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The worst thing about Linux is its users
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My friend recently switched and I almost lost him from him desperately wanting to use Ableton. He switched to LMMS though and seems to have found more positive than negative from switching now.
Edit addition: If someone near me wants to switch then I’ll help them, I’ll even recommend it to them, but I’ll also let them know what things won’t work and what things would need to be switched when they do so.
Of course none of that will stop me from getting a little smile when a Windows user complains about Windows in any form
I don’t want Linus Torvald spying on me through my computer, either! /s
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gcrowdstrike bricks my machine faster and more efficiently than the closed-source version
About 15 years ago I gave Linux a try, liked it and showed it to my wife who is less technical than me. She said she found it nicer than windows so I put it in the common computer and never looked back.
You can find as many excuses not to use Linux as I can give you reasons and solutions to try it… at the end of the day, try it, don’t try it, it’s your decision and you get to live with the consequences of those decisions. Me evangelizing about Linux is just as painful as hearing Window users complain about it yet unwilling to do anything but whine about it
If you do give it a try and have an issue, there are plenty places to get help for Linux better than the MS forums, this is undeniable.
Also, notice Windows is like bumper cars while Linux is like the entire vehicle fleet of the world, you want to drive a tank, you got it… wanna drive a super car, got it… wanna drive a hot air balloon that moves on good wishes, Linux has one distro just like that… you probably should not learn to drive in a Ferrari when you are late for work, choose a beginner friendly distro and move on from there at your pace if you feel like it
This. To many people who “just want to use” a computer, the OS in the background won’t make much of a difference, but linux makes it easier for the one maintaining it.
Lots less of us maintainer types than user types. User types like to pay for someone to fix it and buy a new one when that fails. There’s no enlightening them. When more pc’s come as Linux from the store and there is better support for a unified installer the real uptake won’t happen.
As someone who considers themselves a “Linux-evangelist” and has run it exclusively on my devices for years, I really despise that the goto method for recruiting others is to shit on other OSs and claim that Linux beats them all. Whilst you’re not wrong and all your arguments are true, nobody wants to listen to that.
The most succesful campaigns I have seen has been to gently introduce people to Linux and let them play around with it. Alot of people really just liked it, but where more open to adopt since they arrived at the conclusion on their own, instead of being force-fed it.
I think it highly depends on the person. I have never been a ‘brand loyal’ type person. It was very likely Linux users clowning on Windows and OS X that got me interested enough to check it out.
I do believe you though, some people even if you simply try to correct their misconceptions about Linux get super defensive. It’s like Stockholm Syndrome, but for OS’s.
The most succesful campaigns I have seen has been to gently introduce people to Linux and let them play around with it.
I think the Steam Deck is helping in this area. People turn on ‘Desktop Mode’ just to try it and see that it’s not some scary esoteric thing, but basically works just like Windows or Mac.
Just today I had to explain to a coworker how I grew to love Linux because I was hating Windows, I don’t hate Windows because I love Linux. And I don’t want to hate Windows, I wish they were slowly becoming anti-user, but they keep adding (forcing) features that are so unfriendly to the user.
I had to help someone figure out why their new storage drive wasn’t showing up, and it was because Windows has something called “Storage Spaces”, turning “unused” storage drives into a sort of virtual raid local One Drive. It’s a neat idea, but it hides the physical drive from File Explorer and Disk Management. That should be a feature you have to intentionally configure and enable, not something that can just happen automatically.
That is diabolical and gross. Definitely should be opt-in.
I give out live usbs like they’re candy (to friends who are Linux curious)
I wish I could, but my friends are too paranoid to plug anything I give them into their computer. I have shown of a bit too much of my fondness for homemade Rubber Duckies :3
Doc, it hurts when I do this…
It is taking me forever and a day to transition… but I hope this weekend I will finally install Linux mint on my laptop… get the hang of it. Then transition to using it on my big ass desktop.
