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Yeah Trump won the election. That is how democracy works.
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Reporter: “Would you ceded the election if you lose?”
Trump: “If it’s a fair election.”
The reds prepped for MONTHS if not longer to fight democracy if Trump lost. They had loads of active cases up until the election on loads of bullshit interference. Which all promptly disappeared when Trump won.
Democracy isn’t the issue. It’s the corruption of these rich assholes.
Don’t blame them, blame the people who didn’t vote
But also blame the DNC for running a de-energizing campaign yet again.
People who weren’t energized enough by the perspective of Trump don’t count as citizens anyway. I don’t know what type of energy you personally wanted, but nothing will work on those who saw Trump’s shitshow and decided to sit this one out because Kamala didn’t dance enough or whatever
I think people were more tired because Kamala was dancing too much. As in, she and Biden were just there for show and didn’t really accomplish much. I did vote for her, but it wasn’t because of anything they did.
It might be because you didn’t pay attention to what the administration actually did. There is a problem that US citizens fundamentally don’t know what the president can or can’t do and what the processes are.
My main concern always has been and always will be Climate Change. His BBB program was never going to address that in a serious way.
It would have been nice to have more efforts reuniting those separated families that happened during Trump.
For me, the economy comes in way behind those issues.
I recently looked specifically for info on the separated kids, and all I could quickly find was an article saying the Biden administration had re-united several hundred families, but without any estimate of how many remained probably -permanently separated. Do you know a source for actual numbers on this?
Maybe the fact that people need to be “energized” in order to fucking vote is the problem?
Like I’m sorry, but “you just didn’t energize me enough” is not a valid excuse for anyone not to vote, ever. Just goes to show the depth of the average American voter. Just completely devoid of critical thought.
not a valid excuse for anyone not to vote, ever
I’m so sick of authoritarian pricks pretending they get to decide what is and is not valid in our system. People not voting is valid and the DNC failed to get them to change their mind
Stop huffing copium and deal with reality
My favorite is the old standby, “If you don’t vote, you have no right to complain.”
The DNC has more power and resources to do something about it then I do. I can chew out individual people I meet, but I don’t really have the logistical rouses to go around telling 160 million people that Trump would be worse.
And yes, the American voter lacks critical thought. It’s something that takes a back seat to sports or job training in public education.
No, blame Biden and his stupid arrogance.
The man knows his brain is melting AND he knows his presidency is unpopular, but sure, he’s going to waste months of campaign time and tens of millions of dollars, and then, to make it even better, he’s going to make sure no one in the Democratic Party tries to react to it like a reasonable person and politician.
Biden made plenty of mistakes but ultimately the people who didn’t vote are the most directly responsible, full stop.
And so they deserve fascism.
This attitude will forever lose, you know that, right? This unwillingness to adapt is loser behavior.
And so they deserve fascism.
Yeah, the person you replied to definitely did not say that.
Yes, they did.
This is the same smarmy, condescending attitude we got with Hillary Clinton. The DNC refuses to learn anything, they patronize people with “the stars shine brightest in the night sky,” and turn their nose up at their base for being too stupid to know what’s good for them.
It’s not enough to be ‘correct’ when the ship is sinking, we have to win.
The people who voted for Trump are obviously the most directly responsible, full stop with parking brake.
The democrats knew genocide decreases voter turnout. They did it anyway. The democrats knew ending covid protections, banning tiktok, restarting student loan repayments, etc all lower voter turnout. They did it anyway.
You can wish that we lived in a world where these things didn’t lower voter turnout, but that’s not productive.
Only the democrats had the power to change the outcome of this election.
Each individual voter only had a say in their own vote unless they campaigned as well. Biden was in the position to change how he was seen by all voters. Who has more responsibility here?
Let’s blame everyone for everything they did wrong. Blaming people who did nothing before you blame the actual Trump voters is literally insane.
I’m guessing you call yourself a leftist.
What did you say to the public? How far did your candidate get? How much organizing did you do?
I’m sure the Green Party will be running a bunch of grassroots campaigns at the local and state level to build their party up, right?
…right?
Why are you pointing at someone else?
Pardon? Are you suggesting that I suddenly start attempting to transform a political party that I consider a complete joke at best, and a foreign psy-op at worst, into something viable?
Why the fuck would I do that? Fuck the Green “Party.”
They’ll disappear for another four years, only to climb out of whatever hole they’re in to spoil another election.
