“Ukrainians will not give their land to the occupier,” Zelenskyy said in a Telegram message early Saturday.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy defiantly declared Saturday that his countrymen “will not give their land to occupiers,” after Donald Trump suggested that a peace deal would include some “swapping” of territories with Russia.
“The answer to Ukraine’s territorial question is already in the constitution of Ukraine,” Zelenskyy said in a message on Telegram early Saturday. “No one will and no one can deviate from it. Ukrainians will not give their land to the occupier.”
His comments came after Trump announced on Truth Social that a long-awaited meeting with Vladimir Putin had been scheduled for next Friday in Alaska.
A weak corrput authoritarian country like Russia deserves to be dominated by strong NATO democracies like the USA. Time for the US to act like it and dominate with the strongest military force on the globe!
The satire trolling is hilarious, but it’s still trolling.
Absolutely not. This is to a large degree why we’re in so many messes to begin with. 😄
US tanks are the best, the Abrahams can survive weak Russian landmines and shelling! F-35 fighter jets are the best and can win air dominance, which assures combat dominance! Once you have air dominance, victory is assured, like Afghanistan shows! The Taliban could only hide in caves for 20 years. Easy. The US can win any war it chooses at any time of its choosing! The storm-troopers are talented and motivated to not perform meat wave attacks and frontal assaults against drone forces.
Time to defend your freedom of speech and democratic rights using military dominance, so they do/may never rot from within!
What a shit and stupid take. We’re done with wars. They don’t solve anything and just feed the ego’s of weak men. Give us peace. STOP trying to control everything and just make peoples lives BETTER. Fuck corpos, fuck the MIC, fuck profit.
I think they’re being brutally sarcastic, but if not - yes.
US military bases and logistics networks are stronger then ever. Logistics ships are well maintained and well staffed. This makes any win cheap, as the majority of work towards victory is already done.
The leader of the free world, Donald J Trump, was elected, and he will lead the entire planet to salvation with Jesus and the Evangelical Gospel he swore his oath on! Know the truth (of Trump) and it will set you free!
zelenskyy is my main double y guy
I think a swap is a great idea. Zelenskyy should ask for St Petersburg and Konigsberg for Donbas and Luhansk.
Taganrog, Kuban, Green and Yellow Klyns, Kursk…
If we start to enumerate, Russia has a lot of territories they’ve ethnically cleansed to call them „historically Russian territories”.
Karelia, Siberia… The list goes on.
Russia gets everything east of Moscow, Ukraine gets everything west. We can build a wall down the middle of Moscow to show it.
That’s why it’s called the Art of the Deal baby
(⌐■_■)
As he should.
Fuck trump. Fuck Russia. Slava ukraini
I just hope they ceasefire and agree on a truce even if for temporary
this could easily be solved.
Russia go home. Leave Ukraine.
Now we are spying who has downvoted? Cool.
I downvoted because the situation isn’t that simple anymore. This was applicable when it was just a “special operation”. Everyone involved needs to save face when this shit ends, that includes Russia, Ukraine and NATO.
Up and down votes are public record on lemmy.
I didn’t know this. That is shitty design. It is nowhere explicitly stated on any app or the website.
your pms are also exosed to instance admins. that and your up/down-voting being public is indeed a shitty design which they keep saying they “will fix soon.” at least they’re open about it
This should be stated up front during log in, or somewhere prominent.
Now we are spying who has downvoted? Cool.
when it comes to calling out people who disagree that Russia should fuck off, I’ll call out Nazi supporting scum all day.
Russia does not need to save face because they are the ones that invaded illegally. to the world their face is rotting and half gone leaving a bleached white skull. you know, like the ones on the SS uniforms.
Now Russians are Nazis lol. USA has invaded more countries than any other modern country but Russia gets called a Nazi and not them.
How does Russia not need to save face? They have to prove to their public and allies thaf the war was worth it and they gained something. Same thing with Ukraine that defending and fighting for so long was not just to end up giving land. NATO needs to maintain the illusion of having the greatest military to ever exist.
They have to prove to their public and allies thaf the war was worth it
Yeah, all these bombed hospitals and kindergartens must be worth stealing some land.
Sound logic here.
I am not saying it is worth it. I am saying they have to make it seem worth it.
Do they now?
Thug came to your house, punched you in your face and raped your wife. You definitely should give him one room so it seems for him it was worth punching and raping.
