The German car-maker says its “optional power upgrade” is designed to give customers more choice.
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I will never buy a vw again, that is a fact.
Skip all of those brands. Škoda too.
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Yet people in my extended family keep buying them. They are people who are well off, too, so they could buy something nicer. They bought a trailer home for $30,000 to use for vacationing ffs, might as well invest in a nice car so they don’t have to buy a new one every 3–5 years because it rusts to shit.
This is partially my envy talking, but still, I don’t get it. I have a nicer car and my household makes less. Makes no sense.
they aren’t even good cars anyway. they’re shit.
When we start decent seeing vehicles at a decent price again
These exist, they’re just not in the USA. Look at what companies like BYD and Xiaomi are doing in practically every developed country except the USA. The entry-level BYD Dolphin is just under AU$30k (US$19k) in Australia, including taxes. Xiaomi have a sports car for around US$40k.
When we start decent seeing vehicles to a decent price again,
I don’t know about the Volkswagen ID.3, but in general, I think that car prices have tended to come down slightly over the years. I was in a conversation earlier about car prices earlier (talking about how truck prices had greatly increased).
If you go back 20 years, take a pretty plain-Jane standby, the Toyota Camry:
https://www.kbb.com/toyota/camry/2005/
2005 Toyota Camry pricing starts at $4,091 for the Camry LE Sedan 4D, which had a starting MSRP of $20,515 when new.
That’d be $33,934.10 in 2025 dollars.
A 2025 Camry has an MSRP of $28,700.
Pickup trucks — which are considerably more expensive now in the US than they were a few decades back — are an exception to this, but there are other factors going on there.
EDIT: Though tariffs may wind up driving prices up.
Fuck that noise.
What happens if the car goes out of range from the internet? Does the car just lose power the same way I can’t play Gamepass games offline?
I already bought the car with the hardware in it. I will do what I want with it.
My next car will be a 1995 Honda. I’m so tired of being tracked all the time.
You can bump 10 years ahead, my car doesn’t have tracking 😄
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You can play GamePass Ultimate games offline, though.
No, I’m serious. I’m not arguing with you, I promise.
Oh I wasn’t aware. Each time I try to open a game before my Xbox connects to the internet, I get an error.
Connect to the Internet, download the games you want and then go into settings and take your console offline.
The initial setup requires some settings tweaks but after that it’s smooth sailing.
Also, VW can suck a fat one.
The future is a fucking farce.
Psych! You thought you were gonna get star trek style utopia, while we’ve been descending into fascist dystopia for several decades!?!
Our Startrek future is the Ferengi Empire.
Turns we’ve been in the mirror universe all along.
Woo! Techno-feudalism!
I’m still holding out hope for cyberpunk. At least it comes with skylines and cool back alley markets.
And cybernetics that won’t play adds in your brain until you have a seizure!. Seriously settings like cyberpunk and shadowrun are starting to look good by the standards of what we’re heading for. (Shadowrun is also old enough that you could actually just barely survive on a part time job without sharing an appartment even in the dystopia)
The difference is whether there’s any room outside the system to exist in, right? Can you jailbreak your implant? Can you live in a shitty illegal slum, or are they all carefully dispersed before they can begin?
It’s all about technologies of control. Ironically, the places seeing democratic backsliding are not the only or even the main ones developing and implementing them.
Officially never buying a VW, BMW, Tesla, Or Mercedes. Who else tried this shit? Toyota, right?
I dunno if Toyota ever paywalled performance, but they definitely paywall features. My '15 Lexus requires a subscription service to use remote start. Its app based and relies on the car’s 2g cellular card so it doesn’t even work anymore.
My '24 Chevy does this, too. Lock, unlock and remote start apparently route through OnStar, so using those requires an OnStar subscription.
Yeah mine requires the Toyota Safety Connect or some such, I’m pretty sure it’s just their implementation of OnStar.
Ford just gives you this for free. But inevitably my 5g cellular connection will age out on my 2019 Mustang. No coats for all of the added features. Ford gets a pass by my book.
Kia has a subscription service for the ability to set remote start options. They can get fucked, too.
My Subaru had a paid app that included the remote start option. Fuck them all gently with a chainsaw. I paid for the fucking car, I want the whole fucking thing.
The intent is to provide
playersowners with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking differentheroeshorsepower.They came for the Gamers, but I did not speak out because I was not a Gamer.