It’s just more tankie/maga sea-lioning. They frame the situation as though Dems should seize power to avoid Republicans from seizing power, lol wut
The Dem leadership needs to be removed, but this “both sides” rhetoric is lazy and just further drives people to apathy, giving maga room to do their work.
Yeah, this is a meme shared by an old guy that uses his real name on sites like this, and writes a diary online.
All my life I’ve been “the fat guy,” or sometimes “the weird guy.” Being described instead as “an old guy” feels like I’ve graduated to elder statesman status.
Or they could’ve prosecuted Trump when they had the chance instead of making Garland the attorney general (supposedly to stick it to republicans for not confirming Obama’s nomination of this worthless milquetoast clown as a supreme court judge, where he probably would have sided with the conservative judges way too many times anyway) where he stood around with his dick in his hand for four years. If democrats are really as scared of fascism as they claim, then they should be pulling out all the stops, but instead it’s business as usual.
Plenty of leftists actually do spend their lives organizing and doing work within their communities. We ultimately believe that electoral democracy is not democracy so we don’t have candidates. The cash of corporations is worth far more to any representatives than any vote, winning or otherwise. I’d rather put my effort into creating real safety nets that I know I can actually rely on than the thoughts and prayers of war mongerers.
Sounds like “plenty of leftists” need to either step up or stop complaining about the current system.
You just repeated yourself. Pathetic, genocide loving keyboard warrior.
Yeah, it sucks, but no one got out and fucking voted. Also, it’s fucking Joe’s fault. It is 1000% Joe’s fault. He should have stepped down before the primary.
It’s the fault of the people who didn’t vote.
Yeah, so how do you get them to?
They are silent because the democrat party wanted all of of the power they refused to curbed. You wanna call Republicans fascists, well the leadership is, but so is Democrats leadership. We desperately need to remove both parties from all aspects of OUR government.
The people have spoken. The last duty of the outgoing administration is the orderly hand-off to the incoming admin.
What about this is hard to understand? They’re doing what we ask of them; even if you, me and they fear the next 2 years and then 2 more.
But I suspect this is just trolling.
They’re doing what
we ask of themthe people they talk to expect from them.I asked for nothing. I wanted Bernie or just anyone with a moral backbone. The howling of the people remained unheard
The majority of voters speak for us all, and we asked for racist plutocratic theocratic fascism.
I cannot fathom how any decent human being could cast any kind of vote for trump but the people that did are not the actual problem.
The fact that there where only 2 options of the same 2 cults the majority has gotten tired off is the problem.
It is post election and we sadly cant redo it. There is little sense to make a “us and them” between voters and non voters besides a subtle “told you so” now and then when leopards eat there faces. Always remember devision is a political weapon used against us. It would be the higher dynamic of the politica Theater working exactly as designed to make sure we the people cant organize power.
If you want ballot access reform and campaign finance reform, Vote Dem. You’re right that the Trump voters aren’t the problem the almost 7 million voters who stayed home compared to 2020 are.
… as always.
No, Biden has a duty to protect the constitution, so letting the fascists take over is a dereliction of duty.
Explain precisely what you want him to do. Should he refuse to hand over power in “defense of the constitution”? Be specific.
you can invade, stage coups and meddle in other countries to bring or protect “democracy” then why not your own?
Let’s try this again. Explain precisely what you want Biden to do. He specific. Rhetorical questions don’t count.
I’ll tell you want I want him to do. Nothing. I want him to retire from politics. I want him to admit guilt that he never put up a fight and never intended to. I want him to be ashamed about the direction he lead the country in. I want him to denounce his stake in the DNC and encourage his peers to do the same.
What is happening now is a major failing of both parties. If they so desperately want to be the only two horses that get to race then they take responsibility for every other horse they’ve essentially knee capped.
I’ll tell you want I want him to do. Nothing. I want him to retire from politics. I want him to admit guilt that he never put up a fight and never intended to. I want him to be ashamed about the direction he lead the country in. I want him to denounce his stake in the DNC and encourage his peers to do the same.
I would only quibble that what you’ve suggested is not ‘nothing’. It’s not a lot, but it’s far more than Biden (or Harris) has ever done, or are ever likely to do. If either of them did what you suggest, they’d have my respect for the first time.
