Summary
Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yousafzai condemned the Taliban’s treatment of women at a Pakistan summit on girls’ education in Muslim communities, stating, “The Taliban do not see women as human beings.”
She criticized their policies banning Afghan girls from education and work as “gender apartheid” and un-Islamic.
Afghanistan is the only country banning education for girls beyond grade six, affecting 1.5 million girls.
Malala urged Muslim leaders to challenge these practices and advocate for girls’ education globally.
The Taliban declined to attend or comment.
She isn’t wrong to say this.
She isn’t wrong. Imagine not seeing half of the population as human, even though they carried you and everyone who has ever been born in the womb for 9 months and gave birth to you.
I live in the United States. I don’t have to imagine, I can see it up close.
JFC can you guys stop acting like your country is the worst place to ever exist? The situation for American women is nowhere as bad as it is for Afgan women. (yet)
they’re just getting into the government, be patient
JFC you don’t even live in the U.S. and you want to tell me that the type of people who would be happy to have American women in the same situation as Afghan women don’t exist here?
Literally can’t be more wrong
Imagine comparing the situation in the united States, where women have favorable hiring and scholarship status, to the Taliban state where women are literally property and not allowed to get a job or education under threat of death. Like actual death, not someone online telling you something rude.
We just elected in a man and party that want us to be the Christian version of the taliban.
There’s also many areas where women are treated the same in the USA.
Nah fam. I’m a woman living in Texas and I’ll take fighting for abortion rights and closing the wage gap here in the US over living in Afghanistan any day of the week.
Our situations are not even close, and I think you know that.
What part of the USA disallows women the right to go to high school or to speak in public?
I hate the direction the U.S. is going as much as any sane person but it’s a disservice to everyone to say that women in Afghanistan and women in the U.S. are treated the same.
Who compared the situation? This is about comparable view of women.
When incels have complete control, basically.
It’s probably good they have basic religious differences or Republicans and the Taliban would have joined forces by now.
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Statistically speaking you are wrong. There are around a billion Muslim and a few thousands of Taliban.
“The Taliban declined to attend or comment.”
Well yeah, they don’t think a person was talking.
Really how is this news? The Taliban don’t think woman are people, and water is wet.
We armed the wrong sex in Afghanistan…
She’s fearless and relentless… I really hope nothing happens to her.
She can change taliban to Islam at large. Other Arab countries would be doing it to if they thought they could get away with it.
You think the Taliban and Pakistan and Afghanistan are… Arab? Why don’t you believe that they are Pashtuns?
Other Arab
Didn’t tell on yourself until the second sentence this time, well done
It’s not “Islam at large”, look at Iran pre-revolution, or Iraq under Saddam Hussein. They had a multitude of problems, but Islamic fundamentalism wasn’t one of them.
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You don’t even need to leave Afghanistan. Afghanistan before the Soviets invaded was a very different place.
https://www.cnn.com/2014/06/05/asia/gallery/afghan-women-past-present/index.html
Hey according to some that’s okay, because at least they know what a woman is:
That’s okay I’m sure her fellow “women’s rights” defenders wouldn’t do something awful like make fun of Malala’s experiences:
Jfc people are gross
Ofcourse JK Rowling likes that first tweet. What a vile piece of excrement
J.K. Rowling invented “fragile femininity.”
She loses her shit any time anyone tries to broaden or complexity the narrow little definition she is stuck on. She just can’t handle it. A woman has to mean exactly what she says it does, or her femininity is under attack. Such an asshole.
You seem like person who can handle it. What’s a woman then?
Woman is a gender identity which is a socially constructed notion. Whether you’re a trans woman or a midwestern blonde beauty queen, it’s just as much of a made-up complex. It can and does have different meanings in different cultures and contexts. It is distinct from any clinical criteria such as genitalia, chromosomes, etc - it has never been able to be mapped to any of those cleanly so I don’t try. You have the genitalia you have, which is none of my concern. You present yourself as a woman, then that’s how I’m going to take you.
Because I’m pretty open minded I am willing to support multiple answers to this question as valid. However tolerance comes into a conundrum when it comes to tolerating intolerance. I tend to resolve this by not tolerating intolerance, hence my disgust for JKR. If you want to attend the party you have to agree to have fun with everyone there. If you’re going to object to some guests being present, fine, and you can leave. That’s my policy in my house, and that’s my policy for the bigger picture too.
