Who keeps saying Elon’s Nazi salute was a Nazi salute? Amongst others, a whole lot of fucking Nazi’s.
ETA: Wired has more coverage on how real goddamn fucking nazis are just as happy as pigs in shit right now: Neo-Nazis Love the Nazi-Like Salutes Elon Musk Made at Trump’s Inauguration.
This is living history at its finest: you can experience 1933 Germany like you were there!
I think the circumstances are a little bit different here–there was less applause than 1933 germany, right?
Like all historical reenactments, not everything can be made totally accurate. During the Nuremberg rallies, armed SS ensured everybody’s enthusiasm was through the roof.
That’s not a straight arm salute, its a Hitler Salute. You don’t have to be German to be a fucking Nazi.
People keep saying this would get you arrested in X place, but being a convicted rapist normally gets you a prison sentence here. Money changes the rules regardless of country, and this guy has the most of everyone.
You would get arrested in Germany for that: Using signs of terroristic organizations
Musk is a convicted rapist?
I think that one is referring to Trump. Musk won’t be punished for his Nazi salute, just as Trump isn’t punished for raping women.
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Didn’t that just happen in South Korea?
South Korea did detain and impeach the dude, so hopefully it goes somewhere unlike where the US is now
Nooooooo, that is all one big misunderstaaaaaaaandiiiiiiiing.
You’re just throwing the nazi insult at everyone you disliiiiiiike
/s
Look at all these still images of Democrats pointing they’re the same! /s
Well, isn’t that a surprise.
Liberal media: {shocked pikachu face} - why no, it only APPEARS to be that Elon gave a Roman salute. Rest assured we’ll get a good explanation for this later on, you guys!
Nazi Musk fanbois: {permanent erection}
So there are people both denying it and acknowledging it.
That’s a feature not a bug
“liberal media” desperate to be allowed to keep making money: deny!
Literal online Nazis: he’s one of us!!
They keep defending him saying “it was on accident, he’s autistic!”
Hitler would have put autistic people in the camps.
And from what I know of trump, I wouldn’t be the least surprised if they end up in the death camps this time too
Would have? He did!
Oh boy did he ever! He had his soldiers throw Jewish babies over mass graves and shoot them in the air so they were dead before they landed.
Child euthanasia (German: Kinder-Euthanasie) was the name given to the organized killing of severely mentally and physically disabled children and young people up to 16 years old during the Nazi era in over 30 so-called “special children’s wards”. At least 5,000 children were victims of the program, which was a precursor to the subsequent murder of children in the concentration camps.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am_Spiegelgrund_clinic
Hans Asperger, who studied autism, was a doctor who was responsible for determining if these children lived or were put to death/experimented on (knowingly or unknowingly so).
Hitler would have exterminated Elon Musk!
I know, and as someone who is actually diagnosed on the spectrum this infuriates me. His own mother is like “uh, he was never diagnosed with autism but he claims he has it”. Utter bullshit to excuse vile behavior.
So, I’m curious. Can a German chime in on this? I (US) understand that it’s illegal to do this salute in public there. Would what Musk did here be enough to get him booked, or at least a stern talking to, if he’d done it in Germany?
Per § 86 StGB (our penal law) up to three years in prison or a monetary fine.
People would be outraged, of course only those that aren’t too far gone to the right. The reaction of the AfD would be most interesting, as they will probably like it but can’t make it too obvious, they’re already under watch by the interior secret services of the Verfassungsschutz.
Would anything happen to Musk? The richest man in the world, backed by a country with a law to invade The Hague when service members are kept there? Yeah, I doubt that.
Okay, yeah, I’m with you so far. Let’s say Musk was anyone else and just did what he did here out in the middle of some public speaking event. Would he get got?
There’s been a singer that did it during a concert. Multiple times, too. She got a fine of 80.000€.
Another one is this case. He got a fine of 600€ for showing the salute with the left arm. Reasoning of the person that did it:“I thought it wouldn’t be forbidden with the left, I wanted to be provocative towards leftist protestors”.
I found another one where an artist who did it in public was fined 30 “Tagessätze” (your daily income) worth 50€ each, so 1500€.
So most punishment comes in the form of fines, imprisonment is rare. One must consider that usage of the Hitler Salute is covered under § 86a of our Penal Code (“Usage of Signs of anticonstitutional and terrorist organisations”), which is more tame than the § 130 of the same code, “Volksverhetzung”. That one would always be met with imprisonment (three months to five years), assuming you’re the instigator. But the bar is also a lot higher, since it requires you to actively sow hatred, instigate violence against certain people, be it based on sex, heritage, politics, birthplace, religion or whatever.
Okay, so it seems like yes, cool, thanks! Well, I think that’s a wrap, folks. It’s a Hitler salute.
“or a monetary fine”. Ugh, “legal for a price”.
FInAlLy tHe EnD oF wOkIsMn!1
Regardless of whether the South Africa-born Musk intended the salute as a “Sieg Heil” salute favored by the followers of Adolf Hitler in World War II, as some online commentators have suggested, it was eagerly received that way by extremists online.
