed up? Wrong trust chain, you’re automatically lying, refund denied.
Report someone for T-boning you? Wrong trust chain, you’re now arrested for hitting them.
Etc…
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It’s less about technology and more about evading accountability, I’d say. This would be a sort of cyberpunk version of “How dare you accuse the baron’s son of tipping your cows?! He’s a fine upstanding young man, so of course these accusations are groundless.”
I like where you’re going with this!
How did they not mention the ‘hack’ here?
There is a video in the article, where a a woman says “are we dating the same guy?”. Like women don’t date multiple men.
Apart form that, things never say secret, soon or later will come out.
Finally i have a way to explain my feeling about this. This is just yelp for people. Yet another attempt to rate people. Didn’t Candance owebs try to make something like this years ago but for reporting racists?
Is this what lemmy is about?
Thank God we have the GDPR in Europe.
I imagine there are whatsapp groups for things like this.
But I’m going to pretend they don’t exist because I already feel self-conscious enough.
Many states in the US have similar regulations. For example, California’s regulations are famously similar to GDPR.
What other states other than California has it?
If you think about it: The GDPR applies to all data of EU citizens regardless of where they are or where you are. There is no way that this app is not having some EU guy in New York in it and therefore totally in violation of GDPR
And what is the EU going to do about it? Governing bodies can declare extraterritorial laws all they want, but they are meaningless unless they have a way to enforce them.
No European law applies outside Europe. That’s kind of the nature of laws.
Other users have written about GDPR, but just FYI: There are a lot of laws that apply worldwide. You might not like it, but states really do have laws in place that they are applying to everybody in the world. Thailand has draconian laws about insulting their king and they totally do not care if you insulted him inside or outside of the country. They can’t arrest you whereever you are, but if you ever try to visit Thailand, you will get arrested. And many countries also have laws in place about stuff that their citizen do outside of the country.
Wrong. US citizen while in EU falls under GDPR. EU citizen while anywhere outside of EU falls under GDPR.
It is up to EU to enforce it.
That’s kind of the nature of laws.
That’s the big part of what makes GDPR so wide-reaching and impactful. It protects European residents, not European IP addresses. If you’re a resident of Europe, you’re covered under GDPR. Even if you’re visiting the US. That’s why even Americans get GDPR questions when visiting sites, because the site can’t just filter by IP location to determine whether or not you need to be shown the GDPR prompt.
Enforcement can be trickier, sure. But to be clear, GDPR does cover non-European companies as long as they’re interacting with a European resident.
The treaties and international laws between these countries absolutely allow the EU to enforce GDPR against companies and individuals outside of the EU if it involves an EU citizen as the victim. I know this because I have to work with it every day and I’m from the US.
