Politeness norms seem to keep a lot of folks from discussing or asking their trans friends questions they have, I figured at the very least I could help try to fill the gap. Lemmy has a decent trans population who might be able to provide their perspectives, as well.
Mostly I’m interested in what people are holding back.
The questions I’ve been asked IRL:
- why / how did you pick your name?
- how long have you known?
- how long before you are done transitioning?
- how long do you have to be on HRT?
- is transgender like being transracial?
- what do the surgeries involve?
For the most part, though, I get silence - people don’t want to talk about it, or are afraid to. A lot of times the anxiety is in not knowing how to behave or what would be offensive or not. Some people have been relieved when they learned all they needed to do is see me as my gender, since that became very simple and easy for them.
If there are trans people you know IRL, do you feel you can talk to them about it? Not everyone is as open about it as I am, and questions can be feel rude, so I understand why people would feel hesitant to talk to me, but even when I open the door, people rarely take the opportunity.
Where do you find the energy to just be alive in 2025? Things weren’t great for you before but now the reds are out for blood over being told to mind their own damn business. You people are going to be first line for the next round of gas chambers if the Nazis get their way.
And yet you persevere.
Just, fucking how?
love for my peers and allies, and spite for my enemies. i am made of iron. i will persevere. i will prevail.
This year has sucked but I’ve been keeping my shit together at least.
in-person non-electoral organizing keeps me sane
Every alternative is worse.
Spite.
I had to leave my home and family behind in a conservative state to seek safety in a liberal state with trans protections on the books. I’m still unpacking boxes and wondering how soon I will need to flee the country … It’s like rock climbing, everything is dangerous and you just keep laser focused on what is right in front of you. The stress keeps you in a state of momentum and can distract you and give you a sense of agency. When there are gaps when I can lose my focus, I break down. It’s overwhelming, but there is no alternative - you don’t choose to be trans.
I mean, the suicide rate is pretty high, relative to cisnormies.
survivorship bias is real
Don’t you think transitioning reaffirms gender roles and stereotypes? I’m probably missing something, but why isn’t being a really effeminate man enough, that there’s the need to take hormones and change your pronouns?
Don’t you think transitioning reaffirms gender roles and stereotypes?
No, because transitioning at all requires massive amounts of gender transgression that trans people are often severely punished, or even killed for.
I also don’t think it’s correct to blame societal problems (like sexist gender roles and stereotypes) on individuals. If it’s the individual’s responsibility to dismantle gender roles and stereotypes every single day in the way they dress and interact with society, are you doing it? If not, why do trans people carry a higher burden than you?
This also presupposes that trans people all become gender conforming upon transition, when in fact many trans people are also queer and/or gender nonconforming on top of being trans.
I’m probably missing something, but why isn’t being a really effeminate man enough, that there’s the need to take hormones and change your pronouns?
I’m a trans man and not a trans woman, but let’s pretend that says butch woman instead of effeminate man. So why couldn’t I be a butch woman? Because I wasn’t one. Seriously, people did not know what sexuality box to put me in before I transitioned. I clearly wasn’t a straight woman (no makeup, a mix of teen boy clothes and some feminine tops) and I was too feminine to be a butch lesbian, but not feminine enough to be a lipstick lesbian. And I don’t say this to mean ‘nobody accepted me in the lesbian community and I had to transition to fix it,’ because I never got any shit from other queer people over it. (And I’m not attracted to women regardless.)
So, socially not transitioning wouldn’t have made me any less gender-confusing to other people. And on the personal level, I needed HRT because periods made me suicidal, all the effects of T make me happy, and it’s my body and I get to do what I want with it. Male pronouns also feel more natural to me than female, so I see no reason to not use them.
Thanks for your perspective
Since middle school and throughout high school and college I got progressively more and more depressed due to repressed gender dysphoria, and starting HRT has almost immediately started reversing that. I had always been outspoken about how gender roles were stupid and never cared about using “women’s” things (like I shared my mom’s hair products and stuff), but none of that changed the fact that I was extremely uncomfortable in my body, and being perceived as a man was something to avoid as much as possible. If people made jokes like “that’s how you know you aren’t a woman haha” I would always fight back against that, but being compared to women felt like more of a compliment.
Plus imo anything a trans person does that could “reaffirm stereotypes” wouldn’t do that more than any cis person doing it. I’ve heard similar things from some cis feminists, where they felt that if they did something stereotypically “girly” it would be hypocritical of them, until realizing that the entire point was that you should be able to do those things if it makes you happy. Avoiding stereotypes can reinforce them just as much as doing them, since then it makes the people claiming the stereotypes as universally true seem like they have a view worth changing yourself for.
Gender =/= interests and personality. We all have a diverse range of those things and it’s never the reason we transitioned - our gender is something more core , abstract and personal than that. There are butch transfemmes, there are femboy transmascs. Many trans men I know were very feminine children (some are now very feminine men), I wasn’t, but we all had the same sense of wrongness in the way we were shaped and treated by people that all clicked into place when we tried to change that.
The reason trans folks may (but not always) cling to gender norms is often to pass better and stop other people gendering us wrongly. I love being a trans guy with long hair and nail varnish but it means that I get misgendered at my job constantly, which causes a conflict in myself because it doesn’t feel like who I am. Makes those things I love a bit less enjoyable :/
Many don’t even care all that much about gender roles or stereotypes, compared to the importance of the physical body. Hormones, surgery, etc. If it wasn’t about physical traits then usually someone would live as butch, drag queen, etc instead of the pain and expense of unnecessary transitioning.
Most women don’t want to be in a man’s body and having relationships, sex etc in an effeminate man’s body. Most men probably don’t want to be in a woman’s body forever full time, at work, sports etc either.
Femininity has nothing to do with my own experience of gender. I wasn’t feminine before I transitioned, I’m not feminine afterwards.
My very existence challenges gender stereotypes, and I wouldn’t have it any other way
I basically believed this most of my life, and it was a big part of why I never transitioned. I felt it was offensive to women for me to claim to be one. Even once I transitioned, I had a really hard time using makeup because I felt like a traitor.
Ultimately, I found reading Julia Serano really helpful. I learned that my fear of embodying feminine stereotypes was more about not wanting to appear feminine (even as a woman), and that ultimately this was more about an entrenched anti-femininity perspective than anything like feminism. I learned that makeup is pragmatic and useful, a way for me to alleviate dysphoria, to help me cope, and that I am not a “traitor” for using it. Being pretty and feminine is important to me, as a woman, and it’s not surprising other women want to be pretty and feminine too. They shouldn’t feel bad for wanting to be that way, even if not everyone woman should feel obligated to only be one kind of hype-feminine woman.