Yeeeah. If your target group is also calling it for what it is, it is obviously a fucking nazi salute.
The press is just going to roll over on this episode too. Spineless cowards.
This is some poor logic. bandwagon fallacy. I get they aren’t your people- and I’m no fan of Elon as a person either- still you can come up with something better to get him on than, “If these people take it this way, then it must mean it’s true”
88 downvotes lmao
Here’s an upvote
Nobody here wants nazi upvotes except you. Just go away.
The logic is I watched him do a nazi salute.
What’s your logic?TWICE.
He turned to Trump and did it again.
So three times then? Once to the crowd, once to the flag, and once to Herr Trumpf
Please look back at what I said. Is that a fallacy or not? After letting me know that - you could ask me if I thought it was a nazi salute or not. Instead of just making assumption.
Man I’m not really on the internet very much- but it seems to me people like to debate or just plan argue in bad faith in ways they wouldn’t speak to people face to face.
Enjoy being perennially online, I’ve got stuff to build in the real world….yadayadayada touch grass
Nothing Ive said isnt anything I’d also say to someones face. You’re upset no one likes what youve said, so now you’re blaming “the internet”.
I qouted an article, and you came in here making bad assumptions about bandwagons that doesn’t have anything to do with watching a man give the nazi salute during the US presidential inauguration.
There’s nothing to debate. You’re the bad faith in this post.
I would tell you face to face I literally watched Musk do a Nazi salute with my own damn eyes. It. Was. A. Nazi. Salute.
That’s it, there’s no nuance no room for error very blatant and obvious. Watch the video if you don’t agree and you’ll see for yourself.
Again. Not engaging with what I said, then attempted to clarify. I can understand if you’re upset about what you saw- that’s no reason to come at me.
That’s not it. There’s no reason to shut down. If you can’t even discuss what I’m talking about- how do you ever think you’ll be able to explain it to people who think differently than you. If you don’t debate in good faith - how are you any better than those you accuse of lying and being disingenuous?
It seems to me communicating about stuff like politics and ideology online no one ever wants to secede anything to the person they’re communicating with. Their mind is made up before. How is this helpful discourse to move us out of this place we’ve found ourselves in?
I’ve watched the full video multiple times. Looked at various sides “takes”. Read comments from both sides. Seen some bs on Both sides.
But if you expect me to believe you simply because you say so- or because I’ve gotten downvoted a bunch , I’m sorry Sir- but that’s not how I work. And I hope that that’s not how you judge things either. But if it is, that’s your right and I’ll respect that- just don’t go thinking you’re doing anything different than those on the other side in terms of making points.
Okay, so… you’re a
nazicentrist. The masses appear to have spoken, and your opinions apparently aren’t welcome or worth respecting in this venue. So why should your particular spin on “just asking questions” or “dae civil debate” be tolerated? You’re clearly comfortable with Musk doing this, and you consider it very important to whiteknight for our favorite scrappy underdog (er… musk) by preaching about how we can’t be incivil in the face of a man with more power and influence than any other human being alive pulling an obvious fucking nazi salute at the inauguration.Seriously, we get it, you’re comfortable with nazis being in power. You don’t have to keep poisoning the discussion by going on about it.
Please don’t make assumptions about me, or make it seem like being a centrist is equal to being a nazi - which I am not. I’m also not “just asking question” like you state. Nor am I comfortable with someone in massive position of power doing a nazi salute. But it seems you already know who am I, what I think and what I’m doing. (You don’t know any of those) Im also not white knighting him- where did I do that?
I thought trying to make the point that when making points about Important discussions using logical fallacies isn’t the best way to go about it.
But continue to make assumptions about someone you don’t know and point your anger at the issue at hand at me instead. If you wanted to say I was being a contrarian or this is no place or time to worry about things like that- I would have ceded that, begrudgingly but I would have seen where you were coming from.
Instead you attack me, don’t acknowledge what I was trying to get across. Tell me how much more enlightened you are. God do people spend all day arguing like this online? Is that a great life?
Agree, backdown and concede is all you seem to tolerate.
You’re right I should just get off this thing, stop engaging and go live my IRL life. It’s much better than trying to engage with people on the internet. Thank you for the reminder. I’m going back to growing food, teaching people about food security, natural building and building community in real life. Despite what your wrongly accuse me of, I honestly wish you the best in your life.
You think there should be a debate or that there is even room for it.
I’m saying it’s not debatable it’s just a straight fact Musk gave a Nazi salute. There is no room for debate in good or bad faith cause it is not debatable.
Anyone trying to argue this was not a Nazi salute is just arguing in bad faith because they’re simply ignoring reality. Like I said, nothing to argue over because there’s just the truth (it was a Nazi salute) and lies (all the other excuses and bullshit).
Like you’re asking me to “debate in good faith” something that is not debatable. It just is.