Same argument could said about Race then, it’s also a “social construct notion” right?
100%.
People have different hair and skins colors and skull shapes and hair types and they may share some or many or none or one of these genes with this person and these other genes with that person.
But the idea that there are these huge groups of people who are some kind of “species” is ridiculous and unsupported. People club together with others of their skin color because families share more genes and everyone has fear of The Other.
That’s it. “White” for example is the most fake bullshit concept in history. I’m the son of an Arab but he happens to have blue eyes so I pass as “white.” Italians in the US used to be considered some kind of dark skin other but then over time they magically became “white.” At some points in some places, Japanese were considered “white” but Chinese were not. You might think someone is “white” but then you find out they’re Jewish and you scratch your head and say “huh… are Jews ‘white?’” And you don’t actually know.
Because it’s totally fucking made up. People will dress it up as “western civilization” or whatever the fuck but it’s entirely invented. It has a very real effect, mind you, but there’s no actual there there. Entirely a mirage. There is more genetic diversity in Africa than the rest of the world combined many times over.
Then would be okay for a “white” skin person to claim that they’re “Black” and say the N-word etc right?
There’s very few labels for groups of people that aren’t social constructs. Ethnicity is also a social construct, for example, and it’s quite different from the nebulous concept of race.
ahhh the wonders of religion. humanity’s self-induced blight
It’s the sickness and its own cure! Just like other drug addictions.
Why do you jump to religion and not simply conclude that the Talibans are massive incels? You do realize that out of two billion Muslims only the Taliban are doing this shit right? Malala is calling them un-Islamic for a reason.
religion is in itself a ridiculous premise, and the type is largely irrelevant (islam/christianity).
they are a disease that should be eradicated. humanity will never move forward with such archaic ideas.
It also specifically should be mentioned how Judaism is a disease. People think Judaism is somehow “better” or “more tolerant”, as a Jewish person myself I can personally confirm that Judaism is just as capable of oppression and violent hatred (just look at Ben Gvir).
religion is in itself a ridiculous premise, and the type is largely irrelevant (islam/christianity).
Okay I’ve seen militant atheism, but this is even beyond that. This is actually fucking stupid and you should learn literally anything about Islam before you make these moronic claims.
Dude there’s no point trying to engage reddit atheists
all religions were created by con artists. theyre just tools used to control other humans. its nothing more than that.
islam itself founded by a pedophilic warlord. volume of the indoctrinated is irrelevant. kinda funny how the best predictor of which of these cults any particular human follows is geography.
Just ignore this troll. You’re giving him a platform.
kinda funny how the best predictor of which of these cults any particular human follows is geography.
Do you understand how moronic you’re sounding right now? If I was atheist this would embarrassing to read.
I’m an atheist. It’s not.
I mean the other guy seems to not understand that ideas spread geographically so yeah, not a good look.
o0o0 sick burn. hard to refute reality.
every holy book has been written by humans with something to gain in their use. christianity responsible for some of the largest swaths of dead humans in the crusades. the bible crafted by carefully selected passages by humans across millennia. even modern bullshit like mormonism and scientology, created by documented con artists. but oh no, yours is the ‘one true’ religion.
all religions are false Except yours, right? cuz yours is somehow special?
Ok will you be consistent and mention the same of other ideologies that have wreaked havoc? By the way you associate things you have to acknowledge the death and destruction brought upon by secular and atheist states from colonialism to modern day imperialism.
I’ll list some examples of states that caused a lot of death and destruction:
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USSR a secular atheist state that killed millions and committed ethnic cleansing. (One ex. Is what they did in Kazakhstan)
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USA and France and their invasion of Vietnam
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All that was done by secular states in the colonial era
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all that is being currently by secular states in the neo colonial era
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US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Russian invasion of Ukraine
I can keep going.
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Because their religion literally teaches them to treat women like shit?
And it’s not only them doing this. They all have shit women’s rights records.
They all have shit women’s rights records.
I’m sure this is a well-researched claim and not something you just made up, but let’s not get into that.
And it’s not only them doing this.
Literally no Muslim country in the world is as insane about oppressing women as Taliban Afghanistan. And that includes even the notorious ones like Iran. Nothing in Islamic beliefs or the behavior of Muslim countries resembles the ridiculousness of Taliban policies, and you should learn at least that before you shit on other people’s cultures.
