I’ve seen a lot more people complaining about people complaining about American Eagle supposedly supporting eugenics than I have people complaining about American Eagle supporting eugenics
This sentence is upsetting for multiple reasons
Is this better?
It has come increasingly to my attention—through various social media platforms, conversations, and the general hum of the digital discourse—that there appears to be, quite paradoxically and somewhat disproportionately, a significantly higher volume of individuals expressing their frustration, disapproval, and/or bewilderment at the sheer number of other individuals who are themselves expressing outrage, concern, or condemnation over what is alleged to be, though perhaps not thoroughly substantiated in every case, American Eagle’s supposed alignment with or support of eugenics-related ideologies or policies, than there are individuals who are actually, directly, and unambiguously voicing said original outrage or concern over American Eagle’s alleged involvement in or endorsement of anything remotely connected to eugenics, thereby creating a situation wherein the meta-outrage—that is, the outrage about the outrage—has seemingly eclipsed the primary outrage itself, forming a surreal loop of discourse where the reaction to the reaction becomes more prominent than the inciting incident, which may or may not have even been widely observed in the first place.
In my defense it was like 1am when I wrote it and I was very sleepy
i don’t even like jeans, why would i care for superior ones
Not one race, nor any race is better, if you believe one race is above others, if you believe skin colour is predictive of anything, you are the inferior person over all others, because you are an idiot for believing bullshit. You’re not intelligent enough to get over propaganda.
“White” is sort of inferior as a concept of a race, because it’s not even a single race. Just whatever is convenient for racism. Sometimes, Jewish people are white, and sometimes they aren’t, for example.
Jewish people come from people who follow the religion, like ethiopian jews, who are persecuted and castrated in isreal, or arabic jews. There are a lot of different people in the world, being different ethnicities. Some jewesh people are white, some aren’t, based on the parents/cultures they are brought in.
There’s a clear sense in the general populace that whiteness is better, etc, and this is perpetrated from the eurocentric point of view, made for he whole world to “achieve”, even if it’s clearly bullshit, like indians (totally not because of the british (/s)) trying literally to wash their colours.
This doesn’t even make sense, because we’re all homo sapiens sapies, but who cares, some pieces of shit indoctrinated all societies with that crap to make more money (blacks and other ethnicities were seen as better at manual labour and violent, so it would be better to put them to work as slaves, not because of profit, but because of their inhereted bullshit i just invented).
Some jewesh people are white, some aren’t, based on the parents/cultures they are brought in.
That is simply not the way that “white” is used. The skin color is a convenient excuse, but being pale skinned is not ever sufficient to actually be white. For example, if you’re an albino child of black parents, very few people will consider you to be “white”. Similarly, there have been times historically where, if you’re ethnically Jewish, no matter how pale your skin is, you will not be considered white. Other times, they get to be white.
There are incredibly pale skinned Indian and Chinese people who, despite being whiter than most “white” people, would still be excluded from being “white”.
There is no definition of “white” that you can guarantee a person will be white simply by looking at their skin color. Skin color can only exclude people from being white.
My example included black jewish people (Ethiopian jews are NOT white in any sense of the word) and white jewish people.
There is no definition of “white” that you can guarantee a person will be white simply by looking at their skin color. Skin color can only exclude people from being white.
Exactly.
The point is that you said “Some jewish people are white”, but since we’re talking about the definition of “white”, that can’t be true. They aren’t white because they cannot be defined as white by looking at their skin color. If you simply meant “Some jewish people are pale skinned”, then I’ll just say that your phrasing was unintentionally misleading.
being pale skinned is not ever sufficient to actually be white
Slavs aren’t white, can you guess why? It has something to with the etymology of the word slave.
Race isn’t actually a thing, it’s a categorical method of sorting ethnicities into groups based on variable forms of bigotry.
No one can claim superior jeans
My jeans are pretty awesome. They’re actually durable, like good jeans should be. IDK what happened to Levi, but they suck these days. Don’t know my brand off hand… Something Bay, or whatever.
I have worn Levi for forever, and you aren’t wrong. They used to be great, but for many years now, they’ve been garbage. I gotta find a better brand.
American Eagle probably doesn’t make good jeans. They didn’t 20 years ago last i went in that store. I don’t see why saying someone has good genes is inherently racist though. That model from the ad is proportioned in a way that sells clothes or whatever. I don’t see how it’s different than saying a body builder that is symmetrical and well proportioned has good genes. No one thinks it’s racist to say Ronnie Coleman has good genes (and no one doubts it. ) Or LeBron James (whose son is also a pro athlete.) If AA had used a brown model the controversy would be the same except replace racist with great replacement. Outrage drives engagement and that sells pants. American Eagle is working hand in glove with Trump to distract from the disastrous economy and sex traffiking.
The language used on the ad isn’t racist.
Using language that sounds just like racist eugenics being told to viewers by a beautiful blond haired, blue eyed woman is a little suspicious or tone deaf.
They were just saying she has a banging body.
It seems more likely to me that they were making a euphemistic pun about her breasts. What do they have to gain by going mask off?
This already got them more attention than anything they’ve ever done before. I would say that it’s a net positive for them.
It is very much in character for white supremacists to claim innocence or do the “it’s just a joke bro” routine.
Totally agree on the second point. I wanted to say something along those lines in my original comment but couldn’t get the wording right. Maybe AA will end up with a reverse Budweiser situation where they lose the liberal urbanites and the conservative rural people don’t step in to save them.
I doubt the ad men are white supremacists or otherwise ideologically motivated here, they just want to maximize the impact of the ad because profits.
I’d say considering the camera literally pans down to her breasts when she says it, it is probably a boob joke.
My jeans are superior because they have thick, double-stitched belt loops and deep front pockets.