Hey, we did speak out and most of us didn’t shut up since. Fuck EA, VW, BMW, whoever tries to push microtransactions.
I haven’t bought a AAA game for well over a decade because of this shit. I’ll bike and take a bus before I give in to it with a mode of transportation.
How does this even work? It’s like they don’t realise they don’t own the car once it’s been sold. What’s to stop someone just hacking it and unlocking it?
It’s all proprietary code. But in theory you could unlock the full potential if not more. If you can recreate their software. Ideally then also open source it please.
It’s like they don’t realise they don’t own the car once it’s been sold.
They literally don’t. This is nothing less than a war on property rights.
What’s to stop someone just hacking it and unlocking it?
The DMCA Anti-Circumvention Clause makes it a felony.
Meet GPL. These fucking cars are running Linux.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization
I wish Linux was enough to protect us from this shit, but it’s not.
What’s to stop someone just hacking it and unlocking it?
I assume that they try to make that fairly difficult.
I mean, modern cars are Internet-connected, have cell radios. If the vendor can maintain access to the car and can provide the initial trusted hardware, they can make it pretty unpleasant to modify the thing.
You also don’t need a 100% solution to make it financially work. Just need to make the level of inconvenience high enough that the bulk of people won’t do it.
modern cars are Internet-connected
This in itself is terrifying. It isn’t like they are going to provide security updates for your car for decades. Unplug that modem, no reason for your car to be exposed to the internet.
If you hack it warranty becomes void and you’re maybe in big insurance trouble if there’s an accident or your battery catches fire in an underground parking garage. Basically similar to how banking apps etc keep people from trying to use alternatives to Android on their phone. The boundary isn’t technical, it’s legal.
And this is why i’ll never own a vehicle with a cellular modem unless a jailbreak is already developed and there’s no regulatory/insurance issue with doing so.
You could also just pull the fuse for it, my boss did that on his vehicle.
You will own nothing and be… whatever, gonna talk here and there about this, spread the news, make them drown (as much as nobody me can do that)
This is grotesque. “More choice” is utter bollocks, they’re insulting our intelligence with this, or maybe they’re mocking us.
How about just let us get as much power as we can out of the car by pushing our foot down harder on the pedal.
This is a perfect example of “remove something, then sell it back to the customer”.
Exactly. I actually own the vw id3. And I’m furious about it. I paid like 14000 euros. And now I need to buy soon an additional subscription, for… to keep remote access available for enabling the airco via the app.
So it’s much more then just subscription for ‘increase power’.
The remote control is at least tolerable because VW does need to provide every car with cellular network connection and servers to make this happen.
Car power is completely different because it’s a one time change. If I’m their PR, I’ll do something like: VW has successfully tested new performance settings for VW ID.3 that helps to improve acceleration and driving. Upgrade is available at authorized workshops (of course with cost).
designed to give customers more choice.
They are surely going to feel a sense of pride and accomplishment.
When buying isn’t owning …
This is despite a wider embrace of subscriptions in general…
I’m not sure this is the right conclusion. What seems like a “wider embrace of subscriptions” may be happening because subscriptions are becoming harder and harder to avoid. We don’t like them; they’re being forced on us. That’s an important difference.
I also think this is misusing the current statistics and drawing wrong conclusions.
Nobody is asking for these kind of subscription models.
In France, people who have VW cars are not the best or brightest drivers. It could work.
In France, people who have VW cars are not the best or brightest drivers. It could work.FTFY
VW are garbage, have been since, well, forever.
70’s VW factory replacement parts were so bad you’d get water pumps with incompletely drilled mount holes.
Today, the electrics do dumb things like combine the AC control with the power window controls in a box in the drivers door. You know, an area that will deal with moisture.
Drive down the road and note how often a VW has an entire taillight that doesn’t work.
Their electrics are shit. (Other brands have their own issues, American brands are only a little better, or worse, depending on the brand and model).
Thanks.
UK too. The VW is the new Audi.
Whag do you mean? Of course they are… everyone likes not reciving what they paid for to only have to pay a monthly charge for it… just look at what people pay monthly for… they will so enjoy this… /s
They mean “…by management”.
WTF ?
So… Volkswagen is the next target for hacking ?
Thank goodness, my John Deere side hustle was slowing down.