Regarding being an effeminate man: I have had conservatives tell me this, that I need to just live as a really effeminate man. I just don’t know what to tell you, being a man is not right. When I first transitioned, I didn’t care as much about the social elements. It turned out testosterone was ruining my mental health - I had severe depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation - all of which cleared up quickly after blocking the production of testosterone and getting on estrogen. Estrogen consistently makes me feel high, it’s better than opiates. Not every trans person is this way, but a lot of us are. It’s called “biochemical dysphoria”. In a way, I would have been willing to settle for having an orchi and living as a eunuch with estrogen supplementation - it would be a lie to say I was a man, and I would know that, but if I could have estrogen and live without testosterone in my body, that is most important to me. Living as a woman has always been important to me, but I never thought I could - that was a dream too far, in a sense. It felt like how I should have been born, but since I wasn’t, I resigned myself to living as a man. That estrogen will make me look like a woman and i am able to live and be a woman now is like going to heaven, it’s a dream I never thought I would live.
So, tl;dr I have to take hormones because I was born with a condition where my brain can’t handle testosterone, and I would have probably killed myself, and generally I lived a very low quality of life before HRT. I was a burden to those around me, and I transitioned for my health and to be a functioning person in society.
I think we all live within the language of gender, and trans women who have lived as men and are insecure in their womanhood often lean heavily into feminine roles as a compensation. I did this even before I transitioned, but it didn’t feel like I was contributing to a stereotype of women as a man - I was “gender non-conforming” then. But as a woman the very same behaviors become stereotypical. I like to cook, sew, bake, etc. and those were comforts to me before I transitioned, but are also important to me now. If anything, once I transitioned I felt more freedom to stop clinging to more stereotypical roles, and the more I can validate my womanhood, the more freedom I feel within my womanhood. Either way, I tend to make an exception for myself when it comes to being stereotypical - I figured being trans is rough enough, I can’t solve patriarchy all by myself, and it’s not up to me as an individual to overcome such huge social and structural problems. I like being feminine, and I am lucky enough to enjoy it now, so I will. If anything, I’ve learned to stop judging other women for when they are feminine, as a whole I have become more embracing of women as a result of transition.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I understand it better now.
Having a thread for people to ask stuff is a good idea
thanks! my only hesitation is that I don’t want to create a moderation burden, but I hope people will both be civil, but also willing to open up about their concerns, questions, and perspectives - I find the trans topic is weirdly taboo IRL (at least with people who know I’m trans), so it’s hard for people to have honest conversations and learn anything (and also, for me to understand what they’re feeling and wondering about).
That said, I notice this most with liberals and cis allies, people who wish to be polite and respectful are the most likely to not talk about it.
Conservatives and anti-trans people are more willing to share their opinions, but also usually less willing to listen or take seriously any information or perspectives that are presented. That said, I still have found respectful conservatives more willing to talk about trans stuff than liberals, and early in transition I found that more satisfying and helpful, it made me feel less alone and gave me a way to think with people in a way I couldn’t get from my liberal friends. That’s really unfortunate, I think (for lots of reasons, it’s not exactly healthy for me to be exposed to anti-trans views, even when I can see why they don’t make sense rationally).
respectful conservatives
Did you also find unicorns?!
ha, I guess so - both cases are relationships I’ve had for a long time before I transitioned, so there was a lot of good will built-up. Not claiming their views are respectful, or they are respectful to everyone - but at least they wanted to be respectful and polite with me. You have to understand that where I lived at the time, the ratio of conservatives to liberals was 7 to 3, in terms of voters (and probably more than that generally speaking). Ah the South 😅
They do exist in places where it’s just the default politics. One has to suspect that if they seriously learned and thought about things, they’d move left.
if they seriously learned and thought about things, they’d move left.
assuming religious and community ties don’t keep them from doing that, I tend to agree - I think most people are decent, and come to reactionary positions because of exploitation (such as religious indoctrination)
Community, status and not being economically punished are way bigger motivators than being abstractly correct, right? Nobody really goes looking for inconvenient truths. Unless those naturally nice, understanding conservatives start meeting a lot of very different people, like if they move, the worldview will probably stay put.
To be a little more doomer than you, I’d actually say there’s lots of people that go the other way as well, and go looking for a cult to join as an outlet for whatever nastiness is inside of them. Consider that in the grand scheme of things, monotheism and racism are both new.
Community, status and not being economically punished are way bigger motivators than being abstractly correct, right? Nobody really goes looking for inconvenient truths.
I do think being autistic might correlate with prioritizing abstract truths over social statuses that might be harder to understand or grasp the consequences of going against. It’s not uncommon for people with ASD to also be strongly invested in social justice, and I think these might be connected.
Unless those naturally nice, understanding conservatives start meeting a lot of very different people, like if they move, the worldview will probably stay put.
I think even meeting new people, they will usually just find some way to rationalize and maintain their current status while granting exceptions to those local to their life. My conservative friends are sorry that I have to flee a state for its transphobic views, but they personally endorse those views and also vote and donate money to further anti-trans movements. How they reconcile these views is a matter of rationalization, but they hold both that I am precious to them, and that trans people should be rotting in prisons and denied care.
To be a little more doomer than you, I’d actually say there’s lots of people that go the other way as well, and go looking for a cult to join as an outlet for whatever nastiness is inside of them. Consider that in the grand scheme of things, monotheism and racism are both new.
I very much doubt racism is new, I think tribalism is probably on some level a biological instinct: those closer to you have more moral status than strangers, and especially the people we can’t speak the same language as, etc. Taken to further extremes of “stranger”, we can see this tendency in our speciesism (the tendency to see humans as the only animals with moral status).
That said, monotheism does seem to be “newer”, at least its absolute dominance and spread can be traced back a few thousand years compared to what as far as we can tell is a much longer period before of at the very least an absence of monolithic culture and religion, usually animism was polytheistic it seems.
Idk if this fully explains the weird taboo you described, but I’m personally reluctant to ask people questions I know they must get all the time. It can get annoying/draining fielding the same questions from every second person even if they’re mostly well-meaning, so especially in cases where people can’t just not reveal the attribute/hobby/whatever I’m curious about I just try to remember the question to look up later.