Did you do it? :)
I tried. I had a problem. It wouldn’t boot from my flash drive. I remember having a problem to similar to this previously… I might need a new flash drive…
Edit: long answer… I am actually hauling my ass to do it now.
Props for seeing it through!
SUCCESS!
As of writing this comment, I have installed Linux Mint (cinnamon, latest version) on my desktop. I am in the process of updating stuff and figuring stuff out. I will need to make sure I can play all my games and do all the stuff I do before moving onto the big one: My ultra fancy desktop machine that I paid thousands upon thousands of dollars for.
The problem was the USB. A long time ago I had issues with my computer and I needed to reinstall windows from a USB drive. I learned that you can’t use any old USB and it has to be a decent USB. I ordered a new one (not expensive. It was very cheap, but it was a Sandisk) and it worked brilliantly. Now it is time to actually learn to use it properly!
Awesome!
I wasn’t aware that you can’t just use any old USB either. All I know of is a size minimum, because obviously all the data needs to fit. What other requirements are there?
It is weird, and I am not sure why it works or not. I noticed it years ago and I only remembered when my attempts were frustrated this time. I wish I knew what caused it or not. Basically what happens is when you try to boot from the USB, it shows the menu and all that, but it just doesn’t proceed. Like when I used my cheap-ass USB that I got from a dollar store (they no longer sell USBs there) it stalled at the linux mint start up logo. I gave it all the time it needed, but it just froze. When I used my brand new fancy Sandisk, it only took a few seconds to move past it. I will be using THAT USB for my desktop, but I have some backups to make before doing so.
And yes, I am writing this comment from my linux mint laptop. I finally will have more privacy on my comp.
For me, it’s simple, it’s gaming. As soon as I can run competitive online games on Linux, I’ll switch fully. Meanwhile, my non gaming computer runs Linux, but my gaming rig runs Windows.
Same. I have a gaming PC with Windows 11 only use it for gaming. Everything else, I do it on my laptop.
Nowadays games that don’t run are rare but they still exist. One of my favorite games, BF1, sadly stopped working on Linux after they introduced anti cheat (on the other hand, at least now there are no cheaters spamming artillery)
I also have a meta quest and the best software to link the headset to the PC, Virtual Desktop, sadly also doesn’t work on linux
At least for VR stuff, I find Linux to work pretty well with ALVR Streamer, which is basically an open source version of Virtual Desktop.
For anticheat, there are if course no real good solutions yet, for that, we just need better market share to pressure game developers.
Same. They’re not gonna get much out of my gaming setup either since it’s a debloated Windows 10 with everything disabled that I don’t strictly need and I’m not logged into anything except the game launchers I use.
What ones specifically? I don’t bother with them these days, I’m mildly curious because I’m lucky enough to haven’t really found anything I can’t run.
Squad.
On ProtonDB some people say they have it running with no issues. But there’s just as many saying they can either only run it with shit performance or can’t connect to servers / play online.
Squad works fine for me on Linux. Performance is no worse than it is on windows. I need to add a caveat that I haven’t tried the new UE 5 builđs of the game yet, so I can’t comment in that.
Enjoy getting fucked by the corporate rootkits. I hope your gaming PC is just for gaming.
I mean, there are only
twothree realistic options (four if you are that one BSD user):-
Either you use Windows and let Microsoft spy on you (or rely on unbloating scripts which might eventually break your OS and not even block all Microsoft spyware in the first place);
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You buy overpriced Mac computer, that might also spy on you, who knows;
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You use Linux.
Apple does spy on you, but unlike Google and Microsoft, they don’t sell your data.
But you still have to decide if you trust them with your info
Linux is the way to go* if you absolutely want to avoid any kind of spyware
*be mindful of the distro you choose. Some do have telemetry
If the telemetry is opt-in with a dialog window at first boot explaining why developers need telemetry, i don’t see the problem. It’s the difference between data freely given to help improve the system vs. data taken without consent to make you a better advertisement target.
edit: and i am pretty sure that the average FOSS-dev has way better ethics than the average microsoft data broker.