Most brain-dead take of 2025, so far
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*goose
*noose
If gooses had a political alignment: they would totally be nazis. Evil birds.
Having now checked conservative spaces, it’s 30% “are we the baddies?” 30% “it was probably taken out of context” 30% “ugh” and 10% “based”
I went on 4chan for the first time in years, and a lot of the Nazis on there aren’t claiming him, one of them saying, and I quote, " [He’s] a cuckservative puppet trying to get H1B Indians back into the country you absolute r-".
Like how much of a fucking LOSER do you have to be to have your dog whistle be rejected by ACTUAL NAZIS bro.
I really want that to be true.
At the same time, we should probably start paying less attention to the mannerisms of an almost century-old-and-dead fascist regime, and pay more attention to our home-grown variety of the same. After all, when the bad guys come knocking, they’re going to look like the proud boys, not brownshirts.
So… 90% is in denial, and 10% is openly embracing it… Great.
Like what? Reddit subs?
I have a feeling Facebook and Twitter are going to be very different.
Reddit, lemmy, stormfront, 4/8chan, and news website article comments are my go-tos to gauge the way things are going from the perspective of the chronically online. If you have another suggestion that doesn’t require an account, I’d appreciate it
I’m no expert, but that seems good to me!
Unfortunately the critical mass is on Twitter/Facebook and cable news, so you are still seeing a very small slice of what the Republican base is actually getting exposed to.
It was a salute done by a nazi, to a nazi in a room full of nazis. What else would you call it?
“Straight arm salute”
Right. Gotcha. And a swastika is an “almost grid”.
It’s a deconstructed “cool S” it’s just art!!
It’s going to be a window as soon as I can afford to finish the tattoo.
My favorite buzz to hear from them would be from the electric transformer jacked into their chairs
The video is even worse
A guy a discord server I’m on keeps trying to play the “well it’s not totally a nazi salute” card, and it’s like…then what is it?
It’s not a wave. Not a single human on earth waves that way. No one waves by slapping their chest then throwing their arm out rigid into a point.
And him being “weird” doesn’t give him an excuse.
He’s sending his heart and love out to the masses /s
He’s sending his heart
He lacks the anatomy.
I’ve heard people say it’s a Roman salute. Like come on.
Defending it reminds me so much of conversations you’d hear in random discord servers…
Oh yeah I posted a swashtika… but really my intended meaning was the symbol of peace that was used around the world for thousands of years prior to the 1930s, and is still viewed as peaceful in countries that weren’t effected by WW2. (Umm… no you made it knowing exactly what’s popping into the minds of 95% of people you are using it).
Also would find when they’d put character names as say some random athlete or singer or something from a small country that has an N word in the name. Again dude, we know you specifically chose that name with the exact knowledge of what people think of when they see the name. Not because you think that this group is full of people who pay attention to random b list celebrities from countries that don’t have a lot of english speakers.
Minor nitpick - Japan was involved with/affected by WWII and any map from there has swastikas to mark Buddhist temples.
True, disclaimer “still used as a symbol of peace by countries that were not heavily impacted by WW2, or have strong historical reverance or current practice of Buddhism”.
Been getting mixed reception with the Bellamy Salute … probably because this is fucking serious.
RIP America, seems to be the way most republics end isn’t it.
Been getting mixed reception with the Bellamy Salute … probably because this is fucking serious.
Even IF we were to give him the benefit of the doubt, the Bellamy Salute was abandoned specifically because of the Nazi use of a similar salute. AND that salute is older than Musk, so there’s no history to claim there. Combined with his recent public praise and support of the far-right parties in Germany specifically, it really leads to one conclusion.
Even if we give him the benefit of the doubt despite all of that, and maybe claim that he’s trying to “take back” a previous American flag salute to make it American again… it reminds me of the this scene from Clerks 2 (NSFW - language). Elon is most definitely not the person that can bring that salute back.
Just had to say, gotdayum, spot on with the Clerks 2 reference!
I mean, not to mention that he recently praised German far right groups. You don’t get the benefit of the doubt about a Nazi salute a week after you praise nazis
Yeah it’s quite chilling…
😬😬😬😬😬😬😬
I don’t like it here. I don’t like it here. I don’t like it here.
… the future of civilization is assured.
That, combined with the salute, is bringing to mind all the worst things.
It’s not like it takes a very high IQ to have seen this coming for months. And I bet the magats still don’t see it.
It’s not like it takes a very high IQ to have seen this coming for
monthsyears.Years. This has been infuriating, being called hyperbolic when it’s been like watching a train wreck coming in extreme slow motion, with everyone constantly saying it’s not happening.
Holocaust survivors put out an open letter back in 2016 (I can’t find it now because it’s been drowned out by many more open letters since Gaza exploded) in which they warned what they were seeing with trump’s rise was exactly what they saw with Hitler, and people called that hyperbolic. That was 10 years ago.
We’ve had a decade at least to stop this and did nothing.
I bet some of them do.
Oh no, they see it, they’re actively cheering it on