Not sure how common that is, but if that’s the cause then what you’ve done with this post is the ideal way to bypass this hesitation imo; just being clear (even just from the context) that you’re choosing to talk about this and not just feeling pressured to explain would make the difference at least for me personally.
Anyway idk if this is relevant at all for you, but if it is I hope it helps :)
I have exactly one question which I’ve never found the right venue to ask, and because it’s about the internal experience, I would need to ask several trans people to get a picture:
When you meet someone who has your deadname, do you experience an initial reaction like you would meeting someone who has your ex’s name?
No one has my birth name. My parents made it up by combining their names!
I just started working at a new place, and my closest coworker has my deadname. Threw me for like half a second, but hasn’t been an issue at all otherwise.
I met two people with my dead name and a third who used the nickname I used to (think Christina/Tina) all in the same job. I thought it would be weird, but I realized that I never identified with those names, I just used them because it was expected.
I imagine it’s different for other people, but that’s how it has been for me
That wasn’t as much my experience but I never really distinctly disliked the name I used before transitioning, it just wasn’t what I needed at the time
That being said, my relationship with gender has ended up being very messy, and I now go by a different spelling of the name I used as a kid, so whether I fit into the umbrella of “trans” is complicated
hm, no - I don’t think it works that way for me, anyway.
My deadname felt very much like “me” and I lived as the wrong gender for decades, so one of the ways I adapted to that was to implicitly think about my deadname as not a man’s name, so when I met other guys with the name I had this horrible feeling like they shouldn’t have my name, and that’s not what I’m like, and so on.
When I transitioned and took a different name, the deadname within a few months started to lose its gender-neutral sense for me, and it’s like the name went back to being a male name without that dissonant feeling - which led me to mostly feel repulsed that I ever went by that name. It feels so wrong that I was ever called that, and so when I see or meet people with my deadname it’s mostly just a reminder of those feelings - that I went through this awful experience, but also that I’m so relieved I’m not that anymore (a kind of affirmation, in a way).
Is that what it’s like to meet someone with your ex’s name?
I don’t think I’ve ever met someone with my deadname, it is quite a rare name :)
For me it’s somewhere between that and hearing the name of a dead family member that I had a complicated relationship with.
Neat side note, not all trans people have a dead name. One of my friends had a gender neutral birth name and he just kept it. Some people get all the luck 😂
Yes, but that name is so distant to me that it no longer feels like it ever belonged to me. At best, it was borrowed.
I knew a woman who gets very anxious if she meets someone with her deadname. She couldn’t be friend with and tries to not speak with the deadnamed person, etc. I hope it’s better know.
I often meet people with my born name, I don’t really care. I mean, I met people with this name before changing mine so it’s ok, it’s a very common name. I have a friend named like that. The hard thing is to not react to the name.
Yes.
Do you prefer visual porn, or written erotica/smutty novels?
I don’t ask this both because of the obvious privateness, and because I don’t want to put anyone on the spot if their choice doesn’t align with what’s typical for their gender identity, but I do wonder.
Pre-testosterone was written, post is visual. Can’t explain it
As a child, written. Sometime as a teenager it became a mix (socially adapting to boyhood), but probably 80 - 60% visual, 40 - 20% written.
Now I find the ideas are more important than the visuals, so even when visuals are involved it’s more about the scene or idea than just the visuals. I would have said that was true before, but testosterone libido is more nagging and you don’t always feel like investing in such an unfulfilling activity.
Libido on testosterone was impulsive, animal-like, and disturbing to me. Like a cigarette addiction. I hated living that way.
On estrogen, it’s not that my libido feels lessened (in some ways it feels stronger, I swear it made me more horny, which I was disappointed by), but it feels less impulsive, more connected, and generally deeper.
I like the comparison of estrogen libido being like a hot coal, while testosterone libido is like quick-burning pine.
Now I find the ideas are more important than the visuals, so even when visuals are involved it’s more about the scene or idea than just the visuals.
So, what you’re definitely definitely definitely saying is men should send unsolicited pictures of a warmly-lit room sprinkled with drinks and candles instead of their naked crotch.
now that you say that, it is funny that men try to woo women by treating them like they’re men 😆
Fuck, the idea of some dude setting up the entire room too for that cozy, yet sensual mood in the room and positioning themselves to not show anything, but just to tease, to nag at your imagination and make you want to see more that is definitely WAY hotter than just a dick pic and now I’m sad that isn’t the way they try to get laid because it is so much better!!!
I feel like the need for a quick hurried scared to get caught masterbation experience favors quick and shallow. I think that if you can talk your time there’s more artistic latitude to explore the finer details. I feel like there’s be more and better porn of artistic merit that way
maybe, but reading erotica is already gives you that space - usually people can’t tell what you’re reading …
Interesting! Thank you.
Unrelated to being trans (well, at least I think it is), but I have aphantasia. Written erotica is basically useless to me, because I can’t visualise!
This is really interesting to hear, because I think I also have some level of aphantasia (I never picture anything while reading or normal thinking, but if I really try I can think simple images) but I like written erotica just as much if not more than visual stuff.
Do you mind if I ask what level of aphantasia you have, and/or if you think that’s related?
I have complete aphantasia. No mental sounds, imagery, etc.
But even so, I think I probably didn’t word my reply as well as I could have.
Stuff with genuine interpersonal interactions, with characters that have personality and feelings, that stuff I can read. But that’s because it doesn’t rely on the visual.
But if the erotica is just a verbal description intended to help picture a scene, then it’s not of any interest to me
I like Hentai manga best, personally. The story does add to the experience
When I was younger, I assumed that trans people wanted to transition because they felt their personality wasn’t their “assigned at birth” sex. And thus, because of society’s expectations that “men should dress and act this way” and “women have to do/be this,” a lot of people who didn’t meet that would be trans. But as I met and talked to more people, both trans and agender/genderfluid/etc., it does seem like those with body dysphoria actually feel uncomfortable in their bodies, and want a different body. But I’ve never actually asked any trans friends about it, because it does feel too personal, even though some of them are very good friends.
So, my question: if there were no gender norms or societal expectations, would you still want to transition? Would that answer change if surgery/hormones aren’t desired, and you instead do want to keep the body you were born with?
I’m a trans woman. I’ve never been feminine. No one picked on me because I was “girly”. No one secretly thought I was gay. My interests were geeky, but they were “boy” geeky.
I don’t believe in gendered personalities. People have genders. Personalites don’t.
it does seem like those with body dysphoria actually feel uncomfortable in their bodies, and want a different body
That’s often a part of it, but it’s not universal. There are many trans and gender diverse folk who don’t experience things through this lens.
if there were no gender norms or societal expectations, would you still want to transition?