- invading land that isn’t part of Russia
- abducting citizens and sending them to concentration camps
- abducting children and feeding them into human trafficking rings across the globe
- military attacks against citizens
- continued attacks against Ukrainians calling them “Nazis”
- blowing up critical infrastructure that maintains public safety (the dam)
- planting explosives and holding nuclear engineers hostage at a nuclear waste site as a bargaining chip to threaten Ukraine
edit sorry, forgot some of the more heinous crimes because there are just so many
- bombing schools and killing children while they were at school
- bombing hospitals that were functioning as natal/infant care facilities
- bombing parks and shopping centers in an effort to kill civilians
- burning civilian victims in mass unmarked graves to remove evidence
- torturing POWs in ways that are cruel and unusual
- looting the bodies and homes of Ukrainians (who tf steals toilets???)
sounds like some pretty Nazi shit to me dude. at the very least it’s the same shit terrorists do.
US has nothing to do with what Russia is doing to Ukraine, you bringing it up is a feeble attempt at distraction away from the crimes Russia is committing.
Let me paint a picture for you.
You’re walking down the street with your family and a drunk Russian pulls out a gun in front of you and threatens you to give up your stuff. your mother and father take too long to respond and are both shot in the face. the Russian then calls over a couple of his friends who come over and take turns raping your mother’s bloody corpse in front of you for several days. when they’re finished, they shoot you in the stomach and take your shit then leave you for dead but not before you stab one of them in the balls.
several days later the Russians are apprehended and taken to court. the judge charges them with rape, desecration of a corpse, unlawful use of a handgun, theft, and unlawful detainment. they will spend the next 10 years in prison.
the judge then charges you with attempted murder for stabbing the one guy in the balls. your property is never returned, the deaths of your parents are never justified, and you will spend then rest of your life in prison.
when your lawyer asks about the double homicide charges, the judge says that he dropped them because everyone in this case was guilty and he’s allowing the criminals to “save face”. after all, they’re already being charged with five other crimes.
is this your idea of justice?
never mind, your opinion is absolutely trash and I really couldn’t give less of a shit.
If you don’t want people to know your opinions, it’s most likely because those opinions are stupid. Think on that.
I want people to know my opinion, that’s why I replied and commented. What sort of fancy sounding but stupid reply is this?
if you want people to know your opinions then why are you arguing that it’s wrong to see who upvoted or downvoted comments?
stand by your convictions and you have nothing to fear. I mean, unless you’re convictions include supporting Nazi propaganda and hate speech.
if that’s the case I’d say you’re a big piece of shit. but that can’t be true, right?
I stand by what I said. You made the jump to Russians being Nazis and assuming that I am supporting everything Russia does.
You’re right. the Russians in Ukraine aren’t Nazis.
Nazis were well organized and disciplined. they had clear achievable goals. they took control or occupied over 20 countries in three years.
Russia can’t even hold control of a territory in a single country, even after the deaths of over one million soldiers over three years.
When you compare Russian military with Nazis it just makes it glaringly obvious how weak the Russian military complex is.
However, when you compare the crimes Russian soldiers have perpetrated against Ukrainians it’s pretty clear that Russian soldiers are following Nazi ideals.
No one needs to save face. Just stop fucking killing families. That’s it.
Politics is all about saving face. The war will be over but they still would want a political career after that.
Because Russia also has demands which are not all reasonable, but their most vocal one has been their constant rejection of Nato expansion along their borders at every enlagement it happened in the past 20 years, and the argument became: Is Nato expansions along Russia a legitiment threat? Well, it’s not that clear-cut and you have to see it from their prespective. They see their previous enemy of US capitilism and its Nato allies, whom they lost to after the communist soviet union fell, expand right on their borders one country after another. Russia has escilated their response of rejection since 2000 every time Nato planned and expanded near them.
Whoever side you see is right, there is a rational peacful point in between where people lives and economies can improve with better human rights and minimum bloodshed. I’m not irrational to ask for less people dying in meat-grinding forced transcripts and civilians and economies suffering on both sides, while their politicians finish their dick-measuring contest.
did NATO install military along the border with Russia? Did NATO posture for an attack against Russia? Did NATO threaten Russian sovereignty? Did NATO take control of sovereign land away from Russia?
no, NATO didn’t do that. Russia did do all that though.
So the question becomes, if Russia is so great and powerful why does it need to posture so much against an alliance of countries that haven’t directly threatened it? Further, if Russia is to powerful why is it afraid of NATO? Lastly, if NATO was so evil why has Russia sent over one million soldiers to die in Ukraine?
The answer to all your first question was no. Then later you ask if Nato’s threat was done indirectly? economically and politically, yes. Then you answer the real question imo yourself, why are you cheering 1million+ of poor & forced conscripts dying for a dictator whose kids are not on the front line and got enough money to spend $10 billions a month until he dies? Russian oligarchs are still eating good, and the rich ones are partying it up in Dubai, Bali and Phuket by the hundrends of thousands. Why not reach a truce after 3.5+ yrs of human meat-grinding warcrimes, and ecnomic draining for all countries and allies involved on both sides? A temporary truce will help clear what everyone wants after 3.5+ years of bloodshed, economic suffering, and irreversible environmental damage where the number one victims are the poors who can’t afford to relocate?