It’s a fine line to tread. Biden and Harris have a Constitutional duty to step aside on January 20, and let Trump and Vance take over, but there’s no duty to acquiesce so quietly and cooperatively. They could be leading pro-civil rights rallies and delivering speeches on national TV, but of course, if they did they wouldn’t be Biden and Harris.
We invision leaders who have moral fortitude, believe in justice, want to make the world better, and have a plan to do so.
What we actually have are people who showed up, people who sold out, people who can navigate petty social interactions, and people who cling to power because it’s their ticket to an easy life.
Never should anyone be surprised when they let us down. It’s all theatre and the few who might fit the bill get isolated and rejected because they threaten the rests existence.
They are trolling, yes. Part of their campaign message was also quite clear about simply not being Trump
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peoplemoneyed interests in charge of a deeply unrepresentative system have spokenFixed that for you. If not for several kinds of voter suppression and the Dem leadership being deaf to the left two thirds of the base, the GOP would have become permanently uncompetitive to the point of irrelevance DECADES ago.
What about this is hard to understand? They’re doing what we ask of them
False, see above. The US is one of the LEAST representative “democracies” in the world even when you DON’T count legal corruption as corruption.
But I suspect this is just trolling.
BIG “criticizing Biden means you love Trump” energy 🙄
Good thing we didn’t vote! We might have changed this!
It was going this way no matter what and the only question was how soon based on the voting choices we’re allowed to have.
People not voting is a symptom of the inherent contradictions of our system and we’re ignoring this and other symptoms because they seem fixable; they’re not but we’re going to try anyways because we don’t know better and we don’t know better because we’re told that we have the best system our entire lives.
If enough people voted, the Democrats would have given people free health care, stopped financing wars, torture and genocide, close Guantanamo, improve public transit, boost public education, and lowered the cost of groceries. If only enough people voted for the Democrats, they could be in power and bring change. Of course!
You do have to vote for the right ones in the primaries first. Someone being a part of a coalition does not mean they universally support all of a certain set of issues. Universal health care is a good example, some dems support it and some do not. Need to primary in the ones that do.
Except the Dems have no obligation to primary candidates other than the ones that they choose, legally or otherwise.
Not to say don’t go out and vote, but the corporate Dems have an incentive to prevent things from changing for the better of anyone except for the oligarchy. It’s the ratchet effect - Republicans drive things ever further to the right, and Dems keep it from moving one way or another, thereby turning the extreme into the status quo.
We’re going to have to fight the Dems as well to get this stuff done.
I think it’s less an oligarchic conspiracy to keep power and more often a misguided belief that neo-liberalism is a viable political philosophy, alongside our campaign finance laws leaving us fundamentally vulnerable in a way that cannot be fixed without an amendment or winning the Supreme Court finally. Not that there aren’t oligarchs that want more power, but blaming everything on them is missing half the picture of the reality of our situation. We would still be in this mess without any oligarchs, so long as the other two problems remain, as they create more systemic weaknesses.
I basically agree with you 100%. I think the whole thing is a series of shortsighted choices that have led to a situation where we have an essentially unmoving class of politicians in control who care more about their purse strings than they do actually solving anything, and nothing the average person can do about it. The only people who could really fix the issues in the system are dependent on those issues to keep their jobs.
I also didn’t mean that politicians are oligarchs, regardless of party. They’re servants to the oligarchs of the US - people like Bezos and Musk.
Sure, I understand what an oligarch is. I just think their influence is overestimated, and the amount of people that think neo-liberalism is legitimately a good thing from a philosophical standpoint is underestimated.
People tend to blame that on oligarchs, which is a convenient cop-out imo. Oligarchs have become this boogey-man we can conveniently blame our problems on instead of having to take a more critical look at our problems in things like messaging and communication.
edit: Like, look at Joe Rogan. I don’t think his success in communication is due to oligarchy in any of its forms. That’s an example of the kind of communication and outreach that we lack, though. They’ve got it, we don’t.
I mean, a lot of news outlets are owned by the same groups funding politicians on both sides and far right think tanks. After 9/11, somebody bought up over 500 local news channels with the express purpose of running more anti-Muslim news.
There isn’t some big conspiracy going on, but the facts of US politics are that since Reagan, the laws have been made based largely on the whims of the rich. More often than the majority, at least. And what do the rich want? More money. And dumb, angry people have been great for revenue. So the rich make decisions to benefit their bottom line, and politicians are beholden to their corporate sponsors, and it all leads down the rabbit hole of grifters and tech bros and all. Not in some long con conspiracy, but in idiots chasing infinite growth and infinite profits with no thought for 2 years down the road.