Yes, but it would look different. The social part of my transition was important to me, because it influences how people see me. It shapes whether they see me accurately, or see me as someone I am not. My appearance can cause them to stick me in the wrong gender box, and that is something that I needed to change.
But if we existed in a world where there were no gender boxes, where gender was as diverse as people themselves are, then my transition would have looked different. I’d still needed to have addressed the physical aspects of my body. But socially? If my birth name didn’t automatically carry a gender with it, if my clothes and my presentation didn’t automatically carry gender with them, then my social transition would have looked very different.
Thanks for the reply, always wondered about that! Just the first time it clicked for me why someone just couldn’t be a male/female presenting person without going through gender affirming care. Thanks and wish you all the best!
So, my question: if there were no gender norms or societal expectations, would you still want to transition?
Yes. The evidence of that is that butch/masc leaning trans women and femme leaning trans men both exist.
Yes, HRT both improved my mood, and I also feel far more comfortable in the body it’s giving me. Fuck gender stereotypes, though.
Before I got top surgery (boob removal), being alone in my room with my boobs just there would give me dysphoria. I didn’t really have a way to exist in my body without feeling dysphoria after puberty started (although I felt it at times before then as well). Other people noticing and treating me like a girl made it worse, but being away from them didn’t make it go away. Periods made me suicidal, and that’s not really a public event (unless you’re having a truly terrible day).
Some trans people don’t like the ‘I was born in the wrong body’ explanation because it’s kind of overly simplistic. Not problematic or anything, just at the level you’d explain things to a child. Like, if you were born with a clubfoot or cleft palate you wouldn’t necessarily want an entirely new body, you might just want your foot or mouth fixed, right? Some people feel that way about transition, and I think I lean closer to that myself.
I can only speculate on what I’d be OK with if I didn’t need HRT and top surgery, but I will say a decent number of trans people, even trans people on HRT and who have had/want surgery, are also gender nonconforming for their actual gender as well. Not ‘oh they don’t pass,’ but for example lesbian trans women who specifically choose a butch look, or gay trans men who choose a twink aesthetic.
Yes, without gender norms or social expectations, I would still transition, at least medically.
Testosterone made me depressed, anxious, suicidal, anhedonic, and gave me night terrors. That was true for me even when I socially transitioned and lived as a woman full-time in every part of my life. Estrogen’s impact on my mood is hard to overstate, and those benefits happened well before there were changes to my body. This has been called “biochemical dysphoria”, and not every trans person experiences it, though it is common.
When I transitioned, it was mostly for my health and well-being. I had little hope of ever passing because I transitioned so late in life, so my goals were fairly minimal - basically I just realized I was a burden to the people in my life who cared about me (like getting those phone calls that I was in the ER again), and I realized being a repressed trans person might be causing problems for me and making me this way. I felt an obligation to do what was right by me, so I could be a better person for those around me. I underestimated the effect hormones had on mood and well-being. If I knew what I know now, I would have transitioned much earlier. I have no idea how I survived so long (looking back, I really almost didn’t).
So yes, I transitioned without the social aspects ever being the main goal, because I never was motivated by that primarily. I felt dismissive of gender (I even hated gender) and whatever gendered desires came up were a low priority to me. I would never be so selfish as to prioritize those needs over practicalities like holding down a job, or not being a hate crime statistic. It turned out my closeted cross-dressing wasn’t just about a silly desire to wear dresses and skirts, I didn’t know that.
There being no gender norms would actually be even more liberating. It means we’re not pressured into only wearing femme clothing (when going the estrogen route) or masculine ones (when doing testosterone).
It’d open up a ton of possibilities for cis and queer people alike; wearing skirts on warm days for men also, or wearing pretty nail polish, or short hair for women…
I would still want to transition. I was a very proud soft “tomboy” growing up, parents who encouraged it, had no reason to not be perfectly happy as a butch woman except for the fact I still felt a disconnect and dissociation from my body that I couldn’t place. I tried different pronouns online, put on a binder and suddenly I crashed back home into myself. Felt like I was in my body rather than floating around it and dressing it up and no longer felt misshapen like a crushed bottle. I still have shoulder length hair, still paint my nails, I’m just perceived and look a way that feels right to me now.
I also have a trans man friend I knew from childhood who was always very feminine, mainly in his love of dolls but also a very gentle and sensitive personality. Surprised us all when he came out really. But again, it’s nothing to do with our personality or interests (and there are loads of transmasc femboys too), it’s something more abstract and core to our sense of self than that
I know this is the place to ask but I still feel shy so I’m sorry first-hand. I’ve read that people transitioning with estrogen seem to get an increased libido than when they just had their testosterone libido, but did change how frequently you want to do that self indulgence to get a release or is it around the same frequency, just more intense desire? Also, did that make any changes to how you want your partner to touch you? Not just about foreplay, but where the actual play would be. Last question is did your prostate get more sensitive to stimulation from anal stuff or did it not change/got less sensitive? Sorry if this is too personal
I think this is all extremely variable from person to person and can’t really be generalized, including the libido thing. Transition brings unusually deep change, including to sexuality, but the way it plays out is extremely individual
+1, all of it is very individual and your mileage may vary
There are some patterns or common ways people are (like, it’s not exactly surprising when a trans woman doesn’t want to top and take a penetrative role in sex), but there is so much variation it’s best not to assume.
No worries, these are personal questions but that’s what I’ve signed up for.
The answer is that it varies significantly. It’s not uncommon for trans women to experience a reduction of libido on estrogen, but I experienced increased arousal and libido (much to my dismay, I wanted libido to reduce). However, I think viewing libido as just “more” vs “less” does not portray the changes accurately. Testosterone libido felt different, more desperate and animal-like. It was like a simple biological urge, like hunger or the need to pass a bowel movement. It felt imposed on me, and like a hijacking of “me”.
Estrogen libido was deeper and more meaningful, more emotionally connected and harder to just stamp out. Testosterone libido was like performing a duty, estrogen libido was like yearning, pining, burning lust. Estrogen libido feels right, testosterone libido felt awful (to the point where I wondered if I was on the asexual spectrum).
The further into transition I got, the more my dissociation melted and the more dysphoria I experienced as a result - and in this case, the more I experienced bottom dysphoria. I started to wear underwear to bed to hide my genitals, and I started to recognize when I was dissociating during sex, and trying to avoid it by opting to not be touched. I couldn’t stand being the center of attention in sex, focusing on me and my orgasm was very upsetting and usually I disappeared when this happened.