So trump thinks it’s about land mass, and not the people living there. Gotya.
He must think this whole conflict is over real estate and golf courses.
Not a lot of people living in these territories remaining, on account of the continuous warfare. Hundreds of thousands not in active military have been refugees for years now.
Furthering complicating things are the number of residents who were killed in the conflict. They don’t get their land back under any conditions.
I see a lot of “If I was in Ukraine, I’d go down fighting” shitposts on the sub. But all the Reddit Commandos who thought they’d win one for the gipper went out in airstrikes back in early 2023.
The only westerners still engaged with this war are treating it like a sportsball game in extra innings. They don’t care about the death toll. All they care about is the territory.
It’s the same brain rot that’s got Israelis obsessed with punishing Gaza for October 7th, except the Ukrainians aren’t “winning”.
There’s lots of people living in occupied areas that the Russians took in the first few days. The regions that have been fought over for the past 3 years … yes you’re right… No much remains there.
Trump doesn’t understand the concept of “people” beyond mechanical tools that do what he says.
This whole USA diplomacy is fucking whack. Lots of confusion on what, why, where.
First, after Witkoff dialog in russia, Trump told European partners that there would be exchange Kherson/Zaporizhzhya (russia moves out) to Donetsk/Luhansk (Ukraine moves out).
Then next day Witkoff says russia is not planning to retreat from anywhere.
Next day, EU leaders demanded a call with Witkoff, where he confirmed the deal is “Ukraine moves out of Donetsk in exchange to ceasefire”.
Fucking clowns.
Europe did a deal with Trump hoping he will continue to support war in Ukraine. I am sure they are feeling vindicated now.
There’s a caveat though: the president of the European Commission did a deal with Trump, but her position doesn’t give her that power. There are two outcomes of this: European politicians says “so what?”, or they pretend they don’t like the deal to look good but accept it nonetheless as if they didn’t have a say in it.
If I was home invaded and a cop showed up right at that moment and the solution was…“I’ll let the home invader leave your house, but only if you give him your television.”. I am Ukraine, the home invader is Russia and the cop is trump. What a debacle!
If I was home invaded and a cop showed up
Of course that’s going to make things worse
Yeah, in this scenario, you’d be lucky if the cop doesn’t arrive 3 hours late and shoots you.
Incidentally, that’s the US policy for the Middle East
Hey guys, go rob this guy. He clearly won’t do anything meaningful about it.
I see the child rapist is having his delusions again making up stories.
Wait I thought there was going to be peace right after he got elected…
Give him 2 weeks promise !
Wait, isn’t there an arrest warrant for Putin? The US would ignore it to talk to him in Alaska?
US is not a signatory to the ICC
Ah, yeah.
Even if the US is not a signatory to the international criminal court, they will guard human rights! Especially when it comes to Putin Trump will give his best to lead him to justice without ICC compromize.
I hope this is sarcasm, if you believe this I have a Taj Mahal I want to sell to you.
Trust in Trump, Jesus will guide him to the American golden age of human rights.
It is very big, white like the White House, but better. It is made from white marble. Looks great on the bank of the river. All for the cheap price of 50000 USD. If you would like we can ship it to you, shipping included. But you have to take care of the tariff. Whatever it might be when it reaches your shore. /s
On serious note do you think everyone deserve human rights. Or are you a White Christian Nationalist and are of the opinion only whites deserve it. Once all the brown people are deported, blacks are made slaves again will you reach the
golden age of human rights.
Because that is what you Baby Emperor with no clothes is doing.
Art of the deal!!!
In fact, the US actively opposes the ICC and has made Microsoft block the chief prosecutor’s email
and this thread is why i visit lemmy
https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/08/03/us-hague-invasion-act-becomes-law
U.S. President George Bush today signed into law the American Servicemembers Protection Act of 2002, which is intended to intimidate countries that ratify the treaty for the International Criminal Court (ICC). The new law authorizes the use of military force to liberate any American or citizen of a U.S.-allied country being held by the court, which is located in The Hague. This provision, dubbed the “Hague invasion clause,” has caused a strong reaction from U.S. allies around the world, particularly in the Netherlands.
Swap? Russia is not giving up anything. Russia would be swapping useless Ukrainian land for important land they dont control. Thats a stupid deal and another stupid deal in trumps stupid belt.
Thats a stupid deal
The kind that Trump does best.
So, which part of USA territory is Trump willing to give up? Well, if the answer is none, that much of land is Ukraine willing to give up.
I’m sure he would happily give up Alaska to his Russian buddies
I volunteer Texas and Florida!
Texas would beat Russia in a war.
Texas can’t even handle a Texan winter.
That’s only because you can’t shoot the cold.
Not with that attitude you cant.
I bet it is able to be nuked though
