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The poll indicates support for the more aggressive position Newsom has taken in standing up to Donald Trump, particularly over a plan by Republicans in Texas to redraw their state’s congressional seat map in the hopes of winning more seats in midterm elections next year.
The battle to become the 2028 presidential election candidate will likely set the new direction for the Democratic Party as it struggles with net favorability at what one recent poll showed to be a three-year low. Newsom has not formally announced his candidacy.
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Please no.
Agreed, but this has been a long time coming
Uh… We’ve all been saying those exact words for nearly a decade*, over and over and over… And, this is all where that gets us. 🤌🏻
*(depending on one’s age/awareness)
And we’ll keep saying those words until someone listens.
Dont spurn the ones asking for a drink spurn those that hold back the water because it upsets their donors.
And we’ll keep saying those words until someone listens.
That led you to a guy in the White House who is clear he’s not likely to leave peacefully.
Are you seriously blaming Trump being elected on people asking for better representation? Wheres the connection?
No, I’m blaming people who only wish to vote for their perfect candidate for Trump being elected. If you look at the amount of Democrat voters who sat out the 2024 election then they are to blame. If they’d have showed up we wouldn’t be in this shitshow now, even if Harris wasn’t a great candidate.
There is a certain type of Democrat voters who can’t look past their own views and only want a candidate that aligns 100% with what they think, meanwhile the other side rallies behind a candidate that they themselves might also not like entirely, but they still vote for him. And then they win. Meanwhile the former get to say ‘Well at least my principles are still intact’ while the country crumbles around them.
FWIW, I’m not “spurning” anyone, gramps.
My fear is that the politics-as-sport metaphor has become too literal. He’s getting attention by hitting at Trump and more Democrats should be doing that, but his actual policies and stances are uninspiring and offensive. He’s another pro-corporate, pro-wealth, pro-status-quo white guy whose best quality is he isn’t Trump.
Welcome to every president since Reagan.
Completely agree. I long for the day I can finally for FOR something rather than AGAINST something.
On the other hand, not-trump is a pretty damn good quality.
On the other hand, not-trump is a pretty damn good quality.
Sad but true. I fucking hate that we are talking about this fucking asshole, but like that bullshit recall election in '21, I will hold my nose and vote for harm reduction. So fucking depressing. You think its gonna be Trump again? If he wants to stay in power, breaking the 22nd amendment, why have elections at all?
I’m having a hard time being surprised anymore. I wouldn’t blink an eye if those criminal dickwads found a way to try to get a third term.
Performative slime chasing the presidency like Corey Booker.
He’s not actually doing anything, and less than six months ago he was sucking up to Alex Jones and Charlie Kirk and telling them he agrees with them and the Dems need to move to the right on “social issues” like the existence of LGBT and racism.
Newsom is who the billionaires want, he’d be the worst possible pick for anyone else.
God I’ve hated watching the way that this shitshow has turned Newsom into the Dem’s new darling rising star. He’s just more of the same neoliberal shit that got us here in the first place.
Still, though, I’ll acknowledge that he’s at least publicly fighting back, and the more voices that we have screaming “this isn’t normal, this isn’t okay,” the better imo. I think he’d be a shit president, but in comparison to the situation we have going on now? He’d be a fucking dream.
I’ll acknowledge that he’s at least publicly fighting back
He’s not…
He’s making a lot of noise and saying he’s fighting back. But he got the Texas Dems to return to Texas so their redistricting can happen.
But Cali isn’t redistricting. Right now it might be something that people can vote if they want it to happen, and even if that vote passes it might not happen.
We’re losing actual battles because of his lies and misrepresentations about what he is doing in Cali.
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So…
It’s not guaranteed to happen…
But because Newsom kept saying it would happen, Texas Dems already returned, and it will happen in Texas…
But you don’t understand why this is a bad thing?
You don’t understand that Texas Dems should have never returned?
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People aren’t going to decamp for over a year away from their families because you demand it.
Decamp?
If they don’t have what it takes to fight fascism, why the fuck are they in office?
People (including their constituents) are being kidnapped and sent to motherfucking concentration camps, but staying in a hotel is too much to ask of them?