All this varies significantly among trans women - many of them feel no bottom dysphoria at all, and enjoy topping. Many of us feel varying levels of dysphoria, and either cannot use their genitals at all, or very little.
I was a middle case - I could have sex, but it required accommodations and working around my issues, usually by hiding the genitals and treating them more like female genitals (treating the glans like a clit, and so on). I found using a vibrator much more pleasurable on estrogen than before transition, and I really did not like having erections so I did everything I could to promote penile atrophy (but ultimately I didn’t have much penile atrophy - I would have trouble being hard enough for penetrating, but still technically could sometimes). This was all pre-op, obviously post-op sex changed significantly - I am finding I am surprisingly more comfortable now being the center of sexual attention, though I still have dysphoria and there are struggles I have to work around (like feeling my new genitals are like the old ones).
I’m not sure my prostate changed much at all, to be honest. I didn’t notice any difference, but post-op, vaginal penetration is prostate stimulating and featured more heavily. (Anal took more prep and time to do and could be painful, so it was admittedly done less frequently. Also, it could introduce gender feelings in a way, which could increase my dysphoria - sometimes gender-affirming activities can emphasize how much I’m not a woman, and can ironically backfire and make things worse.)
Sorry for making such personal questions, but I’m very grateful for your answers!! My partner wants to transition when he feels safe and the more he talks about it the more curious I’ve become about it but I was afraid I might regret it, but your experiences are really good to know beforehand! I think I’m going to experiment more with how I present my gender but I am feeling much more comfortable with stepping up to hormone therapy! Thank you very very much!! And once again, sorry for the intimate questions
no worries at all, and I always encourage people to start with HRT because it’s fairly low risk, can be stopped early if it’s not working or doesn’t feel good without any long-term effects, and can have such an immensely positive effect when it is helpful. I felt like I made a mistake waiting so long to start HRT, estrogen was life changing for me. Plenty of trans folks don’t feel any mood or mental change when they start HRT, though - so remember your experiences can be different.
Ok, this could really help us.
A friend’s now-daughter made it very clear what her new gender/name/pronouns were - great.
A neighbour seems to be transitioning to female but hasn’t in any way offered new pronouns.
We want to be supportive but not intrusive. Is it better to use “they” until they initiate/clarify? My wife said she’d ask their partner but I feel that’s trying to lead the conversation and could be pushing them before they’re ready.
Thanks
You don’t want to stigmatize or make assumptions, so it’s best to let people determine what they disclose and when, and to just respect people’s pronouns and self-identification.
Unfortunately nothing is universal, they/them can sound like a great way to politely handle the ambiguity, and it can still accidentally make someone feel bad, even if it’s reasonable and ultimately their fault for not disclosing their pronouns.
It sounds like your mindset and intentions are good, so just keep going with that - signalling you are trans-supportive will make people feel more safe and willing to disclose around you, but in the meantime just let people come to you and disclose. Using neutral language in the meantime is just a bonus!
Yes, they is a good default for anyone you don’t know the pronouns of, in general. And it’s great that you care about doing what’s right already!
Sorry for the slow reply. Thanks for your advice - it really helps as I’m very keen not to be a bystander in supporting trans rights in my country. It seems we’re at a tipping point and I want to be on the right side of history.
I had a rather ridiculous conversation with family just this week where an older aunt declared they couldn’t support “her” work colleague as “she” had indicated “she” would now like male pronouns. I ensured every incorrect pronoun received 2 correct ones until she knew she wouldn’t be allowed to get away with it :)
The way to approach this is to make it absolutely clear that you’re supportive. Use “they/them”. Tell your neigbour about your friends kid and how happy you are for them etc. And then just follow their lead. They’ll tell you what they need when they’re comfortable doing so, but you’ve just made it a lot easier for them to get to that point
I used to work with a trans woman who wa, a huge bitch, at least some of the time. Like actually shouting at coworkers for tiny mistakes, all-caps shouting in company chat at people trying to help with stuff, thinking she’s the smartest person in any room, that kind of stuff.
i’ve always wondered if she’s just a bitch or if at least some of it could be a side effect of hormone therapy? I mean, completely changing the hormones for your body must have some pretty dramatic effects in many areas and might take a long time until your body adjusts.
but a definitely won’t just ask ‘yo. Are you just a huge bitch or is it your medication’ in a corporate setting.
I guess there are multiple factors. I think the biggest one is just the personality of the person. But starting taking hormones is basically a second puberty for the body. Most trans folks do not become as irretable as a person in their puberty but if one has a predisposition to it, a transition may trigger that a bit.
It’s complicated, hormones can influence behavior, but most trans women who take estrogen don’t subsequently shout at people as a result. We don’t know what was going on with her, but it’s not just the hormones, even if they may play a role.
For what it’s worth, I became a much more pleasant, well-tempered person as a result of hormone therapy. Calmer, happier, and more social, and I attribute that mostly to the benefits of being on the right hormones.
For me it was the opposite, I became way calmer and happier once I started HRT.
Are there cis people that are angry and emotional all the time for reasons you don’t understand?
Well, it’s the same thing when you see it from trans folk…
Of course there are. But I mean, women’s hormones do affect mood during the menstrual cycle (my wife certainly says she’s more iritable before her period), and afaik the hormone therapy is some of the same hormones, so it didn’t seem far fetched at all to me that it could play a role. hence me asking.
but could as well have been some deep seated anger at the world or similar, or something in between. Mostly I was just trying to think of reasons for why she might not be as bad as she was seeming, benefit of the doubt kind of thing.
Interestingly, IIRC, one of the major hormonal factors in irritability during the menstrual cycle is a relative spike in testosterone levels. (Non-expert, could be wrong, but heard this once.)
Right, but if your wife was yelling at people all the time, and writing emails to co-workers in all caps, and constantly getting on peoples bad side, you wouldn’t go “Oh, she’s hormonal”. You’d probably assume that there is something else at play.
Same assumption applies here.
Neither trans men nor trans women become more aggressive due to HRT! Early on, you might have some mood swings as your body adjusts (you’re going through puberty after all) but my understanding is that because of the regimented way we receive it, we’re actually much less likely to get those sorts of shifts because our hormone levels are more controlled than cis peoples. But it also just depends on the person, T has made my partner a bit more crabby but I’ve chilled tf out. It sounds like this particular person just has a very reactive personality
At what age do you think it’s appropriate for someone with gender dysmorphia to make a decision to go through the medically assisted chemically induced transition process?