Look at Rojava in Kurdistan (you did say “all” Muslims, no taking that back). It’s like saying the Christian religion is the reason the crusades were bad and not because they were violent men with horrible ideas. Innocent people worship innocently. I don’t like jihadists or Islamic nationalists or caliphates either, but I at least don’t attribute that to Muslims entirely, just the stupid ones. Most people don’t understand the difference between those who just want to be Muslim (look at Islamic people in Kurdistan and, yes, even Israel who has many religions living together relatively peacefully to the US) and those who want jihad and intifadas and Islam-directed oppression via the state. That’s because you believed the propaganda.
There are religious nuts in Islam. They are jihadists. Hamas was the suicide bombers back in the 2000s. The taliban, ISIS, ISIL, Al-queda, the Houthis, Al-Shabaab, etc etc. They are all Islamic nationalists. It’s like seeing an American and assuming they’re transphobic just because MAGA is.
She criticized their policies banning Afghan girls from education and work as “gender apartheid” and un-Islamic.
Says right there it is opposite of what the religion teaches?!
At least wait until there is an article that confirms your bias to spit your poison, dude.
well, it isn’t, so that’s that
Religion is not what religion teaches.
Look what they do, not what they say.
I look at neither. I look at what the scripture says.
then you should already know it isn’t.
Then you are a fool.
Traffic regulations tell drivers to stop at red lights. Dude sees some cars run red lights and goes on hating traffic regulations saying they encourage running red lights. Random guy points out the absurdity but gets called a fool.
Well, what can I say? Have a nice day, dude.
I can assure you that misogyny is not a result of religion, religion is just used to excuse it.
And because it’s excused it’s allowed to exist.
Ah yes, but other ideologies which have been destructive are not? I hope you’ll be consistent in pointing out the secular states of today continue to wreak havoc, death and destruction in the middle east and Africa. (Let’s not forget colonialism)
And the secular atheist communist states of Russia and China, those didn’t commit ethnic cleansing and killed millions of people?
I’ll just mention the destruction that the USSR brought to Kazakhstan that lingers to this day as an example.
Headline/statement improvement note for your online discussing:
“Taliban do not understand that women are human”, or “Taliban continue to refuse to acknowledge that women are human”.
Don’t imply a possibility of correctness that isn’t there.
Rule 1 in this community includes, “title must match the article headline.” OP did as we request.
What do hamas think of women?
A lot better than the Taliban, that’s for sure. The Taliban are a whole thing on their own when it comes to women’s rights.
Fair enough. Don’t disagree on the taliban.
Is this supposed to be some gotcha that justifies Israel’s genocide? Because what does Israel think of all of the women they are killing? And in Syria as well.
No, but there’s nuance. Hamas is not worth supporting under any circumstance. I believe the Arabs and Muslims in Gaza and the West Bank should be able to live peacefully with all non Arabs and non Muslims in the region. Hamas does not want that. Hamas does not want peace with non Muslims, especially Jews.
Hamas does not want peace with non Muslims, especially Jews.
They do, though. Setting aside the fact that there are Christians living peacefully in Gaza, Hamas updated their charter in I think 2017 to reflect that. It has always been Israel rejecting peace deals, not Hamas.
Can you point to any of the Hamas supporters on Lemmy? I have yet to meet one.
Look at the other replies here, I posted sections of Hamas’ 2017 peace document which explicitly states their right to jihad and I got “yeah, jihad is fine” from someone. People defend Hamas here.
What you got was a definition of jihad you disagree with. That is not the same thing.
Jihad means “struggle” in Arabic. That has a broad range of interpretations. You deciding it must mean violence and only violence is the issue here.
I know what it means, I understand it means to struggle. They use it in a violent context, it is not misinterpreted.
Please do demonstrate that, because the images you shared talk about armed resistance, which means that if they get attacked, they’re going to fight back. That’s as close as it gets to what you’re saying.
I don’t know, all I am saying is I do not support Hamas. You brought up Israel. Not sure why. I say look to the people in Kurdistan and Rojava. Those are governments who know how to help their people and protect Muslims and Jews and Christians and all other creeds. Jihadists Islamists do not believe in peace among nations and people.
I’m an anarchist so I don’t care for the Israeli state or Palestinian state. States are inherently evil. We can see evidence of that on October 7th and beyond. Heck look at all of those intifadas and wars in the decades before October 7. Thus, look to Rojava.