I think there’s a big issue with Dems in their messaging, both in style and who they platform to, but the extremists have an advantage here: people think emotionally, not rationally. So if your job is to tell people that it’s not their fault their lives suck, it’s the fault of (insert minority group here), that’s going to be a lot more palatable to people than “Biden added 500,000 jobs to the economy during his presidency” when much of the country have to choose between food and heat this week.
I also agree with the neo-liberalism (also, both sides-ism and centrists), but I think that also can be partially blamed on the Dems, and also our culture in general. The Dems have been the party of “reaching across the aisle” since before I was born, and my entire life it has only allowed things to get worse. The Dems clearly have a losing strategy, but they’ve tried nothing and they’re all out of ideas because they refuse to let truly progressive candidates lead the party for fear of giving up their power/positions (and their corporate sponsors).
Just pointing out that the last time Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority and the Presidency, it was for 73 days in 2009 and Obamacare was passed.
Yeah, they think they’re making a clever point, but Democrats literally tried to do many of those things, and were consistently blocked by Republicans.
I swear, these people have no fucking concept of how their own country functions.
You’re right that they don’t have any idea how the country functions. When polled 3/4 of Americans can’t name the 3 branches of government. Only 17 states require students to pass a civics test to graduate high school. Only 9 states and DC require students to take a year of US government or civics. 8 states have no civics requirements at all.
Almost as if it’s by design…
Assuming you meant it sarcastically, this is brilliant.
It is. I’m not American but we are facing similar issues where I live and it’s a bit insulting to be told that simply voting would change anything.
We (and the US) have alternated between two major parties for decades. They have had ample time to show us how they run things. And from what we’ve seen, it’s difficult to assume that anything would be different the next time they are in power.
US politics has had two major parties since the beginning (Useful Charts YT channel ). They’ve splintered and switched around names and policies, and some third parties have popped up for causes, but the system is biased to keep two in power.
That’s my perspective. The two parties take turns steering the Titanic. Democrats seek compromise with the icebergs. Republicans look for more and bigger icebergs, full speed ahead.
We humans need to be about an order of magnitude more unruly in order to survive our own banal ideologies.
Please, can we be?! 🙏
They’re giving us a very quiet “then perish” right now.
They will be fine. With their millions of dollars, book sales, philanthropic foundations, speech engagements, fundraising… The changing of the guard doesn’t mean shit to them except they’re not on the government dime anymore.
The rest of the (sane) country? Watching them row away from the Titanic in a half-empty lifeboat.
Exactly.
I mean Americans oversaw the transfer of power to fascists.
Sure Biden/Kamala should be issuing a warning, although they already have, many times. But the situation we find ourselves in is squarely on Americans.
Yeah, this post has big “third party voter” energy.
No American alive today had a say in the electoral college, yet it gave Bush Jr. and Donald Trump presidential powers despite the masses being against them. Americans weren’t in charge of the completely farcical 2000 election, Jeb Bush was. This time around, sure. The people have chosen this. Only after decades of witnessing how little representation they truly have.
If you haven’t heard of the brooks brothers riot look it up. A who’s who of Republican operatives who were handsomely rewarded after succeeding in the 2000 coup.
I’m pretty sure they spent over a year campaigning against it and lost by a lot. What else is there to say? I don’t blame them…
Carrying the world’s biggest bully pulpit, Biden/Harris virtually never used it. Even their campaigning against Trump was always muted, soft-spoken. Kamala Harris said once, during her campaign, that Trump fit the definition of a fascist. Once.
They either didn’t believe the things they were saying or they don’t care.
Because they didn’t achieve them? …isn’t that exactly like you, though?
Biden will expire before anything affects him and Kamala is rich enough to be unaffected. Of course they don’t care.
Or both.
Statement of caution? Americans are about to get what they asked for and if I was Biden, I’d steal half the shit on my way out and pardon all my family and friends. It’s clear that those are the rules now, so may as well take advantage of it before giving up the presidency. But American voters and those who stayed home can fuck right off and enjoy the next 4 years and keep their mouth shut.
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Who said what again?
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Simply untrue.
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During the campaign, Biden and Harris each alluded to Trump being a fascist, once, in answer to insistent questioning. You said “biden and harris both called him a fascist… a lot,” which is simply untrue.