With standards this low, no wonder you like Newsom
If you think you would be a better legislator, then go ahead and run for office.
If you can’t be bothered to run, then you know why they are in office.
Fair. My intention was more to say ‘giving the appearance of fighting back’. My thinking on it was that it is, on net, better to have even an ineffectual example to serve as a reminder that dissent is a choice which both has been and remains available to us all. Your concern about the potentially performative nature of the situation doing damage by muddying the decision making of how that dissent should be handled, however, extremely valid. Hell, a misunderstanding of what was happening in California even skewed my analysis of the situation until I just looked into it more.
Either way, though, I still fucking hate the guy. I suppose I shouldn’t be too surprised, either; talking a big game and then doing exactly nothing while shit falls apart around you is a textbook Democrat move.
is a textbook
Democratneoliberal move.And people are actually doing things. They’re just not neoliberals so billionaire owned media won’t talk about it.
That’s my whole point…
Too bad cathartic gestures win elections, not logic.
We’re so short sighted and bad at making long term beneficial decisions. Idk how humanity is gonna survive
Thank God this is the top comment here. I keep seeing these posts about him and I’m just worried all the liberals are falling for his bullshit pandering.
time to vote for jill stein and give the election to trump again
damn, if only there was another option
How much have you done to replace First-past-the-post voting in your state? Surely someone who is this concerned with the spoiler effect is working night and day to address the root cause of the issue!
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
Newsom sounds like a typical Democrat then
He’s not a Dem, he’s a neoliberal.
It’s way past the time to stop pretending there isn’t a distinction. We can’t just let them keep lying about what they are, because they’re trashing the image of the entire Democratic party.
They don’t have the same goals, strategy, or process.
Neoliberals are fundementally different than Democrats. And now that neoliberals no longer control the democratic party, it’s time to differentiate the two camps.
From what I’ve seen, he’s further to the right than even many of the utterly useless center-right Democrats.
Out of curiosity, why did you reply to a comment about the importance of differentiating neoliberals from Dems, by conflating the two?
Because they haven’t left the Democratic Party yet, and though the party may be starting to move away from neoliberalism, most of its most prominent voices today are still neoliberals. Running Newsom as a presidential candidate would seal the deal.
Right on, just making sure there wasn’t a good reason. Thanks for confirming
I believe we’re at least a decade out from progressives being the main front runners for the party. The baby boomers are still in power because they vote the most, followed by Gen X who is even more conservative than the Baby Boomers based on the 2024 voter data.
When Millennials finally start getting into power and make up more of the voter share I could see progressives being the majority.
Alternatively, if we change the voting system in more states, like Alaska and Maine did, then we could have more candidates winning elections that are closer politically to Mamdani, AOC, and Bernie. It would enable third party candidates to have a much greater chance of winning elections as well.
No bgen xers are not. Absolutely no.
Millenials and zoomers are just as conservative.
In fact zoomers and millenials, the largest voting block now, went trump
Please enough with the age thing
For Christ sakes yes some older people, including me are more conservative, gen exers are cranky and want to be left alone. We are Not more conservative
It is a MONEY thing. Not a generation thing
Youbwongvsee progressives running the country until that is removed. EOS.
Fight the class war. That’s what the real issue is. Not our ages. . Edited. I am more conservative in things like fiscal repsonsibilty, not human rights, Nazi tolerance or any of that shit.
What’s funny is I find racist war mongers on both sides, screaming how had the other side is.
Um what?
Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, Kamala Harris, Andrew Cuomo, and Gavin Newsom are some of the major leaders of the democratic party. They’re still running the party as they have been for the past few decades. Maybe accept that and stop supporting the party.
Who is in a leadership position in the DNC that isn’t a neolib?
Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, Kamala Harris, Andrew Cuomo, and Gavin Newsom are some of the major leaders of the democratic party.
Because the neo liberals controlled the DNC for decades, and if reps didn’t vote for who the DNC wanted in those positions, the DNC would fuck with them and withhold the money that was stolen from their state via Victory Fund out of spite.
They’d fuck over any incumbent that went against them, even if that meant a republican kept the seat.
But the voting members of the DNC finally kicked the neoliberals out of power at the DNC.