Also, as an anarchist, yours was a shit take.
I do not support Hamas. I support the people in Gaza who want peace with all people in the region like the Kurds do. Anyone in Gaza who wants to establish a region like Rojava or anything that resembles Kurdistan then I support them. They are not violent. Hamas is violent and not worthy of supporting. The PKK has problems, and they are easily the worst aspect of Rojava. They are communists. Hamas are ethno-nationalists .
It was a shit take because we arent talking about Israel, you raised a non sequitur.
You don’t know why I brought up Israel when you brought up Hamas? Because they’re fighting each other right now and Israel is using it as an excuse to cause a genocide which has done far more harm to Palestinian women than Hamas could have ever hoped to have done.
Why did you bring up Hamas? And if you’re going to say, “because they’re Muslims,” why those Muslims?
Because Hamas wants to bring about a state that wants to genocide the Jews. Do you think they love the Jewish people?
That has nothing to do with the subject of this article whatsoever, which is about how the Taliban do not see women as human.
So how is that relevant?
There’s plenty to condemn Hamas for without making stuff up. Hamas has been endorsed a two state solution for 20 years now and said they don’t have anything against Jews, their beef is with Zionists stealing more of their land daily. And it’s not like Netanyahu has don’t much better; his party’s charter says a one state solution from the river to the sea and Netanyahu is unable to name a single Palestinian he likes even though the anti-Hamas factions have offered to work with him and he refuses.
I’d love any source on Hamas’ peaceful intentions towards the Jewish people
Literally their charter.
Yeah what do you find objectionable in this? Nowhere does it deny the right of Palestine’s non-Palestinian Arab residents to stay there.
It’s so telling that in all your replies, you keep going back to how “Hamas is evil” while casually glossing over Israel’s role in this genocide and their constant crimes against humanity.
Exploding buses from Hamas? No no no, inhuman. IDF forces dressing up as healthcare workers to go around unnoticed? Or Israel using civilians as human shields? bUt wHaT aBoUt hAmAs!?
It’s also telling that some 20 days ago, in another post, you wrote
If what Luigi did was terrorism then I support terrorism! Viva La terror!!!
So you do understand violence as a legitimate method of protest/resistance. But you don’t understand it for Hamas or any other Muslim groups. Interesting…
You Zionist trolls are all the same
Luigi killed an oppressor. Teenagers and old ladies that Hamas targets in their atracks are not oppressors. I’m not unaware of Israel, but Hamas does use human shields. This is a fact. Hamas cannot ever do this. It is inhumane. It shreds them of innocence. It makes removing Hamas impossible without innocent loss, and I hear you on wanting thay. If oct 7 resulted in only oligarchs and military leaders and politicians being targeted I’d be having a different discussion. If any intifada by Hamas had desired peace instead of total war, we’d have a different discussion. Hamas is as evil as Israel is, I agree.
So you’re really not even going to try anything else but “bUt hAmAs” in your replies, eh?
Luigi killed an oppressor
So did Hamas. But you keep denying them the same benefit of the doubt you give to this guy. I guess to you all those dead Palestinian people across almost 80+ years of occupation are not entitled to the same level of violence as a random guy who grew up with a wealthy family. You are really showing your true self with this replies.
Teenagers and old ladies that Hamas targets in their atracks are not oppressors
They are called casualties. And they are not directly oppressors, but they are without a doubt settlers of a colonial movement. They are in the line of fire because they went into a land that was not theirs.
I’m not unaware of Israel, but Hamas does use human shields
See my previous comment about your inability to reply without whatabout your way back to Hamas.
If oct 7
There we are. The classic Zionist propaganda coming through.
If any intifada by Hamas had desired peace instead of total war
It is not and it will never be a total war. A war would require at least 2 armies fighting against each other. This is a brutal and one sided genocide carried out by Israel. Period.
Hamas is as evil as Israel is, I agree
I don’t. The level of actions carried out by those 2 entities are not even remotely close. You just value some lives more than others and are trying your very best to condemn people that have been forced to endure a brutal ethnic cleansing campaing for the past 80+ years.
I’ve seen your other replies as well. You are free to reply to me, but I’ve seen and said everything I needed to say to such trolly (read Zionist) behaviors
I’m sorry, but Hamas is not worth defending. I want peace for Gazans and everyone over there. I hate that Jews were given the fucking shaft because of Britain and the Ottoman Empire. There’s just too much history here to even call this simply Zionism, it is too reductionist.
