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Americans in a few years: “Best I can do is ecofascism.”
Finally, this is the first time I saw this graph that DIDN’T use logarithmic scale for time - which makes this sharp spike look “natural”.
I look at this graf, and I really feel like, it’s so sudden that you can’t really stop this at a human level. Human are curious adventurous and like confort and enjoy surviving. As soon as we started using coal and gaz,it was too late. We would probsbly need to renounce everything to have a slightly better outcome. So clearly, people don’t give a shit anyway.
We can stop at a human level if we decapitate the rich and powerful.
It’s a lot harder because humanity got so used to the comfort of burning fuel for power
When covid stopped everything the noise in the oceans and cities decreased so much the animals started singing again. Dolphins returned to Venice, whales to New England harbors, the environmental impact of those years was significant. We are capable of adapting quickly and making huge impact, covid showed us that’s it’s just an unwillingness on the part of the ruling class. It can be done, we’re just told “small, incremental change is best” (neo-lib bs enshrining short-term profits). Kill the industries, pay the people via social safety nets, federal jobs program to build better stuff, public projects, public ownership. Public money made most things but the people in power transferred all that tech and IP into private hands.
I think that’s what pushed me into absolute nihilistic depression. We CAN do something and we can do it right now, but we’re choosing not to.
This is my boomer dad whenever he complains about it being extremely hot in the summer, cold in the winter, too much rain, etc. Always responds well it won’t last too long and that’s just nature, nothing we can do about it because it has a mind of its own.
Sure but right now is arguably worse. To say they ignored this while we are basically ignoring Trump destroying America is the same thing. People are so dependent on their jobs most people don’t have the means or the time to quit their jobs and protest.
Fortunately for them, I flushed my kids.
Need graph source. Who had the thermometer in 12000 BC
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Thanks! Going down the rabbit hole now
Imagine there was no industrial revolution or fossil fuel bonanza.
World population, please?
Standard of living, please?
Typing on the internet?Covid was sent by time travelers as a last ditch effort to stop climate change.
Typical copes:
“It’s ONLY 4 degrees… that’s not very hot! Liberals are blowing this out of proportion.”
“Since 100% of climate change can’t be attributed to human activity, what’s the point in trying to change our behavior?”
“The spring was unusually cool… so much for global warming!”
“I’ll be dead by the time this matters, so who cares?”
“I don’t live by the ocean, so a rise in sea levels is nothing to worry about.”
“The ice caps are actually getting LARGER! Liberals are just making all this up.”
“Do you REALLY think they kept weather data back 150 years ago? Certainly that’s propaganda.”
I don’t know why people are so against trying to do something. I’d like to think if it was scientifically proven that people had 0% to do with changing climate that we STILL should try to do something. It always made no sense to me as just to dismiss it as some kind of “natural change” in the Earth that we shouldn’t oppose.
My parents believe we’re in the end times and god will return any day now. They were mentally ill from the get go. They are pure evil and don’t see the evil they are.
Go figure they’re also extremely obese and mostly immobile. They are sloths and glutens. They never took care of themselves and believe bullshit snake oil salesmen over their own children’s advice.
You can’t reason with the evil that is these fundamental cultists.
We might very well be in the end times and maybe AI will wipe us from the planet to prevent earth from becoming Venus.
The shopping realization for me is that I can’t find this kind of graphs online with my average ass searching skills.
I can find linear graphs from the last 200 years or log graphs from the last 2000, but not what is show in this picture. No ship average joes think it looks natural, I’m convinced no one sees this graph, they see the shitty confusing ones. I bet many people don’t have any idea what a log graph even is.
Do they ignore it? Yes but the only reason they ignored it was because…
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The oil industry (and other adjacent industries) did their best to make sure everybody doubted the science of climate change
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Governments (the U.S gov’t in particular) took the oil industry’s side and subsidized their ventures
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Libertarian think tanks (like the Heritage Foundation and ALEC) took money from Big Oil to misinform the public about climate change and its connection to fossil fuel burning.
