Yea that only happens because capitalism needs your parents to slave their ass off which can only happen if their kids go to school earlier than their already early starting job
Generally, I don’t think that applies to high schoolers. They can manage themselves in the morning. We should have their school start last
America also has some deep structural issues that children aren’t able to get to school by themselves. In Japan, grade school children are able to get to and from school by themselves in most of the country. In America, parents aren’t allowed to leave children unattended, and certainly aren’t allowed to let them go to school alone
Yep. Ours went from 0830 or so to 3:30. But it was a somewhat rural area, so if you took the bus you’d have to be on the bus by 0730-45, which means getting up at 0700 or so, and not getting home until after 4 pm. Then there was homework…
And god forbid you do a sport or have a job after school
I guess I never really thought about it. Although now that i have kids that are young, I have to get my kid on a 7:20am bus, which means im up at like 6:45am, every school day, and it sucks. Then I relax for another hour and a half before I start my work at 9 am, lol. I will say the only nice part of starting that early is that they are done by like 2:45 while I am still working until 5 or 6 pm.
In my 30s and I’m still mad about it.
Especially considering how much time at school was an absolute waste.
The world is spiraling out. I’m on the internet complaining about some idiot complaining about having to wake in the morning. For a few seconds, I genuinely thought I would have something to add to the conversation. Where is even the conversation?!
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For what it’s worth my health class consisted in no small part of a lady from the administrative office who may or may not of even been qualified as a teacher peddling her shit-ass politics.
Nevermind that I had also been up until 1am having a complete crying breakdown because the printer wouldn’t work for whatever assignments. And had only gotten home at 8pm due to extracurriculars running so late.
Half of what public school teaches is just tax-funded brainwashing programs
(Private religious schools are 100% pure brainwashing)
Could’ve gone to bed earlier.
Just dodge bro.
Skill issue
Pouting intensifies
I mean I didn’t do that either when I was a kid but it was my own fault because I definitely could’ve hah. Still guilty of staying up way too long occasionally.
Idk, I think society has an unhealthy view of “Could’ve”. It’s the whole crazy aspect of personal responsibilities and guilt while letting the world continue to plunder and corrupt society (like the recycling program pushes or in this case making it too difficult for children to sleep).
You didn’t sleep healthily, so why do you think you could’ve? Sure, one night you could change it up, but repeated possitve behavioral pattern changes as a youth? Very unlikely
Children have known risk/reward problems. Society demands you stay up and communicate with your peers, also demands we are interesting and have things we are interested in and spend time on. Everyone else stayed up and played/watched this thing so you’re left out if you don’t. You literally spent all day at school, homework, destressing after you get home, house responsibilities, meals, you would only have time left to go to bed. A young mind isn’t going to just resolve to getting that sleep without some irresponsible fun to be had (even staying up reading a favorite book would fall into this category so not something unrealistic for all of us to do).
I don’t wish to downplay it, but reminds me of the confusion some people have around depression. Yes, this person could totally change their life with some actions, that doesn’t get rid of the mental aspect and only pushes it further down the road. You need supporting infrastructure, routines, and allies to work on making changes. Doesn’t just come from “doing” and all.
edit: is-to be
I mean parents do play a role in it, they should at least try harder to make kids go to bed earlier and prevent using devices all through the night. Kids aren’t great at making responsible decisions but that’s what parents are for.
Or we consider them capable enough and then really are responsible for those decisions, can’t really complain about early mornings being abuse if they’ve made their own decision to stay up too late.
And god forbid your cicadian rhythm doesn’t align and you fall asleep in class.
You can get referred for a drug test because only high people fall asleep during the day.
I have always struggled with sleep onset insomnia. In an ideal world, I’d probably sleep from around 5 am until noon, and my best working hours are from 7pm until 11pm, without fail. Even when I am exhausted from forcing myself to get up early for an extended period, I’ll still perk up in the late evening, and struggle to sleep before 3am. This combined awfully with school.
I remember once that I was so exhausted, I literally fell asleep while walking, and I didn’t wake up when I hit the floor. What’s striking in hindsight is how little sympathy there was. I wasn’t accused of being a drug user, but there were plenty of comments about laziness, which is absurd given that I was obviously severely exhausted.
A friend was the primary carer for a disabled relative, and this required her to get up at 5am each day, and to get up during the night to administer medication. She would often fall asleep in class, and she frequently got detention for this (which she would then often need to skip, to ensure she could get home in time to pick up siblings from school). Speaking with her years later, she lamented that if teachers had been more sympathetic and actually tried to understand what was going on here, it might’ve led to there being formal support to care for her relative. The amount of work she was doing was absurd for anyone, let alone a 13 year old, but she didn’t know this, let alone that there were support channels to help young carers like her.
I had a friend trauma & sleep psychology profesor visiting; she said improvement of school performance with better scheduling was proven in few real life (cross-sectional?) studies.
You can get referred for a drug test because only high people fall asleep during the day.
Let me guess: Murica’ ?
Yeppp
Hey what’s wrong with going to bed at 8pm
My mom don’t get home until 9pm most days from her second job. Sometimes later. My dad was a truck driver so I barely saw him. No one really taught me to take care of myself so I was stuck eating tv dinners most of the time. In that scenario going to sleep at 8pm is damn near impossible.
Well, when you get out of your after school activities around 1700-1800 hours, and then have to spend another hour or two, minimum, on homework and projects, and then want to have a little bit of socializing and play squeezed in after the required time spent with family…
Yeah, good luck with that 8pm thing.
The solace of burgling some joy out of life for the day despite its inevitable cost for tomorrow? I thought we all knew this
You can’t cause delinquency if you’re too busy getting 8 hours of sleep.
I had to take bus at 6:00 in high school…
https://doi.org/10.1038/s41582-025-01106-6
Abstract: “Aspects of modern society, such as artificial lighting and rigid schedules, create ‘social jetlag’ — a mismatch between biological chronotypes and societal demands. This circadian misalignment particularly affects evening chronotypes, leading to sleep deprivation, mental health issues and physical disorders. Flexible schedules and environmental modifications could restore natural sleep patterns and improve well-being.”