Ada already covered this.
“chemically induced transition process” is not the right language - you would do for a trans person the same thing you would do for a cis person undergoing problems with puberty, something that children have been safely doing for decades, and which cis children with precocious puberty continue to do even as trans children are banned from having access to the same care.
The answer to your question is determined through a discussion with a doctor, mostly with the aim of reducing the harm for a trans child of going through the wrong puberty, and that’s just whenever puberty starts in their body.
This pausing of puberty is the only care minors usually receive, it does not “induce [a] transition process”, it pauses a transition process until they are of legal age and can decide to undergo the puberty of their choice.
Here is a decent article written by a bioethicist covering how trans affirming care for minors came about, and why it is endorsed by every major medical association: https://www.openmindmag.org/articles/care-not-controversy
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At what age do you think it’s appropriate for someone with gender dysmorphia to make a decision to go through the medically assisted chemically induced transition process?
This is another one of those questions that exist as a wedge tactic designed to make trans people sound dangerous.
The reality is, the only medical option offered to young trans kids is the option to pause their puberty until they’re old enough to be responsible for their own decisions, at which time they can choose which puberty they want to experience.
And what time is the right age for that? Whenever they need to do it, because going through the wrong puberty is a traumatic experience.
Me and basically every other trans person wishes they could have started sooner
yes, desperately wish this - it is a nightmare that I went through the wrong puberty, and I will be trying to recover from this the rest of my life.
Trans care for minors saves lives.
When ever a doctor thinks is suitable
This is a good answer.
It’s not like doctors are always right, but they will almost always have a better understanding of how you can go about the process of transitioning, the risks of doing so, and determining if it’s the best course of action for you, given those risks, then refer you to specialists that know how to handle your particular case.
I trust a doctor to be right on medical issues more often than I trust a politician to be right on anything.
As soon as puberty starts, they should at least have the option to delay their choice with puberty blockers, and probably soon after to start HRT, if it’s clear it’s a permanent thing.
That’s my stance as well, although I’d start puberty blockers a little before puberty starts. So around 6/8 yo, and HRT around 12/14. And also without parental consent needed, a lot of trans youth have strict parents which damages their prospects on that.
Oh yeah, parents should not be allowed to veto their childrens’ choice at all
Somewhat related: Australia’s state-funded ABC channel produced a Q&A documentary show called “You Can’t Ask That” with an episode for transgender people. It might be harder to watch outside of Australia but it’s worth the effort. The semi-related Drag episode was also fascinating. Disclaimer/CW: I haven’t watched the full episode in years and suspect there might have been transphobia in some questions.
Official 2 minute teaser question: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GSilokmn8zI
(A couple of other countries had localised spin-off versions of the show but I haven’t watched them.)
That particular episode was one of the final steps in breaking down my own internal resistance to accepting myself.
I might have to try to find this, thanks!
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone mentioned the episode was particularly important, so if you can’t find a copy (Australian VPN and iView throwaway account is ideal, maybe streaming services might have it?), I finally managed to find it and other episodes in lower quality for quick and easy access 🏴☠️🦜 Let me know if you want it.
I feel pretty comfortable asking questions IRL because over many years I’ve had two friends who are openly Trans. But I want to show some support for the community, so here we go:
A train leaves the station at 9pm… 😆
Love and Respect.
I have a lot of curiosity about Trans and I’m impressed your so open to questions. I fear that my questions might come off poorly and it isn’t my intention, I just don’t know how to ask these in the best light.
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I see that you mentioned there are studies that point to Trans likely being a mismatch between the brain and body at development. But, do you think there is also a link that involves childhood trauma? Or is the science very clear?
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I often find myself uncomfortable with Trans people in person, but I often wonder if half of that is simply that I don’t know how to treat someone. The ones that I met that had relatively normal behavior I found pretty easy to talk to and I felt for them. But ones that were more complicated, say neurodivergent beyond dysphoria, or they had a lot of emotional trauma, made me very uncomfortable. Do you think most of this issue is that as children we are taught how to treat people that are squarely female or male, rather than learning how to treat people as a whole?
I often wish the world wasn’t so hostile, but I also find that some things that were set in motion in my childhood are the hardest to change. It’s easy to change what I act on, but harder to change how I feel.
Thank you again for doing this!
I see that you mentioned there are studies that point to Trans likely being a mismatch between the brain and body at development. But, do you think there is also a link that involves childhood trauma? Or is the science very clear?
Gender identity does not seem to be influenced by trauma, and we have decent evidence it’s genetic, though it’s a complex trait and there isn’t a single “trans gene”. Trauma might be more common in trans populations, but that is true for gay folks as well, it’s not that the trauma makes them gay, but being gay does make them more likely to be victimized and experience trauma. I myself thought that trauma caused my gender dysphoria (or the experiences I had, which I now realize are gender dysphoria), and it took a long time for me to learn there is good evidence trauma isn’t causing my dysphoria (part of this is that I recovered from PTSD, and this alleviated my PTSD symptoms, but did not alleviate my gender dysphoria).
Here are some follow-up articles and citations I have read, and which you may find helpful:
- Joshua Safer’s “Evidence supporting the biologic nature of gender identity” (DOI)
- Joshua Safer’s “Etiology of Gender Identity” (DOI)
- the collective research of Daphna Joel and Dick Swaab for the current scientific theories of “brain-sex” (which likely plays a role in gender identity and gender dysphoria):
- Joel & Swaab, 2019, “The Complex Relationships between Sex and the Brain”, (DOI)
- Joel, 2015, “Sex beyond the genetalia: The human brain mosaic”, (DOI)
- Swaab, 2008, “A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity”, (DOI)
- Swaab, 2000, “Male-to-female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus”, (DOI)
- Swaab, 1995, “A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality”, (DOI)
In a video format, some of this is broadly summarized in these videos:
On biological sex more generally I recommend these videos:
- Julia Serano’s overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZymYiwoRoC0
- Sex & Sensibility: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVQplt7Chos
I also highly recommend reading this literature review to better understand why trans healthcare is so important, but also why it’s not considered controversial in an otherwise conservative medical establishment:
What We Know Project, Cornell University, “What Does the Scholarly Research Say about the Effect of Gender Transition on Transgender Well-Being?”, 2018.