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I was just thinking about the poor air quality today and yesterday here in the Midwest, and then I see this. I want to be hopeful we can change this in my lifetime, but I am also not optimistic.
Depends how old you are. I’m 47. It’s gonna far worse. The question is will my kids be the ones to say it’s bad enough? I don’t know. Maybe theirs.
Also it’s hilariously optimistic that this chart only thinks a 4 degree rise by 2100. Seems very conservative.
Personally speaking I’m investigating moving my family further north here in Canada to get ahead of the madness to come.
I am optimistic. I will get downvoted to oblivion, but I want to share what I honestly observe:
1. AI demand is driving huge investment in production of carbon-free energy at scale.
Yes, AI is sucking up all the immediate term cheap fossil-fuel energy while it can. But it needs more, so it’s driving carbon-free investment.
Immediate term with Small Modular fission Reactors (SMRs)
… and immediate term, multiple commercial fusion energy plants are being built.
2. Commercially viable carbon-free energy at scale is coming online in < 10 years
SMR is real, exists today, and just needs economies of scale … and stable regulation. AI datacenters are driving the orders now and even if MAGA cultists keep USA out a few more years, science-accepting countries will be investing in clusters of those, rather than coal plants, when they see working examples and so less risk.
The Fusion plants this decade will not be just prototypes, but plants that produce more energy as a whole than they take in, multiple times over, and ofc don’t produce nuclear waste. This is largely made possible by high temperature superconductors (which didn’t exist when ITER was built) and a demo plant fully online in 2027
Yes, AI is sucking up all the immediate term cheap fossil-fuel energy while it can. But it needs more, so it’s driving carbon-free investment.
Nah, this is the same nonsense lie cryptobros tried to peddle. Any energy used by AI is energy which could have been used for something more worthwhile, carbon-free or not. And most of it is far from carbon-free.
AI demand is driving huge investment in production of carbon-free energy at scale
I feel like AI companies are creating a large demand for energy no matter where it comes from, and feel like having some minor investments in potential carbon free energy is mainly a marketing ploy or something to point at if they ever get sued.
Immediate term with Small Modular fission Reactors (SMRs)
Tbh, the big problem with nuclear in america is that we don’t really have the federal power needed to actually coordinate and mandate the needed infrastructure for it. The US is so obsessed with state rights that we’re susceptible to nimby attacks and disputes at the local and State level governments.
To actually cut through the red tape, we’d have to empower federal agencies for a good reason for once, and I’m not very optimistic about our current political climate.
and immediate term, multiple commercial fusion energy plants are being built.
Yeah… I think it would be more accurate to say that fusion experimental sites are being built. Most nuclear engineers I’ve heard talk about fusion are still skeptical about fusion being viable in the next 20 years.
AI as it now stands gives me quite the opposite of hope. It’s only intended to enslave the working class and further transfer wealth to the top 0.01%, as is fusion.
Solarpunk gives me hope.
Well, maybe you aren’t aware of how it’s being used to design proteins to create therapies for pretty much… everything, from cancer to Crohn’s. Another 2-3 years before you see products in human trials.
Or how it’s revolutionized climate science and weather forecasting.
If all you see is the hype Grok images and SEO slop, it’s reasonable to reject the technology. But that would be deeply misguided.
I’m aware of the promises of AI, yes. LLMs are trash. Folding proteins is awesome. Nonetheless, it’s all controlled by the ultrawealthy, and that is THE problem today, which AI ain’t solving for us.
Economists are orgasming so fucking hard at this you wouldn’t beliee
That line is going UP, boooiiii!!!
Some economist did his calculations and came to the conclusion that climate change up to 4°C would only cost 0.1% GDP (or something else ridiculously small). Somebody else remarked that his calculations showed the same 0.1% at -4°C. There was a a kilometer of ice on the spot he was now sitting when it was last -4°C, and you’d think the influence on the economy of that would be a bit more than 0.1%.