My genes on the other hand are a hot mess partially responsible for my lifelong suicidal depression. Thanks Mom.
africans were spared of the mongols as well, and yet…
africans were spared of the mongols as well, and yet…
What exactly is being said here?
For sub-Saharan Africans, their equivalent of the Mongols is either the Bantu or Europeans, or both.
After the slow drip feed expansion of the Bantus, but before the sudden colonisation of Europe, many African societies were doing well in their own right. Timbuktu was a literal gold mine and the centre of learning. There was also the Great Zimbabwe, the ruins of buildings so great and impressive that 19th century European archaeologists initially could not believe Africans built them. West Africa had been flourishing trading hubs for early European explorers and traders.
Finish the thought.
no u
Coward.
no u
You mean to tell me the glorious Empire could have tamed the european savages and we could have had a more peaceful world instead of the mess we have now?
True, but give some cred to Aetius as well. If he had failed at the catalaunian plains, history might’ve looked very different. And pope Leo I. Whatever he said to Atilla, it must’ve been convincing.
I read a theory somewhere that the Mongols use of dead bodies as weapons is major factor creating the black plague.
This theory is on Wikipedia:
Some studies indicate the Black Death, which devastated Europe in the 1340s, may have traveled from China along the trade routes of the Mongol Empire. In 1347, the Genoese possessor of Caffa, a great trade emporium on the Crimean Peninsula, came under siege by an army of Mongol warriors under the command of Janibeg. After a protracted siege during which the Mongol army was reportedly withering from disease, they decided to use the infected corpses as a biological weapon. The corpses were catapulted over the city walls, infecting the inhabitants.[142][143] The Genoese traders fled, transferring the plague via their ships into the south of Europe, from where it rapidly spread. The total number of deaths worldwide from the pandemic is estimated at 75–200 million with up to 50 million deaths in Europe alone.[103]
Plaque isn’t spread by corpses, but by fleas
https://historycollection.com/mongols-used-plague-biological-weapon/
It also is spread by the buboes on the bodies that rupture and spread infected pus and bloos. Throw a bunch of bodies over a wall and one will eventually infect someone inside, who will infect everyone else.
I mean… theorethically it could have helped spread it to the particular city, but I don’t think that would’ve influenced the epidemic spread of the disease much. Locked-in besieged cities would -in themselves- been prime locations for the disease to teke hold.
In fact, your own article basicly states as much:
However, there’s no reason to tie the biological attack at Caffa with the introduction of the disease.
Nah, being spared the Mongol invasion was incidental at best. What really gave the Euros their kick-start was discovering a whole-ass continent filled with resources, and polities that did not have the capacity to resist the sudden introduction of Old World technology.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say with self-administered grain of salt that colonialism didn’t really matter that much to European development in the grand scheme of things. Really we’re looking at the Renaissance and the beginnings of capitalism here. The only contemporary society that could’ve competed on both fronts was the formerly-Abbasid, formerly-proto-capitalist Middle East, but the Mongols heavily derailed that. I’m not sure how correct the post is in general, but it does bear thinking how the Renaissance would’ve went had Florence met a fate similar to Baghdad.
I’m a little tired right now and going to have a bit of a lay down, but I’d point out that Europe’s increasing economic parity, and then slowly gaining economic superiority, over the rest of the world would have to be one hell of a coincidence to match up nearly perfectly with the discovery and exploitation of an entire continent’s worth of resources. Vitally, the Americas provided Europe with trade goods (or the appropriate environment for growing them) that the rest of the world wanted - a recurring weakness of Europe in European history.
Also Real Mughal Hours
Could be reverse causality? Rich and industrializing countries have the money and resources to send out explorers and start colonies.
If you’re not on the rise already, you’re probably not throwing away ships on suicide missions.
Prestige projects are an ancient endeavor, though. The Norse, for example, were not exactly awash in riches during the height of their exploratory voyages, but a few desperate men or leaders with little else to their name (or boundless ambition) can make a massive difference.
In any case, Europe’s economic success is largely concentrated post-Columbus; at the time of Columbus, Europe was not particularly wealthy compared to the competing states. There are European advantages which contributed to the decision, but I don’t think wealth or industry is a compelling factor.
How was the destruction wrought by the Mongols “incurred” - do you think they’re god’s punishment for something?
Yes
“If you had not committed such great sins, Heaven would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.”
Sounds like superior luck genes to me 💪
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Obviously /s
Europeans crusading in the Middle East praised the Mongols (under the Prester John myth) as they crushed their muslim enemies.
Meanwhile Europeans prayed for a savior against the other branch Mongols spreading across Russian lands.
It’a been 20 years but I seem to remember it was the Mongols in the north of Europe that secured tributary vassals and opted not to return to Mongolia for electing a new Khan and the lineage of Jochi became rather independent. They moved south around the Black and Caspian Seas instead.
Multiple things can be true at the same time. No race, to the extent race even exists (literally only a social construct), is superior to any other, the Mongols didn’t just destroy peoples/cultures (there was often a choice between self-rule + tax or war), and Mongol recurve bows likely wouldn’t have weathered the coming storm seasons which would have eroded their glue (which they likely knew), which gave Eastern European nations the opportunity to build fortifications which were very effective against Mongol tactics and particularly popular in Hungary.
I was confused about this etymology since I was a kid. I was taught there was one race - the human race - referring to the species. Oh well. Language gets misunderstood, learning it gets half-baked, it’s misused and finally transformed over time. Whether it’s wrong or stupid is neither here nor there, I suppose.
IMO the Mongols would have eventually adapted if they get into Vienna or in other major European cities. The Mongols under Genghis Khan also did not have siege equipment when they invaded the Jin dynasty. But after conquering the Jin, they acquired the Chinese engineers who built siege equipment for them.