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often find myself uncomfortable with Trans people in person, but I often wonder if half of that is simply that I don’t know how to treat someone. The ones that I met that had relatively normal behavior I found pretty easy to talk to and I felt for them. But ones that were more complicated, say neurodivergent beyond dysphoria, or they had a lot of emotional trauma, made me very uncomfortable. Do you think most of this issue is that as children we are taught how to treat people that are squarely female or male, rather than learning how to treat people as a whole?
I don’t know all the reasons you have for discomfort around trans people. I can experience that discomfort too, and especially as you mention when there are other issues like neurodivergence (which is a common comorbidity with gender dysphora). Beyond the behavioral issues, I have identified in my feelings that gender clashing or inconsistency can bother me - a combination of a masculine signal like a beard and a feminine body like breasts can look wrong to me, and I suspect this is mostly a social norm - I have been raised in a society where being gender non-conforming is taboo. This is not unlike ableist perspectives - the ways that we might feel uncomfortable around people with amputations or birth defects that make their bodies not “normal”.
One of the ways to help with this is exposure therapy - being around or exposing yourself to positive experiences with people who are “not normal” can help acclimate you to those differences. It’s a long, hard process to undo that cultural programming, though - I have internalized a lot of transphobia, and that has made my transition much more difficult, as my body becomes “not normal” (the experience is akin to feeling like a monster, like being less than human).
So you would have to examine what about trans people is unsettling to you, there is a lot there to figure out - but probably it’s just your internalized transphobia (which is fairly typical, you shouldn’t feel especially bad for this - it’s not like you chose to be raised that way).
I often wish the world wasn’t so hostile, but I also find that some things that were set in motion in my childhood are the hardest to change. It’s easy to change what I act on, but harder to change how I feel.
That’s my experience too, and it’s a shame because a lot of things set in motion when I was a child are not adaptive or good for me or others now. 😅
Thanks for your questions and thoughtfulness, I hope I have been helpful. ☺️
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This is super longwinded but I’m having trouble putting the ideas together concisely, apologies in advance to anyone reading.
I generally hear people describe being trans as feeling like you were born into the wrong body, like biologically male with a woman’s soul in some sense. But my experience with being cisgendered is one of feeling like my spirit would belong wherever it was born to. I identify as a man and would feel out of place in a woman’s body, but if I had been born into a woman’s body I would feel out of place in a man’s. That’s my mental picture of what being cisgendered is. I’m not sure I’m articulating this great but hopefully it’s coherent.
That gives me the impression that being transgendered is an emotional discomfort, and I’ve wanted to hear an opinion on if the resistance to labelling it as a mental illness is because of the societal stigma against mental illnesses and how some people think successful treatment should always mean suppression and never accommodation (which would look like gender-affirming care if being trans counted).
Part of where this is coming from is I’ve been dealing with my own mental demons lately after some traumatic experiences in the past couple years, and the way I think about it is different when I’m looking inward. If it’s another person behaving strangely it is easy to say they are suffering and deserve care, but when it’s me I am a crazy person doing crazy things and I know better.
I do feel inclined to see being trans as a mental illness (for the reasons I’ve given above). I believe I’ll be open to hear what I’m getting wrong there. It’s not something I’ve ever been comfortable enough to ask though because I expect that statement to be received offensively (for the reasons given above). I get a lot less hostility in general over who I am and I still sometimes have a very strong gut reaction to perceive that stuff as an attack.
But my experience with being cisgendered is one of feeling like my spirit would belong wherever it was born to
The few cases we have of cis people being medically transitioned in some way without their consent suggest that this simply isn’t the case, at least for many cis folk.
Alan Turing and David Reimer are both examples of cis folk who were medically transitioned without their consent, one as an adult, one as a child, and both experienced severe dysphoria. They ultimately both took their own lives
So my intuition is wrong there, thanks. I clarified my question to the other guy just a minute ago to hopefully make what I’m asking more clear, (I didn’t fully understand myself tbh), I’d be curious to get a response to that.
I really apologize if it came across as hurtful. I was being overly wordy trying to be sensitive to how this question would come across (hence using this thread for it) and it didn’t convey great. It just seems like it would be very similar to the mental and emotional struggles I’ve gone through and comparing and contrasting to to my own experiences helps me understand people better.
So my intuition is wrong there, thanks
Maybe, maybe not. Your own intuition about your experience of gender may not be wrong. There’s not really any way to know. What we do know though is that at least some cis people have a strong sense of their own gender, that can cause dysphoria in certain circumstances.
The current science points to gender dysphoria being caused by the brain developing as one sex while the body develops as another.
If you ask whether someone is primarily their brain or their body, I think most would say identity resides in the brain and subsequent mind. In that sense, gender dysphoria is a genetic and hormonal disorder, basically a condition of yes, having the “wrong body” for the brain they developed as a fetus. This glosses over a lot of details and sex is complicated, but that’s the rough sketch. The condition arises from the brain and the mind, and in that sense can be labelled a mental illness, but that would ignore a lot of context and evidence we have about what is going on.
It is with this understanding and with the guidance of substantial empirical evidence that transition and gender-affirming care are recommended - it is the only treatment that alleviates symptoms (conversion therapy, for example, increases risk of suicide), but also these are treatments with a very high success to failure ratio. Gender affirming surgeries have lower regret rates than practically any other surgery, much lower than knee replacement surgeries, for example.
So we deal with gender dysphoria differently than we deal with other mental illnesses because of what we know about the condition. We know that people with body dysmorphia like anorexics feel distress about their body and might seek surgery to “fix” their bodies, but we don’t have the large body of evidence that those surgeries improve patient outcomes, relieve symptoms, or are low risk. So we treat anorexia differently than gender dysphoria, because they have different causes and require different treatments.
So gender dysphoria could be classed as a mental illness in a way, but it’s important not to be confused by this and think it’s a fabrication or that people with gender dysphoria could just think their way out of their condition - it’s biological and not able to be solved with therapy or anti-depressants. Trans people respond really well to living as their gender (go figure!), and we see the same with cis people who are raised as the wrong gender (like in the case of David Reimer). We also see that cis people who are forced to take cross-sex hormones, like when homosexuals were given criminal punishments of estrogen treatments in the UK as in the case of Alan Turing, that those people become gender dysphoric in the same way. Gender dysphoria is not just for trans people, forcing cis people to be on the wrong hormones make them depressed too - are cis people just mentally ill when they have symptoms from being forced to live and medically transition to the other sex? It’s not different for trans people.