His farewell speech was more than I’d expected, though.
Not interested in insults.
their entire campaign was based on it. come on now bud don’t be dense. it was a shit campaign but it was 100% about what a danger trump was. they lost because they brought nothing else to the table and that was the problem.
The subject at hand is the coming transfer of power to fascists, not the election. Since November 5, 2024, Biden and Harris have had nothing to say.
dense it is. there is nothing to say. they lost, because they did a shit job on the campaign trail and a meh job during their administration.
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They could at least stand behind the messaging from the campaign.
If you call someone a dangerous threat to democracy for a year, and then when they get elected you wish them well and act civil, it really undermines your point about the whole threat to democracy thing.
Exactly. I believe Trump truly is an existential threat to the world and American democracy. To Biden and Harris, it was just campaign jargon.
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Because you have no fight in you. Was MLK civil? More than Malcolm, maybe, but no he wasn’t.
Bernie Sanders has more fight right now than anyone in the upper echelons of the DNC.
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Presidents are supposed to be professionals and should act like it and that includes not being a bad loser.
Apparently, you wrote the rule book and Biden and Harris are following it.
I didn’t choose hitler 2.0, no. I find this complacency you have revolting.
The correct time to do something about Trump was 4 years ago after January 6th. He should be in prison on sedition.
The correct time to smile as you hand the keys over is never. And yet, that’s what the democrats are doing.
No acknowledgment of their colossal failure,
no acknowledgment of their present unelectibility,
no acknowledgment of how hard things are about to be for people,
no leadership about what to do now that our government is owned by X.com,
no resistance.I’m not asking for a second January 6th: do the democrats even care?
Presidents are supposed to be professionals and should act like it
I’ll try to remember this as the corpses of Trump’s administration pile up.
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What are you asking for then?
Literally anything to rebuild public faith.
If you haven’t seen it, this was Bernie Sander’s response to Trump’s victory given while Kamala Harris, our last hope, was on vacation.
The DNC is so beaurocratic, toothless, and boring that they lost to someone who holds the bible upside down.
And why? Because they don’t believe in anything. They’re soulless husks that amber about doing whatever their corporate donors tell them will sell to their demographics right now.
What should they do? I’d love to hear one of them present a single fucking idea. Even a bad one.
Blue states, round the national guard, project yourself as a safe haven for the would-be deported. Blue in the senate, obstruct and delay as much as possible. Pull the fire alarm, I don’t know. The system has crumbled, act like it.
Anyway, I’ve been soapboxing for long enough. You have a good day, man.
So you’re an idiot.
With effort and imagination, insults can be amusing, interesting, outrageous, or profound.Please give us higher-quality insults, or no insults at all.
He’s an idiot screeching for decorum during the fall of the Republic, he doesn’t deserve better and coating an insult in wit doesn’t change its nature or intent.
screeching
Holy hyperbole batman, your reading comprehension might need some work.
Oh, look. They’re flocking.
Rude!
It’s okay if your hot take isn’t popular, don’t take it out on everyone else though…
yeah this stuff is so rediculous. What if they had warned? then the meme would go to the next goalpost or whatever.
A PLURALITY voted for Trump, NOT a majority. Don’t help them with their propaganda
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How many eligible voters didn’t vote?
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Because using the technically correct word is better and important, especially when dealing with lying, manipulating propagandists who will bully their way as much as possible.
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The majority voted for Trump in a country with voter suppression, gerrymandering, and even terrorist threats against voters / poll workers. I don’t know what to think of that statistic in light of… many exhausting decades of bullshit.
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Hah can you imagine? I’m just dubious about Trump having a mandate.
Was it truly majority? And is it 100% certain there was no fraud?
I heard in finland’s news there was somekind of arson attack at some point which destroyed bunch of votes, while the elections were still going but i have no idea how much. I dont think they would fabricate such news.
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No evidence as in it has been investigated reliably and nothing was found or as in nothing has been done because there is no obvious evidence?
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I just cant believe actual majority of americans would want that idiot in power.
The majority didn’t vote at all.
Like in the Trolley problem, not making a choice is itself a choice.
About 36% of eligible voters didn’t vote. That’s not a majority. Can we be accurate with facts here?
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In speech this week, Biden boasted about making the US so much stronger militarily that sets up Trump for “success”.
In another speech, or maybe the same one, he patted himself on the back for leaving Trump the strongest economy evah!