The people you are talking about are still coasting off the last leadership elections in the House/Senate when the neoliberals were in charge. They won’t win the next ones without the threats from the DNC.
Does it make sense now?
This is important to understand and billionaire owned media sure as shit aren’t going to explain it, so if you have more questions I’ll try to answer them.
Who is in a leadership position in the DNC that isn’t a neolib?
The chair, who unilaterally controls everything for the next 3 years…
If you think he’s going to fight against progressives, look at the decade he ran Minnesota, it went from a purple state to deep blue and home to some of our most progressive House reps.
If Martin is a neo liberal who wants to keep progressives out of office, he’s so bad at it he might as well not be trying.
Logically that means the reason he was picked is the voting members of the DNC want to listen to voters again instead of screeching at them.
Quick edit:
But it seems you’re conflating House/Senate leadership with DNC leadership…
They should be separate things, but decades of neoliberalism has intertwined the two.
It’s going to take another House/Senate leadership election cycle to fix that, because the last vote happened with the old DNC.
I guess time will tell. Though I’d still rather go for real socialism than progressivism
I guess time will tell
Martin ran Minnesota up till the day he became DNC chair…
He’s not some random unknown person, there is zero indication to show he’s going to run the DNC differently than he did Minnesota.
If he does start fucking around, believe me I’ll be the first to call him out on it. But right now there is zero logical reason to expect any difference.
Though I’d still rather go for real socialism than progressivism
That’s the great part about Martin.
It’s not that he has a view of what voters want, and is going to try and make that work.
He runs fair, unbiased primaries, and whoever wins he’ll put the full weight of the party behind them in a general.
It’s why billionaires are trying to convince people they shouldn’t vote in the next dem presidential primary, and why it’s essential we counter that
The DNC/Democratic Party is funded by billionaires and corporations. They do the bidding of billionaires and corporations. They want to please billionaires and corporations. They engage in systematic lawfare to restrict parties and individuals to the left of them from having ballot access, way harder and with more cohesion than they ever have fought Trump or conservatives. The influential think tank Third Way wants Democrats to move away from progressive policies and small donors.
The DNC even elevated Trump and other far-right individuals in 2015 as part of Hillary’s presidential campaign. This is the same party that colluded against Bernie, with Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigning as a result of the scandal and courts finding that it’s legal to rig primaries.
The DNC and the Democratic leadership are both center-right. Why can’t we have a left party instead of making the Democratic party something it isn’t?
Ken Martin is hostile to progressives and individuals who want to change the party like David Hogg, by the way. Here is some leaked audio that sheds light on the situation.
And an excerpt from Wikipedia:
Later on May 12, 2025, the DNC’s Credentials Committee recommended voiding the results of Hogg’s and Malcolm Kenyatta’s elections as vice-chairs, citing a violation of DNC rules requiring gender diversity for party officers. An election to decide whether or not to redo the DNC’s previous election was held from June 9 to June 11, 2025. On June 11, 2025, DNC members voted to vacate the previous election of DNC vice chair. Hogg stated he would not run again for vice chair after the party removed him and Kenyatta from office.
They just crushed a person pushing progressive primary challengers on grounds of gender diversity and neutrality in the primary process, from my understanding. Under Ken Martin’s leadership. This is the same party that favored Hillary in 2016, but now suddenly when there are progressives challenging the status quo, Ken Martin proposed this rule:
DNC Chair Ken Martin announced he would propose changes to the DNC rules that would mandate its officers to remain neutral in all Democratic primaries, not just the presidential primary overseen by the committee.
The DNC even elevated Trump and other far-right individuals in 2015 as part of Hillary’s presidential campaign.
This is like blaming Biden for things trump did 2016-2020…
And when someone tries to explain that it was literally two different people who just share the same title…
You start yelling that “a president is a president and it doesn’t matter”.
I’m sure you think you made some great points, but it’s literally as ridiculous as not understanding “president” is just a title.
The only thing relevant to current DNC, is that they redid an internal election because the old DNC didn’t follow DNC election rules…
Which you’re apparently very upset with, you would prefer to keep the results of a fraudulent election?