If Hamas dedicated themselves to disarming after and allowing all people to exist as a separate state from Islam, I’m all for it. Go Hamas if that’s what they want. Hell yeah, bring peace to your people, the Jews, the Christians, the atheists, etc. Allow them to vote in your society, allow them all to participate in government and practice their faith openly and without persecution.
They do not want this. They want an Islamic state guided by Islamic faith to rule over the land of Judea/Israel/whatever. I do not desire this.
They do not want this
They actually do. And they have said so multiple times.
They want an Islamic state guided by Islamic faith to rule over the land of Judea/Israel/whatever
Oh wow, so now you’re just going full Islamophobic again, uh? Let me know when you have a reply based on reality and not scary ideas you pulled out of thin air to further victimize the people enduring a genocide
Look at any of my other comments man, you will absolutely see I love my Muslim brothers and sisters. I even say I am okay with the spread of Islam and the Arab ethnicity, I just don’t support it via state or violent means (I don’t support in theocracy or ethnostates).
I am against nationalists of all religions and political ideologies. Hamas is not exempt from this.
What do hamas think of women?
What does Israel think of all the women they raped and killed then? And what does it think of children too, since they killed more children then any other country in 2024?
Gtfo with your Zionist talking points
Where is my love for the Israeli state? I believe all peaceful people should be allowed to live, and there are lots of peaceful people in Gaza and the West Bank and Israel/Judea whatever you want to call the place. Nationalists over there are not peaceful.
Are you aware that Hamas is the only reason people in Palestine have water and electricity?
I’ll say it again, you’re just using Zionist talking points. And it takes a special kind of entitled person to tell a group of people being ethnically cleansed how they should act and how they should be “mOrE pEacEfUl” while being the victims of genocide
I think the people of Palestine should implement a state like Kurdistan and abandon their ties with Hamas. I support Hamas as much as I support any government who kills innocents in the name of jihad or any other “struggle”. Same with the Israeli government. I support them as much as I support Hamas. I support the people of Judea/Israel/whatever you want to call that hunk of land more than I support any of their governments.
I’ll post my (edited) comment again for all to see since the mods thought it was too uncivil in its previous version.
I think the people of Palestine should implement a state like Kurdistan and abandon their ties with Hamas
And how exactly are they supposed to do any of that while being bombed? Or while Israel doesn’t allow them to leave their internment areas? Or while dismissing any ceasefire proposal? What you’re saying is impossible because Israel doesn’t want it to happen. And I find gross how in all of this you keep putting the blame on Hamas instead of Israel, the one with the money, power and influence in all of this
I support Hamas as much as I support any government who kills innocents in the name of jihad or any other “struggle”
So to you being the victims of a genocide is just another “struggle”. Thanks for making clear to us the kind of person you are. You’re definitely not the victim of Zionist propaganda /s. But sarcasm aside, I’ll stop interacting with you now. There is only so much victim-blaming I can stomach in a day
The word “chattel” sometimes gets used in conversations like this one, and I think we should stop doing that. It’s a confusing word that most people don’t understand, and is often confused with “cattle” ie cows. I mean just look at this definition:
Chattel is a catch-all category of property associated with movable goods . At common law , chattel included all property other than real property . Examples include leases, animals, and money.
TBH I think “livestock” is a better word all around. It means live animal property, which is accurate. People know what it means. And it has the right negative connotations, too: associating human beings with pigs and chickens, as if they’re on the same level.
The f’n MAGAts and the Taliban share a lot in common.
Capitalists are more efficient than both.
They don’t see almost anyone as human.
capitalism is what broke up gender norms; if a woman or a man presses a button for 8 hours what does a capitalist care?
Haha I’m going to assume the comment wasn’t giving the Taliban or Ya’ll-qaeda a pass with a whataboutism.
They don’t see almost anyone as human.
But it’s okay you can drop the “almost”. To them, humans are just another speculative resource that responds to market manipulation! XD
There’s a reason they call 'em “Ya’ll-Qaeda” lol
The dichotomy of the west running a literal concentration camp in Gaza and then taking the moral high ground on Afghanistan as if that is where human life is not valued is hillarious.
Religious bigots in power, what to expect?
I’m sure that women don’t see the taliban as being human either. Wonder which one of the two will survive the other’s inevitable extinction.