Apple does spy on you, but unlike Google and Microsoft, they don’t sell your data.
They are an American company though, so who knows how secure their data really is if a rich person decides they really want access.
Credit where credit is due, Apple did fight against FBI over something like this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple–FBI_encryption_dispute
Yes the company has been good about not just handing over customer data, but I was thinking more in terms of if the data was taken by force, like by a fascist government.
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They’re the best, they’re the worst. Like cuddling a hedgehog.
As a Linux user, I don’t really get it? What is the term supposed to signify? Why is the Linux dude in a well? I have so many questions
Everybody wants to complain about how bad things suck, and then just shrug and keep living with it.
Seriously, it sucks that Microsoft is an evil corporation spying on all Windows users. Nothing will change unless people start coming up with and using alternatives. This isn’t some fairytale where government regulation works in our favor, either. The only vote we have that matters to corporations is the choice to give them our money and data.
Linux has a learning curve, and there are some things that are frustrating at first. None of those things are more frustrating than having your personal computer ruled by the robber baron Bill Gates. Just my two cents. I am very intelligent.
I will say that there is a usability issue with some aspects of Linux. If you are not a sysadmin but want to use a computer for more than just browsing the web and sending email, you can get blocked pretty easily and the vast number of possible configurations out there makes troubleshooting way more difficult than on a windows or Mac machine.
There definitely is a usability issue, but it’s gotten insanely easier in just the 4 years I’ve been using it. Could you elaborate on what you mean by using a computer for more than browsing the web and sending email? My mind immediately goes to gaming, but I’m sure you mean other facets of PC use as well.
Well…gaming.
But also trying to use various apps that are more niche than browsers and office software.
For example, there is a creative writing app called Manuskript that doesn’t seem to install the same way if I’m using fedora and KDE or fedora and Gnome.
Or, I installed various distros on older Apple hardware and they don’t automatically mount a second drive that is present and detected, even after taking what should be the steps to auto-mount the drive at startup.
I suppose I’ve just been very fortunate with all my other software, but I haven’t had to jump through too many hoops to get stuff working.
I also generally just stick with 2 or 3 distros I know well, which has definitely helped usability. I’d imagine most casual users would do the same.
I’ll be honest, though. That shit is ready for gaming. I haven’t had real issues in games in years. Maybe a couple games display some reflections incorrectly, but I’m golden besides that. The only “problem” I’ve had is that a the anticheats for a lot of big, corporate, live-service games don’t support Linux. They could, if the developers wanted. I can actually play some official Microsoft games that use anticheat on Linux.
So like, Linux probably wouldn’t be good for you if you only play Call of Duty, but let’s be real: if you only play Call of Duty, you’re used to getting your teeth kicked in by the software company you stan. Keep on usin’ Windows, it’s just fine for your purposes.
Until you have a distro that has the “Please wait while we update your system, do not turn off your computer”, and “something went wrong, please contact” screens and actual customer support, Linux won’t be ready for prime time with the majority of users.
The majority of computer and phone users are used to their asses being wiped and their bottle being fed to them.
And as soon as daddy Cook, daddy Nadella, or daddy Pichai started shoving piss poor UI, exorbitant prices, invasive advertisements, and extreme privacy invasions far up their anus, they start to complain.
But lo and fucking behold, all you have to do to get them to stick some lube up there and beg for more is show them a Linux shell. What a fucking surprise.
I use arch btw
I mean, tbf, your other option is a violent takeover of the Microsoft corporation, complete with rifles and grenades and stuff, so like, by comparison “fucking install mint or fedora ffs” sounds a lot easier.
I mean yee I agree “microstof should just stop asshole,” but good fucking luck with that…
Finally, someone is starting to get a hint of what needs to happen with all those monopolies.
Right. Oh, I sue Arch btw.
What did Arch do to you?
:-(
What did Arch do to you? /j
They updated their graphics drivers and pipewire broke as a result
Wait, wait, wait. You’re blaming arch for Nvidia’s fuck up?
:-(