Took some time to reflect, I communicated my question quite poorly and that is on me but I’m gonna try to ask it in a better way.
I feel somewhat strongly that trans-affirming care is the only appropriate approach to treating being trans. I have the impression that as a trans person you feel this is wholly incompatible with my sense that it is a mental health issue. I’d like to explicitly ask why my two beliefs are contradictory.
I’m asking because I am just in the past year or so suffering with severe physical and mental illnesses, and when I try to picture what the trans experience is like, I find that what I am imagining aligns very closely with my mental illnesses and not closely at all with my physical illnesses. I was extremely reluctant to accept that I have a mental illness because of both societal stigma and because in my situation, no one in their right mind would choose to treat my mental illnesses with therapy and pills when a change in living conditions would actually help enormously more, which seemed analogous to treating being trans.
That is what’s made me feel my two beliefs aren’t contradictory - I hadn’t understand how deeply I had internalized stigma against the mentally ill until I was asked to apply it to myself. I am imagining that other people would resist identifying as having mental illness in the same way I was. I picture the trans experience as emotional anguish with all physical threats as consequences of that emotional anguish. One where, also like many cases of mental illness, physical treatments are the correct option. But I don’t understand a way to liken it to my experiences with physical illness, so maybe it would be helpful to understand the physical danger and physical suffering explicitly.
I think there are extremely few situations where a mental illness should be treated as something to correct rather than accommodate without the patient being fully on board with thinking of it as something that needs to be corrected. In many cases, the only reason a patient would be fully on board is societal stigma and designed inaccessibility of accommodations, which is the impression I have of the trans experience as well. That’s the reason I don’t think of options other than trans-affirming care as okay.
I reacted badly because of recently surfaced mental health issues (blehhh) where I obsess over my character and respond to perceived character attacks as an attack on my identity even though I should just be listening. Your response seemed to focus on why I should agree with gender-affirming care and I read that as a character attack, rather than considering that you don’t see it as even possible to believe being trans is a mental health issue that should only be addressed by gender-affirming care. I was being overly wordy to try to be clear that I’m trying to understand how your experience compares with mine, and look, we’re back again.
Also I tend to read comments like that as a disgust and a need to distance from the mentally ill, and that’s something I very much need to work on because I know it’s not the intention at all. It stung more than usual in this case because I was looking to build camaraderie and tried my best to clarify that I don’t want mental illness to be an attack and that I am in favor of gender-affirming care.
This time I promise I will have the good sense to wait at least a few hours in responding to something that makes me feel bigoted. I apologize for being hurtful earlier and I’m hoping this one is less so.
tl;dr - The core stumbling block for me is this one - when I try to picture what the trans experience is like, I find that what I am imagining aligns very closely with my mental illnesses and not closely at all with my physical illnesses. I’ve elaborated way too much on why that is. I need to hear what I have imagined incorrectly, what I have overlooked.
There was something I wanted to say in response to your original question, but I forgot it because I was too impressed with your emotional maturity and self-awareness in your responses
I might edit this or comment again if I remember, but for now I just wanted to say I really admire you for that :)
I genuinely do appreciate you saying this, because I felt pretty bad about myself and logged off for a while.
We also see that cis people who are forced to take cross-sex hormones, like when homosexuals were given criminal punishments of estrogen treatments in the UK as in the case of Alan Turing, that those people become gender dysphoric in the same way. Gender dysphoria is not just for trans people, forcing cis people to be on the wrong hormones make them depressed too - are cis people just mentally ill when they have symptoms from being forced to live and medically transition to the other sex? It’s not different for trans people.
What I was getting at with saying I wouldn’t be comfortable switching now, but I would have been fine born into it is there there’s a shock that would come with a change from what you’ve lived, and that being cisgendered wouldn’t negate that shock, it would be miserable, but I don’t feel an attachment in the sense that I feel glad I was born a man. That’s what I meant when saying if I had been born a woman I wouldn’t be happy with the idea of changing to be a man.
So gender dysphoria could be classed as a mental illness in a way, but it’s important not to be confused by this and think it’s a fabrication or that people with gender dysphoria could just think their way out of their condition - it’s biological and not able to be solved with therapy or anti-depressants. Trans people respond really well to living as their gender (go figure!), and we see the same with cis people who are raised as the wrong gender (like in the case of David Reimer).
This is what I was trying to get at with the difference between suppression and accommodation, and gender-affirming care being accommodation. But I don’t think it’s fair to reduce all mental illnesses to being not biological and being “solved with therapy or anti-depressants”, I think that is part of the stigma against them. Some of them should be accommodated and not suppressed. Physical treatments are often more helpful than those things, different illnesses need to be addressed in different ways, not treated as a generic umbrella for characteristics society doesn’t approve of.
Sorry for not addressing all of it but I’m skeptical that you read what I wrote there because I explicitly spoke in favor of gender-affirming care as the treatment and your response reads to me like I was arguing against it.
It sounds like for you to understand the existence of trans people you probably first need to accept that other people experience gender and sexuality differently than the way you do
I’ll introspect on that. It generally takes me time to digest. I’m embarrassed here. But I do agree that gender-affirming care is the correct treatment. I read your response like I was not explicit about being in favor of it.
I think I should log off and mull on it because right now I’m just being an asshole. I’m a very slow learner and it generally takes a few days after I argue vehemently against something for it to sink in that I was wrong. I interpreted the first response like you thought I was arguing it should be addressed in a way other than gender-affirming care and responded like that was an attack, which is really shitty of me and pretty embarrassing.
Before I do that though, I’m commenting a follow-up to ask you to elaborate on if there’s something specific I can introspect on. I’ll read and think over the next few days.
One last edit:
Logging off is because I know this is an issue I have. Right now I don’t have much to be proud of other than my character, so in a moment I’m bad at listening and taking in criticisms that might suggest bigotry, because it feels like an attack on my identity. I’m aware that in reality I should be listening and not fighting, it just takes me an unreasonable amount of time and I act like a jackass until I’ve processed. Hence, logging out to introspect. Better late than never.
What I was getting at with saying I wouldn’t be comfortable switching now, but I would have been fine born into
David Reimer was forcefully transitioned as a child, when he was young enough to not remember. It created a lifetime of dysphoria for him, and he transitioned back to his birth gender as soon as he understood what had happened to him, and was able to.
Why are there virtually no FTM sex workers?
Why are there so few male sex workers in general?
I’d wager it’s because most sex work consumers are probably cishet males seeking women.
sounds like we found our answer!