Just saw your edit. Voiding the results of an election on grounds of “gender diversity” after several months was the current leadership’s decision. They voted on it in June, unless I am misunderstanding something. The election wasn’t “fraudulent”, it violated their rules and was called into question a month after Hogg started making waves. David Hogg was one of the key people attempting to reform the Democratic Party/DNC and he would’ve been well positioned to do that as Vice Chair.
I want progress. Hogg was crushed because he wanted progress, you can’t rewrite history. It’s undeniable that it all unfolded the way it did because leadership wasn’t pleased with him.
The DNC is not a totally different organization. Citation needed. Billionaires and corporations really didn’t want Bernie back then, and they won’t want progressives getting in office in the future.
Until the DNC only accepts money from small donors, and there is campaign finance reform (looking at Citizens United being overturned), it’s naive to believe progressives will ever have a shot.
Their cash flow depends on pleasing their masters, they won’t jeopardize that.
So who instead? Bernie? Jesus. You people don’t want anything.
At least this guy knows how to fucking fight.
And who does he fight? LGBTQ+ people, particularly trans people. He’s not what the USA needs, and he’ll continue the erosion of human rights and the corporate control of everything.
Fight anything that would help people
Not really. Everything he’s doing is window dressing that he waited 8 months to start working on. He’s doing better than a lot of Dems but that says way more about how shitty they are than it does how good he is.
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Set a reminder for 9 months from now then look and see which state actually follows through on that.
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SEE! The ONLY way for Democrats to Win is to be as RIGHT WING as Possible!
They’re the same picture… Blue? Red? They’re all the color of fuck The People.
People really seem to not care that he is transphobic… well guess I’m gonna die either way now. Wasn’t a good life, wasn’t a long one either.
Arm yourself if you can
We have to protect ourselves
Oh no
GCN OR GAVIN NEWSOME IS GREAT FOR RIGHT NOW CAUSE HE IS FIGHTING DJT (tiny hands) ON A NATIONAL LEVEL, VERY PUBLICLY. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST STOP TALKING ABOUT 2028 OUR ELECTION CYCLE IS INSANE. THE ONLY CHANCE FOR THE USA NOT TO BECOME A FASCIST HELLSCAPE IS A TRULY PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATE LIKE AOC. NEWSOME DESERVES OUR SUPPORT IN THE FIGHT AGAINST FASCISM BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN HE DESERVES TO BE PRESIDENT
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
Would I prefer a President Newsom to a President trump? Yes. Is Newsom trash that won’t actually change anything about how this country is broken or won’t change how corrupt the Democratic Party is, or won’t meaningfully improve Americans’ material conditions in a sustainable way? Yes.
People need to understand that what neoliberals like Newsom represent, is a perpetuation of everything that sucks about modern American governance. He might perform rhetorically in a satisfying way, some of the time, but he LITERALLY stands for NOTHING other than solidifying his own power and facilitating ’markets’. That’s it. While he is better at the speaking part of this job than some other Democratic Party leaders, understand that words are as deep as this dickhead gets. He and his corporate consultants will not actually improve anything, won’t meaningfully roll back fascism, won’t hold Republicans accountable, won’t reign in or regulate corporations, won’t give you healthcare, won’t stop the genocide, won’t fix media, won’t reform campaign funding, won’t build infrastructure, won’t prosecute business fraud, and on and on.
President Newsom would result in 4 more years of stagnation, followed by us voting in the next Republican fascist out of apathy.
The same cycle will repeat until we have a third party
Hey now, the previous Democrats haven’t been doing nothing…
They’ve also been building out the systems that the facists use, and reaching across the aisle in support of the fascists. That’s hard work!
The fascists aren’t going to get more tame and stupid either. Donald is the attenuated live virus given to us like a vaccine so we can make laws that prevent the next one from coming but it’s a test all of our institutions are failing horribly, so the next one is gonna blindside them again.
Its kinda weird that Trump is the alternative here. I did it too, but the fact that we are rolling over him breaking the 22nd amendment and then pretending like our votes matter at that point is kinda messed up when you step back.
If you want to see Newsome policy, look at PG&E. He talked a big game around 2019-2020 about holding them accountable after entire towns were destroyed, hundreds killed due to poor equipment replacement and maintenance practices. They were gonna be made public, fined into oblivion, etc…
He’s taken hundreds of thousands (could be millions) from them at this point and has not only created legislation to protect them against liability, but to destroy the consumer friendly solar buyback programs. He’s actually actively fucking residential rooftop solar in the state.
