• ZMoney@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Trump, the climate change denialist, doing his best to speed up the green energy transition.

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    IF the mines they’re deploying are THAT stupid/primitive, THEN simply shooting the things with a high-powered-rifle, using explosive bullets, ought clear them out?

    I’d had the impression that modern mines are underwater things, unseen until one hits them.

    Those should be a joke/mere-inconvenience ( if shot/detonated before they hit ), if they all float like that, & have visible/orange rust on 'em.

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      7 months ago

      Have you seen any World War II movies? The mines are changed the ground as per usual, that one’s obviously come loose. So yeah, that single mine is not much of a threat but it’s invisible brethren still are.

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      How so? I’m not challenging you, I honestly just don’t know what relationship you’re talking about.

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        Well it’s a major shipping corridor isn’t it and mines tend to be sort of a detriment to that that’s kind of the whole point really.

        Add on to the fact that China isn’t all that industrialised and tends to import a lot of its food and you’ve got a problem. The Chinese government are more competent than most (not really a shining endorsement of capitalism is it) so they might have pivoted to India but I don’t know how much time they would require.

        The amazing thing about all of this is it probably isn’t going to increase the price of RAM, so that’s the first for 2026.

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        Well as other’s already mentioned China get’s roughly ~20% of their oil from this region. All of that oil has to go through the Strait of Hormuz.

        The most interesting part about why this is bad for food security in any country is that our agriculture systems runs on oil (you could say we eat the oil). You need to run your farming equipment & all the processing that is needed to make the food edible. Transporting food from the countryside to cities where most people live is also very “Oil”/Gasoline intensive. At the same time you need to cool/freeze the food (needs electricity which is mostly fossil fuels still). So if your Oil supply runs dry your just fucked. Modern society will just not be able to function with it’s City focused infrastructure.

        Oh and the most relevant part is that fertilizers use a lot of oil to be produced. Well it’s not directly involved but still relevant. The Haber-Bosch ammonia production needs Natural Gas (by product from Oil extraction) to function or you can substitute it with Petroleum Coke (Petcoke) which is a byproduct of oil refining. Having less fertilizer is a HUGE problem for the next harvest season because your yields will be much lower which in turn reduces food availability.

        So yea everything that you eat & is grown by a farm needs a fuck ton of oil.

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          you could even say that a globalised food supply chain is not the ideal arrangement and that localised food production should be every country’s priority with surplus going to market. National and global corporations don’t do this because the local markets are too small to deliver industrial scale profit, but the most efficient approach to food production is least amount of travel and processing as possible. It’s not for profit, it’s for efficient food supplies.

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        I guess they’re referring to China getting 11% of it’s crude from Iran and nearly 50% from Arab countries that use the hermouz straight. They also have a huge reserve that should last them 3-4 months (or 6-8 months assuming they only lose 50%).

        Or… they’ll import more from Russia and reduce consumption to last much longer.

        It’s a national emergency, but I don’t think they’re facing mass starvation because of it… Would love for them to expand on what they mean.

        Edit: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/11/iran-ships-oil-china-strait-hormuz-closure-.html

        “Iran has sent at least 11.7 million barrels of crude oil through the Strait of Hormuz since the war began”

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      I’ve heard this before from people - that this is some kind of 3D chess attack on China, but that doesn’t hold water.

      https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/09/china-oil-shock-iran-war-hormuz-energy-transition.html

      I’m not cheering for China to come out rosy, but look, they have huge strategic reserves, a much bigger penetration of electrification, and the ability to ramp that up quickly. Overall, China is probably one of the BEST positioned countries to weather this - the impacts on other countries, including US allies, will be FAR worse. This is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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          A sea mine is like a land mine in that you always have a safe path through that you know and can communicate to allies. Even if enemies know the location of the minefields, you’re still forcing them to go through an area of your choosing rather than allowing them free movement. Most likely, Iran will have mined the areas closer to the UAE side of the strait, forcing any ships to hug Iran’s coastline and allowing them to strike with even their shortest range missiles.

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          They really aren’t anymore. Mines have advanced a lot in terms of technology. You’d be amazed.

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            If they are mining the strait it’s to put pressure on the US.

            They would not give up that pressure.

            Also, either they are communicating with the mines to tell them which commercial ships have Chinese bound cargo, (I guess that is possible, but I have never heard of it) or they are indiscriminate.

            On the other hand, if they have a live data link to the mines, then that would be a pretty good way for minesweepers to sweep up the mines. That doesn’t sound like a really prudent course of action.

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      You think China would just throw in the towel and do nothing about it? They’re sitting on the second most funded military in the world. They’ll put the soldiers to good use and they’ll fight their way to whatever they need. This isn’t the 30’s anymore.

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        The People’s Liberation Army’s Navy is designed to reach Taiwan. They have no ability to defend ships all the way from the Persian Gulf.

        India and every country on the way also NEEDS oil and will go out and take it to prevent disaster in their own countries.

        China is at the wrong end of straw.

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          That would have been true like 20 years ago, but the PLAN is absolutely a bluewater navy capable of projecting power. Their focus is on their backyard, but they have 3 aircraft carriers, 64 destroyers (with two more of the advanced type 55 commissioned a couple days ago), and 69 submarines.

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    Trump denied this, and it is extremely unlikely. Iran has the full power to sink every ship that comes close with drones alone, and is why no US navy ship dares come close. The Yemen Houthis have to this day still closed the Red Sea to undesirable traffic, (despite yet another mission accomplished bombing campaign by Trump) and they have less than 1/10th the power of Iran.

    Mines would be a sign of loss of control, but more likely the US is bombing small civilian boats under guises that they could lay mines.

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    Wait! I’m done with this fucking world. Let’s go to full nuclear war ASAP and stop this madness in this planet. Every morning when I wake up and start to read news, there’s always something more stupid things going on. I just can’t handle this anymore. I’m sorry but I’m done.

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    Please, someone tell me I’m not the only idiot that read this and thought they were trying to do the other type of mining.

    The one that doesn’t make sense at all, but rather than realising that’s not the mining they were doing, because it doesn’t make sense. I just got more confused as to what they possibly could have found there worth mining for in the middle of a war.

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    If US politicians ever imposed consequences on rich elites we might have avoided having had to learn the lesson of consequences from Iran.

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      How much sense it makes depends on which markets went up. If, for example, you are an Alberta oil producer, this situation is wonder for the bottom line.

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      Its because European countries announced they are going to release strategic reserves.

      I still don’t get it though because that only covers 2 weeks and Iran has already taken down some permanent capacity in the region and a bunch of places had to stop pumping (meaning well mineralization and reopening times of months). I would expect oil to be at $100 even with the strategic reserves announcement.

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        In the next couple weeks, demand is going to go down as the weather warms up. After that, they have all summer to to work on shifting production to renewables as much as possible and shifting fossil fuel suppliers to ones that don’t need to use that strait.

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          Summer somewhat affects natural gas. Demand for petrol and fertilizer doesn’t go down in the summer. There’s no way renewables are going to have an effect on the demand for those commodities in the next 12 months.