When people actually listened to how he thought on his podcast, they hated it. Now he’s flipped to this shit, and it’s working, and I hate it. This is where democratic national money will flow, into the rich boys pockets, rather than a dude like Mamdani.
Polls, especially before any campaigning are meaningless. They are a popularity contest. Those surveyed will select names that are familiar. Newsom is in the news, so he gets poll points for being in the news.
It means nothing about the future election. This is putting the proto-cart before the proto-horse.
The new poll, conducted by Echelon Insights, has Newsom in second place among potential Democratic candidates with 13 percent support, behind former Vice President Kamala Harris with 26 percent.
Good god. Enough is enough.
It’s so crazy to me that Kamala is even considered a candidate for the presidency after their failed campaign has led us to one of the most backward ass, malicious, corrupt regimes in US history.
Lefties: got anybody yet?
See, this is what having a national party can do for you. Getting some ink 100years out.
To be clear, I’m not supporting this particular candidate or messaging, but I am saying if you’re planning to spike the anti-fascist movement again, please have a plan, and a name at least.
We’re years out. Start now. Next September is too late to yoink the midterms. September 2028 is too late to complain about how much Democrats love teh geniside. Start Now. Have a plan and a name.
any anti-fascist movement spearheaded by out and proud transphobe and anti-homeless firebrand newsom is already spiked…
Nah he canceled that out by making fun of Trump /s
Sadly dnc and blue maga only care about that not his history of being barely left of an average republican
If only were barely left
If the DNC aants to win theg should put someone up who will do that. Mamdani is actively showing them what will hand them the win and Harris showed them what will keep them from it. They seem to be continuing with the Harris strategy.
Why AOC isn’t putting herself up for it and starting now I don’t know. She’s popular and well liked and has the right ideas, it would go pretty well. You’re right that whoever it is needs to start now, though. Of course, I did love that Harris coming up so late left the GOP completely lost as to what to do since they never really had a platform of good ideas.
I think the Harris campaign started by being greatly benefitted from not being chained down by Dem consulting groups.
Unfortunately there was enough time for the consultants (and, reportedly, Biden’s “people”) to force enough errors that lost a lot of that Big Mo.
Pretty sad to see all these bluemagas already prepared to lose and suck it up and vote for gruesome newsom. Why would the dems give you anything if you’re prepared to do whatever they ask of you anyway??? Hey boss I would like a salary increase but dont worry if you cant I’m gonna work here forever no matter what…
Let’s see if we get a competitive primary. We really haven’t had one of those since 2008. If Newsom can win over genuine challengers in a primary, then maybe he can pull off a win in the general.
Who gives a shit if he can win? Arguably its even worse if the dems get to run a candidate like that and still get votes.
Newsom is just controlled opposition.
Yeah, let’s put up another California democrat that’s too centrist to attract progressives and too California to attract middle America, it worked so well last time…
A month ago, I would have said the same thing. Right now though, he’s the only candidate I see standing up to Trump
I don’t particularly like his policies, but I want someone either very progressive, or willing to get dirty
The current regime is far too fascist for me to worry about whether someone is progressive enough
It’s almost as if the people who find Republican issues compelling would rather vote for a full Republican than a Republican-lite. Maybe if he curses while doubling down on Zionism he will somehow reach the 3rd rail 🙄
It only makes sense to those who only think hilldog and Harris lost because they were women not because they ran God awful campaigns
Biden ran an embarrassing campaign, but he had a penis so he won.
hilldog and Harris lost because they were women not because they ran God awful campaigns
They lost for both reasons.
She ran a campaign that was only I’m not trump and ran away from anything that worked. But yeah let’s only blame sexism…
I’m not only blaming sexism. I’m also blaming that she ran a shit campaign and lied when she said she was going to “prosecute the case against Trump”.
If progressives dont vote against fascism they arent progressive
If progressives dont vote against fascism they arent progressive
Agreed, if you are willing to vote for a Capitalist you can’t really be against Fascism. Good take.
